Whatever happened to Andrew Sanders?

RRTAA!

Andrew Sanders is an odd fellow.

In December 2005, Andrew came to the attention of anti-racist activists, and subsequently state authorities, after authoring a website titled Fightback. (Funnily enough, that site is now home to a Trotskyist groupuscule.) The site gave detailed instructions on how to prepare for the second Cronulla civil uprising — one scheduled, in the minds of the perhaps few dozen phantasists who masturbated online over its commencement, for the following weekend. Arrested by police / ZOG agents in the days following the Cronulla pogrom / civil uprising, Andrew was charged with a number of offences. Trial commenced in October 2006, and Andrew was eventually exonerated.

As a white supremacist, Sanders had form, joining the Stormfront site in October 2003 as ‘blue-eyed-devil’ and again in May 2004, when he employed the pseudonym ‘blue8eyed8devil’. (For those of you joining us late, the number ’8′ is used by white supremacists to represent ‘H’, the eighth letter of the alphabet. ’88′ is ‘HH’, where ‘HH’ = ‘Heil Hitler’.) The main point of agreement uniting the various racist and fascist crackpots on SF is their hatred of Jews — a message to be “forged in titanium” according to the Amerikkkans who administer the site — and Sanders was no exception:

At risk of getting flamed and offending people, I must say, very few White Nationalists I know would be moved by the American dead during this farcical ‘war on terror’ as we all see them as futile masses working for ZOG. Whilst there is some innocence in ignorance, following their Zionist overlords without question to their death is their own choice.

They did not die for us, they did not die for the White Cause, they died for greater Israel. I can not mourn their deaths or I will be, as most judaeic [sic] brainwashed folk, a hypocrit [sic] blinded by hollywood inspired patriotism. ~ January 30, 2005

And just in case anybody missed it the first time around:

The jewish power base is in America like a cancer, I do not think in my lifetime or as long as my Race exists we will see a White America. ~ February 1, 2005

At one point, Sanders even expressed interest in attending a meeting of ‘Klub Naziya’, arranged by Australia’s Most Loved Neo-Nazi, Dävid Palmer. As for his website, posing as an interested — to be precise: enraptured — third party, Sanders had this to say (prior to his arrest):

A fantastic organisation has been setup for this express purpose, a combination of various groups I believe, they can be found at [Fightback] … they featured on the front page of the news papers today, I recommend you read through their guerilla handbook of this Sunday[']s protests, some awesome -awesome- ideas there.

We need to stand united this Sunday, every one of you needs to attend, no excuses should be made as no excuses will be tolerated when the stormfront breaks.

So one day when your kids ask “Where were you when the revolution started daddy?” you can reply, “In the vanguard.” ~ December 17, 2005

Eerily prophetic words, as just a few days later Sanders was indeed in the vanguard: the police vanguard.

“STALIN IS COOL HAHAHA I R B JEWISH FJEER MEH!”

Prior to his Cronulla-inspired shenanigans, Sanders spent some time on Stormfront outlining his views.

My biggest problem with most self declared White Nationalists is the fact they have bollocks like mice attached to them. Most will not stand up in public because that would be suicide, but alot [sic] draw the line when in a semi-closed group also.

Your problem from this post and from your other post really sounds as though it could be resolved if you were to network and get together a select group of friends. I don’t mean start a cult or group of psychotic whites spouting hail [sic] hitler at every given opportunity as that severely ruins our image.

Just a clean cut group of White youths who influence the world around them to match their political views and agendas.

Remember, to all those reading this post, you don’t see Jews marching through Time Square screaming “STALIN IS COOL HAHAHA I R B JEWISH FJEER MEH!”. Neither should we. ~ May 15, 2004

Sanders is a few stubbies short of a six-pack, obviously, but the above does conform to his subsequent behaviour, not only with regards Fightback, but also the Tunnel Rats and most recently ‘The Law Society of the University of Western Sydney’.

There are many great ideas in this thread, there are some which would be twisted into our backs as knives too. The ultimate fact is, we cannot change the world. The jews have spent the last three thousands [sic] years infiltrating us, they have spent since the begining [sic] of the presses taking control of them and other niche industries (gold, diamonds, power in general).

What you men and I do in our lifetimes will never counter that, at risk of a reich to match the past reichs, a revolution. Revolutions however are not easy wins, and once you lose you can expect your countries and people to be opressed [sic] with severe dogma from the still controlled media.

The only solution is to inhabit someplace [sic] small and logistically sound (like Tasmania), begin swinging votes by making circumcision illegal (bam, there goes the jewish population), which isn’t a hard thing as most parents and doctors refuse to do it anymore as mutilating one’s children serves no purpose. It’s 2005, we can all wash our genitals quite well now.

Secondly you make kosher and hallal [sic] slaughter and meat illegal due to the fact it is cruel to animals. Already we’ve got the majority of voters on side as these are concientious [sic] moral issues most people agree with. You could even go as far as swinging with the advanced scientific beliefs of the third reich of a vegetarian state, which was a very strong idea put forth by Mr H…

[Sanders then proceeds to expound on The Wonders of Tasmania.]

Once the three legislative changes above have been made you will have a relatively core group of society remaining. A coup d’etat wouldn’t be neccesary, with 10,000 people alone assisting the masses in accepting our idea the social economic change itself would be like starting a boulder rolling down a hill to freedom. ~ February 2, 2005

Uh-huh. To create the perfect White Nation, just follow this simple recipe:

1) Move to Tasmania.
2) With 10,000 others, assist the masses in understanding and accepting the White Nationalist cause.
3) Take over the Government.
4) Introduce legislation outlawing male circumcision, kosher and halal butchering.
5) Watch the boulder rolling down the hill to freedom.

And voilà!

Coincidentally, when Sanders received bail, one of the conditions for his release was that his mother keep him on a very short leash while in public.

But hey, Andrew, what about Jude? As it happens, in his first post on SF, Sanders made available to the melanin-deficient world a mighty -mighty- manifesto. After advising against the use of the term ‘Jewnited States of America’, Andrew writes:

The Jude organises himself through his church, through his social gatherings. Whilst their churches are unlike ours, they discuss matters directly affecting their people.

We on the other hand, as white nationalists, the men and women in the vanguard of our race, rattle chains, and throw stones at Israeli tanks, al [sic] la Palestinians.

This is NOT the way to win a war.

The implications in the post about the ADL that it was from a ‘goyyim’ [sic] defeated the purpose of the post and will bring their attention to the frame-up and is contra our efforts.

I live in Sydney, Australia. We too are infested with yids in power who are inbreeding our civilisation with asians and arabs in an attempt to water out our blood and prevent us from rising against tyranny.

Flyers are relatively pointless as they are merely white nationalists rattling chains and whinging. They will not help us.

The end game is approaching rapidly, coming closer every year, yet we let ourselves fall into this decay and disrepair as a species, and I’m sure that our overseers are quite pleased with this.

YOU MUST MAKE A CHOICE: — As a white nationalist you have two choices, you can either organise and strike clandestinely, or you can follow the path of destruction that many do, scream the odd ‘fsck the system’, rattle chains, and throw stones at tanks.

Our weakness is our lack of central communication, our lack of recruiting tactics, our lack of organisation and working as a team. We are seperated [sic]. Divided we are bound to fall.

We need SOLIDARITY, we need UNITY, we need each other.

What I ask of you men and women is that you simply think to yourselves for a moment, who do you know around you who shares your ideals? Your views? Your beliefs? Are they awakened to the cause that you are persuing [sic]? And if so, why aren’t you discussing or organising things with them specifically?

If you attend a church, is it one with a pulpit prostitute in the position of attention, or are they perhaps sympathisers to our cause?

If you attend a social group of any kind, do you know people there who are fed up with the persecution of our fellow men?

Why are you not contacting these people? Just a simple tap on the elbow, a wink, and a “I know how you feel.” will mean the world to most of us at any given time, to know there is that circle of brotherhood, or support amongst our own kind.

Whilst the governments of the world supress us, the ever present undereducated white nationalist (aka, red neck, skin head, what not) who are primarily our foot soldiers are defeating our entire purpose. What point is infantry when your officers are too busy sitting on their arses in an office killing time waiting for their next pay cheque?

We are too comfortable, and in comfort one finds laziness and lack of motivation. Because we are not directly being hurt, more often than not alot [sic] of us don’t SEE, don’t FEEL the damage that is being done to us.

I would like to make a motion, provided the administrators of this board are willing to allow it, that we organise a segment of this forum specifically to orchestrate communications between white nationalists. Whilst it is difficult to avoid detection of governmental bodies who will use the guise of us being ‘racists’ and ‘terrorists’ and attempt to track us down and find our dossiers, it is the only thing we have left.

I recommend that you do go to work and speak to fellow sympathisers for our cause, I suggest at church or at your social groups you speak to the leaders who have similar views and see how you can affect the thought pattern of millions of warriors amongst us who have yet to open their eyes to the truth.

Awaken those around you. If only 5,000 of us across the world were to speak with one person per day and let them KNOW that we are here, that it is okay to speak freely, and that we need to organise, in a week alone we would have 160,000 in one WEEK who are rallying to our cause.

We MUST unite, or we must accept our fate and fade away under the boot of the Jude. The choice, my brothers and sisters, is up to you. Do you want to be a part of the problem, or a part of the solution?

On reading this post, if you haven’t yet thought of one person you can speak with, I suggest you move to another country. I welcome you to come to Australia, and will give you any assistance you need, god only knows we need the numbers here.

Once you have your small networth [sic] of brethren together, register a hotmail account or another pseudo-anonymous web based email account and contact me via: -

blue8eyed8devil@hotmail.com

Under the proviso we can get a working network of activists together I welcome the communication and will quite glady [sic] assist in orchestrating movements that will assist our cause.

If you are unable to get a single person on side with you, or do the little required to create some unity amongst us, then you may as well forget calling yourself a white nationalist and accept your fate under the boot of the Zionist occupational government of choice in the area you live.

Yours in brotherhood,

The Blue Eyed Devil. ~ October 27, 2003

A subsequent posting (October 30, 2003) from The Blue Eyed Tasmanian Devil (“Heil Hitler!”) reports progress on the above, and expresses his hope that “we can open up an entire new realm and hopefully manage to bring alot [sic] of groups that really damage our image into the frame with more avante gard [sic] WN cells”.

Almost five years later, it doesn’t appear that Sanders has given up on his efforts to confront The Yids in Power. Carefully avoiding the potentially damaging sight of Nazi uniform fetishists, and substituting this image for one of “a clean cut group of White youths who influence the world around them to match their political views and agendas” has taken a rather peculiar turn, however, with his establishment of something calling itself ‘The Law Society of the University of Western Sydney’.

So, what’s ‘The Law Society of the University of Western Sydney’? Apart from a figment of Sander’s imagination, the Society has a website; funnily enough, a Google search for it — lawsociety.org.au — results in not only a link to the Society but Andrew’s previous club, The Tunnel Rats. In any case, according to Andrew:

The Law Society of the University of Western Sydney was constituted on the 11th of September, 2007 at the Marsden Building (EZ) of Rydalmere campus. Operating across all campuses it’s main location of commencement, Rydalmere, draws upon a history dating back to the first settlement of the Rose Hill region by colonial British settlers on land once owned by the Darug nation.

From these eclectic roots the Law Society has taken into account its social responsibilities to the prestige of its forbearers [sic] and has sought to provide niche assistance in an area where a void has formed in relation to procedural aid, advocacy and assistance to those unable to obtain legal assistance through other means.

Building strong ties and relationships with the NSW Law Society, the Young Lawyers Association and Blacktown and Parramatta councils, the Law Society of the University of Western Sydney commenced an immediate rollout servicing all UWS campuses and communities nearby.

The Society began as a small project, when the current president who had been working and studying at the University of Western Sydney since 1999 found himself in a position where he was helping many students, staff and other community members with often minor procedural matters and directing them to already available resources that the general populace may not know is in place. In late 2005 due to an inability to assist all of the people seeking assistance he turned to the University to examine the apparatus in place to provide support in these regards…

That final sentence is a superb turn of phrase by Sanders: late 2005 being, of course, the beginnings of his troubles with ZOG.

The rest is simply badly-worded phantasy.

And who knows what other monkey business Andrew has been up to?

About @ndy

I live in Melbourne, Australia. I like anarchy. I don't like nazis. I enjoy eating pizza and drinking beer. I barrack for the greatest football team on Earth: Collingwood Magpies. The 2014 premiership's a cakewalk for the good old Collingwood.
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149 Responses to Whatever happened to Andrew Sanders?

  1. L says:

    Darp, I cannot comment as to the truth of that as I am not involved in legal studies. However, the source who gave you those emails threatened many people. As you may or may not know, in the fight against Scientology it is a struggle to stay Anonymous. To be named and documented as a member puts you in extreme danger. Especially if they see you as a threat to their carefully constructed PR web.

    Andrew’s heart was in the right place and the best course of action so far would have been to contact him and request that he stop doing what he was doing. A public post dishing up often half a decades late dirt is nothing but crass. He is neither attempting to lead Anonymous nor is he threatening the life of another.

    He was simply trying to protect a scared female. He’s guilty only of White Knighting for someone who should have ignored an internet creep who threatened her via email and hunted her personal information via the internet. Not unlike what has been done here.

    Please feel free to contact me if you’d like to discuss this neutrally. I promise to keep the F bomb to a minimum.

  2. Darp Hau says:

    Doesn’t anyone find it ironic than Sanders’ tactics re his wanky legal letters are precisely those employed by the CoS?

    Again, irrespective of the nature of the sesame street ‘threat’ and that of the person confronting Anon – to email someone with a bunch of legal gobbledeegook (which is what it was) in the attempt to spook them into not pursuing the matter is precisely the sort of shit that the Scientologists do!

    I despise the CoS. I despise their legal-bullying methods.

  3. nicki says:

    this has turned into outright ad hominem, im still lurking n kinda keen but sounds like theres a few fanatics here just out to scalp ppl.

    darp, ur retired supreme court judge friend should know its not perverting the course of justice until criminal charges have been filed to contact a person, theres nothing about pretending to be a solicitor, but the pain still stands. just re read the emails again and i dunno what ur reading but its not what was distributed and signed off on maybe ur scientologist office of special affairs guy has changed stuff in your copies?

    we’ll see if theres any charges though, kinda curious coz its a common threat the law soc gets from ppl who are doing bad stuff rather than apologising and admitting stalkin ppl and being nutso is wrong, the matters being handed over to the federal police (only because the clams in canberra) itll be interesting to see how it pans out.

    i dunno im startin to swing towards defending him on this one, reading the emails impartially i dont see anything wrng, nothing even heavy handed, just normal dry objective law babble, but that paul summers guy seems to have taken everything out of context where available.

    i think im gonna stop replying right about now tho, velvet was right, a lot of this shit is pushin defamation and i dont want to be pwned with guilt by association. not to mention a heap of copyright stuffs been posted, even by our lss vice pres darp hau who should know better. lol n a brief dig into his few posts on machine gun keyboard pretty much show hes copped guilt by association from u guys n darp already claimed i was him so who knows now im gonna be painted a nazi too lol crazy stuff im takin a step back this aint right :)

  4. Don "Duck" Oorst says:

    why are you guys ranting about scientologists for? They have nothing to do with this story, or is it just that wingnut crazies attract wingnut crazies?

  5. Don "Duck" Oorst says:

    Actually, the more I read this the more surreal it gets.

    Fucking hell, Scientology 4chan neo-Nazis student politics all blend in together for a perfect storm of clusterfuck.

    I need to take up drinking again.

  6. Darp Hau says:

    Well …like I said, anything re crim charges would still be up in the air.

    What is clear cut is that upon reading the emails is that Sanders tries to pass off his Law Soc thingie (of which I’m still yet to be convinced actually exists beyond a handful of members) has having official weight with the School of Law and UWS. Note his signature and note his request for all documentation to be sent to him via School of Law.

    Also note this bit.

    You may also not email this person, as they do not wish to receive further email from you. If this continues, legal remedy will be sought and I will subpoena your home address from your IP address as listed on the site and service of documents will take place within 24 hours of you breaching this notice of restrain to enforce a legal restraint upon you.

    Seeking legal remedies? Enforcing legal restraint? Taking out a subpoena?

    That is all language which is intended to impliedly communicate to the receiver that they are dealing with a practising solicitor. Had Sanders written “I will instruct my counsel to take out a subpoena etc”, then it would be fine. Here it appears he is passing himself off and ACTING as a practising solicitor. You can surely see the spook factor? There is a whole world of difference between receiving a letter from someone saying “I will instruct my solicitors” and receiving something from someone purporting to be the solicitor themselves. I would say that this is a breach of s 14 of the LPA unless the UWS Law Soc can be shown to comply with s 240(1)(c) LPA, that being that the UWS Law Soc gainfully EMPLOY at least one qualified solicitor. Even then I still think Sanders is on very thin ice.

    Disregarding for a minute the fact that seeking a persons home address via their IP number usually requires going through the Telco Industry Ombudsman, the cops, a godawful FOI redtape nightmare etc.

  7. weez says:

    i dont see anything wrng, nothing even heavy handed, just normal dry objective law babble

    From a guy who isn’t a lawyer, who represents himself to be one and has unilaterally set up a ‘law society’ because it suits his aim of deceit.

    i think im gonna stop replying right about now tho, velvet was right, a lot of this shit is pushin defamation and i dont want to be pwned with guilt by association.

    Your pseudonym will be rather hard to serve with a writ.

    a brief dig into his few posts on machine gun keyboard pretty much show hes copped guilt by association from u guys n darp already claimed i was him so who knows now im gonna be painted a nazi too

    If you want to be painted a nazi by FDB the first thing you have to do is be a racist and the second is that you have to want to insinuate discrimination into a political or legal system. Lest we forget, Mr Andrew ‘blue8eyed8devil’ (88=HH=Heil Hitler) wants to take over Tasmania for the white race. Plenty for me.

    I could not possibly care less about CoS (or any other litany of faerie tales for that matter). My point through this trip is that Sanders was a scammer in 2005- and he’s still scamming.

  8. Darrin Hodges says:

    Once again Henderson and his [sexy] FDB! toadies have been caught out randomly attacking somebody on some flimsy pretext. This looks like just another “thrill kill” for Henderson, who apparently enjoys ruining other people’s lives because he doesn’t like their political views.

    Henderson also seems to think that collective punishment is just. He did try hard to have me put out of employment, basically he wanted to punish my family by removing their sole means of income – because he happened to disagree with my political views (at the time). Well I’m afraid it’s not up to you Henderson, it’s up to the Australian electorate.

    The real question is Mathew [one 't' Darrin!]: How do you sleep at night? Let me answer for you, being the amoral creature that you are, you probably sleep just fine.

  9. OH HAI says:

    andrew seems to have gotten involved at the point where he was dropping legal threats against a group of females, and yes this guy seems to target young females only, claiming they assaulted him by:-

    Andrew actually got involved when a certain person went crying to him about the possibility of being charged with making threats. Andrew thought he could intimidate people with his BS claims. I am sure he didn’t set this “tangled web” of lies and corruption up just for one person either. This little game has been obviously going on for some time, masquerading as a lawyer when he is not one. Intimidating people with his fraud.

    It’s really sad and pathetic to hear you errr females use bullshit tactics like… he wants the gal’s address for personal reason. Give me a break! This is so freaking typical.

    The name Andrew Sanders was unknown until he started sending these fraudulent emails.

    just re read the emails again and i dunno what ur reading but its not what was distributed and signed off on maybe ur scientologist office of special affairs guy has changed stuff in your copies?

    And this statement shows exactly how much YOU know about the law. Silly silly girl!

  10. Darp Hau says:

    In case you’re wondering who Darrin Hodges is:

    (far left of shot)

    http://www.fightdemback.org/files/infidel2.jpg

    http://www.fightdemback.org/2005/12/19/who-is-who-in-the-nazi-zoo/#more-333

    From the Tele:

    One active local member, who goes by the moniker “Proud to be an Infidel”, has been a regular contributor to international white supremacist organisation Stormfront.

    Via a series of electronic footprints, anti-Nazi campaigner Mat Henderson-Hau has linked “Infidel” to Engadine local Darrin Hodges.

    Hodges, who runs a website for a sex toy distributor, yesterday admitted to being a member of the racist Australia First Party but denied being a member of any white nationalist groups or a contributor to Stormfront.

    His alleged alter ego is not so shy.

    “Friends, today was an historic day, the day Australians stood up against state-imposed multiculturalism,” he wrote on the night of the Cronulla riots.

    Accompanying his posting is a series of photographs he took at Cronulla that day, including one of a T-shirt emblazoned with the words “wog free zone” and another of a sign offering free sausages to the crowd, with “no tabouli”.

    Infidel also speaks of footage he filmed on the day which Henderson-Hau believes was used in a video released over the weekend that glorifies a mob of rioters bashing various non-whites at Cronulla.

    Posted on Saturday, it had been downloaded around 400 times by yesterday afternoon.

  11. Darp Hau says:

    Btw Darrin. Look at what this bloke did. He sent some very clumsy emails from his uni account. The people receiving them reported them to the uni and the cops. Now he is in the shit. It’s all his doing buddy. Btw still looking out your window for Stug & Kromlek coming to wreak their manly Aryan vengeance upon you?

  12. Pure Profit says:

    Im the guy sanders emailed, and until that time i had never heard of him.
    his emails have been passed on, and are original in every way. they have not been altered.
    the suggestion i was tryng to get young girls addresses is as laughable as it is pathetic. im 42 years old and have been married 23 years, i wake up every morning incrementally happier with my soul mate and our life together every single morning.
    i have no interest in anyone other than my wife, and the suggestion i would be “chasing” after girls whose faces ive never even seen is just pathetic.

    what i did say, was that the person who posted the bomb threat would be subject to a PVO/AVO if the threats continued. to which andrew then starts mailing me threatening “costs” and other litigation if carried out my threat to take the matter to police and seek an apprehended violence order on the person who made the threats.
    her age and sex had nothing to do with it.

    the fact is that while certain ppl have posted here that sanders has been open and honest with them, this does not fit the facts as i see them, he has dishonestly told the sydanon he is a practising lawyer, and has made no public statements regarding his past activities. he has been nothing but dishonest, in both his dealings with me, in the sydanon forums.

    i knew nothing about this idiot until he started sending us threats of legal action and costs, but on seeing his past form and comparing it to current behaviour its obvious to me, he is the same dishonest power mad imbecile hes always been.

  13. Darp Hau says:

    L,

    Missed your post above. Shoot me a line at fightdemback@gmail.com

  14. Darrin Hodges says:

    If Sanders did something stupid that requires the attention of the police and/or the uni administration, then it is his own fault. I’m sure they can investigate without your ‘help’ and if it does become a legal matter I can’t see how the likes of you spreading rumours and conjecture on the Internet would be helpful.

    I don’t have to worry about Stug and Kromlek’s manly Aryan revenge because they probably think they’ll catch ‘Zionist germs’ off me or something. That is, when they’re not accusing me of being a Jew, a Nazi or a Christian Zionist depending on which medication they are on that day.

  15. VelvetRabbit says:

    he has dishonestly told the sydanon he is a practising lawyer, and has made no public statements regarding his past activities. he has been nothing but dishonest, in both his dealings with me, in the sydanon forums.

    MOAR LIES.

    Show me an Anon who has made their past activities known to others?
    That’s the whole point of being ANONYMOUS.
    He has NEVER said to ANYONE that he is a practising solicitor, and if you believe such, kindly provide proof?
    He has not been dishonest and he has answered everything that has been asked of him.

    Oh and the bullshit “my wife” crap, you’ve only made mention of this dubious and supposed wife when it was made clear to the mass exactly what your intentions are/were/have been/ would like to do.

    he is the same dishonest power mad imbecile hes always been. -

    Yet you claim you knew nothing of him?
    How does that work again? And you’ve met him spoken with him, discussed things with him?

    You’re as a big of a bullshit artist as they come.

    You stormed onto SydAnon forums ranting and raving over something that occurred entirely on another forum and was enraged when nobody cared. So you decided upon yourself to make a mountain of a molehill and frankly, just pissed off a lot of people.

    Nobody has threatened you and the fact that you have made such a drama about all of this and repeatedly sending your backhanded antics and ravings/postings/soapboxing to other Anonymous members is even more pathetic. Do you receive some sort of gratification out of attempting to bring up things years past? Does it give you your kicks to attempt to destroy his credibility as a member of Anonymous?
    Let me tell you, you’re a failure.

    What you have said in other forums, is defamation and pathetic.
    You claim you’re a mature aged person, yet you act like a crying schoolgirl.

  16. nicki says:

    the part that interested me the most was where paul summers informed sanders that he is being offered assistance from the church of scientology and that hes going to use them to take out every anon he can not to mention the fact hes already said hes passing all sensitive information hes gotten onto them for fair gaming, although retrospectively it really seems like this forum is ‘fair gaming’ sanders and other people too, really makes me question the legitimacy of ppl and whether assuming good faith is the way to go online anymore

    its also interesting that in all the quotes of sanders’ doccos n shit that everything is quoted except the copyrights including the email footer theres the autosig we all get from the webmail server except its been stripped off the part that says:

    This email, and any attachments, is intended only to be read or used by the addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. You may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person) you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. All representations made in this email are those of the sender, they are not intended to reflect the views or opinions of the University of Western Sydney in any way.

    this part is suffixed onto all scholar webmail accounts and appears in all correspondence that was handed out to law soc members for transperency, this is the same footer we’ve all had since.. shit since the mail.uws.edu.au did students n staff on the same mail server so at least 2006-07

    im starting to be very very skeptical of these allegations, whats more its interesting what a brief google of mathew henderson-hau reveals :/

  17. @ndy says:

    nicki:

    You’ve been skeptical from the beginning. Inre Andrew’s postings on SF, you wrote, in your very first comment:

    “lots of juicy stuff here, but how do you know the accounts are all the same person? u guys admins on it and its a honeypot for whackos?”

    You subsequently claimed:

    “the law society at uws has like 120 members across all campuses if its imaginary then its a shared delusion.”

    darp expressed skepticism. He also wrote:

    “We have a known ‘pres’ but the constitution says there is an exec as well. So who are they? Are they aware what the pres has been doing to this ‘group’?”

    There’s no trace that I can find of an executive. Further, darp writes:

    “One more …the ‘Law Society’ has a facebook group consisting of five members and it was started by Robert Roach. Now …to the best of my knowledge. Roachie doesn’t attend UWS, nor does he study Law.”

    Given that Sanders has a demonstrated history of bullshitting online, I think you should take your bullshit detector in for repairs.

    “Tunnel Rats”.

  18. weez says:

    nicki, DO be skeptical. Go on, attack Mat. Anything to distract from the matter that Andrew Scott Sanders frauded up a law society and called himself the president, solely to heavy some people.

    An autoappended confidentiality notice has all the binding force of olive oil and is rather a waste of the electrons used to generate it.

  19. L says:

    Paul Summers in an email.

    “do it again and you and i go to full scale thermo nuclear war mode. as as you know i am ruthless and dont take prisoners”

    Would you feel safe after receiving that?

  20. VelvetRabbit says:

    L -

    Thank you for demonstrating what this person is like.

  21. Darp Hau says:

    An autoappended confidentiality notice has all the binding force of olive oil and is rather a waste of the electrons used to generate it.

    True that.

    As the founder of an organisation which targets neo-Nazis and White Supremacists, there is bound to be infinite amount of psychobabble out there courtesy of the Hitler worshiping wackos of this world.

    Re that Tunnel Rats link which takes you to the LS UWS …I mean …there is nothing on that page besides auto-generated text. You claim “close ties” with the clcs (Combined Community Legal Centres Group) yet the LS UWS does not appear on their website:

    http://www.nswclc.org.au/clcs.html

    You claim close ties with the Law Society of NSW. I believe that someone else has already rung them asking about both Andrew Sanders and the LS UWS and they knew nothing of the latter and explained that the former was not admitted as a practising solicitor.

    So much for close ties.

    I’ll be sure to double-check with the Law Soc of NSW tomorrow.

  22. nicki says:

    weez, im not attacking mat sorry u see it that way, at first this shit looked too good to be true then it went weird and yeah… its just too bs imo

  23. Lumpen says:

    Nicki, L, Velvet Rabbit, et al:

    Show me an Anon who has made their past activities known to others?
    That’s the whole point of being ANONYMOUS.

    Uh, VelvetRabbit, I can show you someone who is trying to pass themselves off as the secret leader of Anon with his 6 charisma and elf-solicitor avatar. Think about it. We’re talking about them right now. Their level of fail is so legendary, newspapers have written stories. He’s such a badass neo-nazi that a judge had no choice but to put his mum between him and the rest of society.

    Quoting Nicki:
    the part that interested me the most was where paul summers informed sanders that he is being offered assistance from the church of scientology and that hes going to use them to take out every anon he can…

    I’m going to hazard a guess and say that Sanders was the only witness to this. This is the same Sanders that claims to be a a) lawyer, b) neo-nazi, c) child prodigy, d) poet, e) renowned artist, f) reformed, g) whitehat hacker, and g) dresses like he just entered the Matrix.

    Even if there was evidence to the contrary, I can think of nothing funnier than your lot being caught by CoS and having your lives ruined and I applaud anyone who can successfully counter-raid you (so long as they take screen caps for the benefit of the rest of us). This Paul Summers guy needs encouragement in that case, not condemnations.

    Velvet Rabbit asked:
    Yet you claim you knew nothing of him?
    How does that work again? And you’ve met him spoken with him, discussed things with him?

    Pure Profit clearly said:

    …but on seeing his past form and comparing it to current behaviour its obvious to me, he is the same dishonest power mad imbecile hes always been.

    That’s how it works. Amazing.

    And look at what happens when you bunch of fucking idiots try to transport chan memes to other places. I’m sure your oh-so-secret language reinforces the social bonds you think you might have with each other (bonds that can be simulated by any moron that can look up Encyclopedia Dramatica, by the way), but it isn’t really a substitute for argument. “Oh he posted a meme. They should have known.”

    Stick to standing out the front CoS headquarters in your furry suit, holding up pictures of long cat while dancing to Rick Astley and pretending to be friends with other internet enthusiasts. Your defense of someone like Sanders, whose self-destruction can serve to entertain the rest of us, says more than you ever can.

    @ndy, Darp: please continue. I am pleased with how this is all going.

  24. Darp Hau says:

    I’ve said all I wanna say.

    I support anyone who gives shit to the CoS.

    IF Sanders has dropped the race-hate shit, more power to him. Unfortunately for him, he overstretched himself and his bluff was called. He may well have had good intentions as L suggests even if his methods are, shall we say, completely batshit.

    He’ll just have to wait it out and see which way the uni and the fuzz deal with him.

  25. Well, looks like Henderson has cut his [sexy] nose off to spite his [sexy] face, what a [sexy] turkey.

  26. Darp Hau says:

    How so? Fuck you’re a spaz Hodges.

  27. weez says:

    Dazza, seeing as how your job involves sale of gay porn, I can see as how you think Mat’s [sexy].

    Spaz‘ was pretty generous.

  28. Spazmo says:

    I’m assuming whoever this is;-
    http://forum.asyd.org/viewtopic.php?id=207
    is a lawyer (Well he says he is a ‘professional’ and he’s giving advice so…)

    Maybe “Captain Moonlite” should of written the letter instead of Andrew, and it wouldn’t of hit this sillyness.

  29. Pure Profit says:

    “Unfortunately for me, half of my usable brain that could store wonderful sexual encounters, or fun exciting things, has been re-written with state and commonwealth legislation due to my profession.”

    http://forum.asyd.org/viewtopic.php?id=207

    another member of his little gang also posted “hes a lawyer, douche” when someone called him on his legalese.

    there can be no doubt about his dishonesty at the asyd forums.

    what i dont see there is a post by him explaining his past activities and nazi sentiments, and that hes now an “honest” bloke.

    oh hes also a journalist too.

    “Whilst videographing at my first SydAnon protest, as an impartial journalist.”

    http://forum.asyd.org/viewtopic.php?id=232

    he has posted lie after lie, but nowhere has he been “honest” about his past.

    as for the emails being doctored… the UWS has access to ALL his emails, and they will deal with him based on those. as will police…

  30. Pure Profit says:

    Red wrote:
    Moonlite isn’t a spai, douche. He’s a lawyer.

    http://forum.asyd.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4738#p4738

    and from a PM sent by a sydanon

    “Ok, fine, I apologise. We were all under the belief he was a practicing lawyer.”

    and from another anon

    “He (sanders) did make a comment the other night about knowing where 90% of anons live and this is why they should trust him…”

    his cheer squad, bleat “hes been open and honest” about his past, but thats not backed up by the reality.

    the reality is hes lied to anon about being a lawyer too

    while at the same time doesnt mention his neo nazi leanings.

    open and honest? yeah right, and bomb threats dont scare the targets either…

  31. Darrin Hodges says:

    The reality is Henderson is that you are neither interested in politics nor race relations per se. For you they are merely vehicles of self-aggrandizement, this [is] why you have chosen the most politically and socially disenfranchised people you could find to “fightback” against, being the so called “Nazis and white supremacists”. In a world where Political Correctness is the prevailing orthodoxy, having on your “CV” that [you're] a “Nazi hunter” is worth something. For you, it’s a way of advancing your career prospects. This is evident in the way you have blundered into this Sanders affair like a bull in a China shop. It[']s also evident in the way you continually harass idiots like Weerheym in the same way a sociopath would continue to torture small animals.

    So, have you trashed any hotel rooms lately [sexy]?

  32. nicki says:

    Quoting Nicki:
    the part that interested me the most was where paul summers informed sanders that he is being offered assistance from the church of scientology and that hes going to use them to take out every anon he can…

    ^– generally posting that in a forum with a userbase of 9000 members would do that, yknow? welcome back to reality lumpen.

  33. Misshell says:

    You know, this anonymous thing is childs play compared to what FDB are doing. FDB is a much larger cause to get behind. I have to say, everything happens for a reason and I am thrilled to learn that places like FDB exist.

    Good on you guys.

  34. L says:

    Lumpen, that is your opinion. Anonymous are having an effect. Otherwise the CoS wouldn’t be risking massive fines parking trucks in front of their HQ in no parking zones every protest. They wouldn’t be handing out Black PR flyers throughout the streets.

    They wouldn’t be sending their people out to try and infiltrate Anonymous, badly.

    I understand you dislike Sanders, but please. Be informed before you begin slinging shit and claiming we’re all furries or channers.

    Some of us believe in the cause. Some of us have family behind those walls… some of us actually give a shit.

    Thank you.

    -L

  35. VelvetRabbit says:

    Paul Summers –

    Never has he mentioned himself or occasioned himself to state “I am a Solicitor” you fucking retard.
    The bomb threat has already been proven to be a meme, you obviously are ridiculous. Your constant harassment and trolling of the Anonymous forums is pathetic.
    You won’t win this crusade, oh and ACTUALLY THREATENING to and I quote “hand and see that your sensitive details and information will be passed onto the CoS” is classified as an actual threat and if anyone actually took you seriously, they would have done something by now.
    Quit making up lies and stirring up history and bullshit. Your opinion is of no value, in short, GTFO.

  36. Darrin Hodges says:

    “‘Spaz‘ was pretty generous.”

    Whatever Bwian, you’re an even [sexier] turkey than Henderson, if such a thing is possible. Are you still stumping around your hovel thinking up ways to ‘get me’ Bwian?

  37. Misshell says:

    ^– generally posting that in a forum with a userbase of 9000 members would do that, yknow? welcome back to reality lumpen.

    Sooo where exactly is this post?

    WTF! 9000 members? Wow you have a vivid imagination.

    [PS. Use < blockquote > < / blockquote >]

  38. Pure Profit says:

    not being the actual target of the “bomb threat” velvet its really not for you to judge the threat level. you can put whatever spin you like on the matter, call it a meme, call it what you like.
    the fact is the person who posted the bomb threat had a history of threatening other members of that forum, to the point they posted they would not attend the next protest for fear that this person would get physical. then im subjected to similar threats, culminating in the bomb threat, your defense is akin to saying if someone phones a company and says there is a bomb in the building, then the fact that its only a “scare” and since no actual bomb was planted, there is no offence…

    good luck with that in court…

    i can assure you when i described the post and what was said to the PAL, i was given the anti terror task forces number and told i “must” phone them, that this is and i quote the officer “a police matter now”.

    the Police Assistance Line recorded that conversation, and advised me to make a complaint. This has been done in accordance with Police instructions.

    the matter is out of my hands now.

  39. nicki says:

    i like how he says the undoctored emails are in the hands of the uni and the police… the funny thing is when this flared up apparently the first action the executive took was to pass it on to the uni and police to make sure nothing untoward would come of it. we all have skeletons in our closet and we all use them against each other, and im all for it but i still havent found anything other than some guy who was part of a protest group posted some crap as the only ‘ties’ to neo-nazism for sanders. if anyone has anything of him stating his political beliefs im more than interested. i wrote to the douches who run that stormfront website and the only name they could pull for both accounts listed as his was someone named brian. so this entire debacle hangs on the fact that in 2006 weezil as he was known back then swore black and blue that brian is andrew and not an actual person… dunno guys i dun think its time to get the pyre lit while arguing monty pythons witch skit as proof, u put the turnip on his nose and dressed him like that from everything ive read so far

  40. Darp Hau says:

    Nicki, do you still maintain that the LS UWS has ‘close ties’ with the CLCS and the Law Society of NSW?

  41. @ndy says:

    Darp: the close ties were established when the 120 members of the Society attended the last AGM of both the CLCS and the Law Society of NSW. (Of course, the Executive were the most vocal.)

    nicki: “Dan Quayle” is, I believe, one of Andrew Sanders’ numerous online pseudonyms.

  42. Darp Hau says:

    i still havent found anything other than some guy who was part of a protest group posted some crap as the only ‘ties’ to neo-nazism for sanders.

    Yes, it’s uni holidays and I do have time on my hands but there are other things I’d rather being doing AND of course I said I’d leave this thread alone. So please, someone shut-up Nicki the sockpuppet.

    If you go here you will see all of Blue8Eyed8Devil’s Stormfront posts.

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/search.php?searchid=5320379

    This user:

    1. Repeatedly spams links to http://www.fightback.org (the Cronulla riots organising page). That website was registered to an ABN owned by Sander’s deceased father;

    2. Craps on about Freemasonry in favourable terms (as Sanders does);

    3. Claims English and Italian Heritage (as Sanders does);

    4. Signs off some posts as ‘Val’ (as Sanders does);

    5. Craps on about hacking orgs (as Sanders does);

    6. Claims to have been interviewed by ASIO a number of times (as Sanders does regarding said hacking);

    7. Spouts phony legalese and claims to know just about everything on how one should deal with police at protests (as Sanders does);

    8. Has an affection for using CB radios at said protests (as Sanders does);

    9. Supports the monarchy (as Sanders does);

    10. Claims to work ‘in the law’ (as Sanders claims);

    11. Claims to know a lot about cybernetics, SETI and shit (as Sanders claims);

    12. Craps on about survivalist skills, exploring tunnels and hideyholes and the like (as Sanders does);

    13. Wow – we’re entering the realm where direct quotes are worthwhile. Here is an absolute corker! At least, as of 30th January, 2005, Sanders was smart enough NOT to claim to be a laywer – but still, he was all for “helping out people with the law wherever he can” (seem familiar?).

    Just an FYI, I was the first Australian charged with racial vilification based on a website, the charges were placed on me at a federal level. I refused mutliple take down notices on the topic. This was in the early to mid nin[e]ties.

    The result was, I was subpoena’d to court, I represented myself[.] [A] few days arranging court hearings, shuffling location, et cetera drew the initial stages out to about four months, and by the fifth month they dropped the charges.

    I am by no means a lawyer / solicitor, however I would say educating yourself on the law is extremely important to success in any activist role. I present myself impeccably in an expensive suit and always come prepared.

    Image is enough to deter public prosecutors, especially on trivial charges such as this. An A4 manilla folder full of 250 pages of blank A4 pages tied with a red ribbon is enough to scare the bejesus out of half of the DPP. Make them think they have a hard job on their hands and watch them drop charges.

    Worst case scenario, contact me and I’ll assist you as best as I can.

    There is no reason a White man can go down for racial vilification when we are vilified daily in the media.

    14. Bwahahahahahaha!

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=1050943#post1050943

    I grew up on the streets, I learnt to fight on the streets. I took martial arts lessons for a while but couldn’t respect the fact I could knock ten shades of ****e out of the ‘sensai’ [sic]. Not to mention my complete lack of tolerance for the language used and the fact they spend more time teaching pseudo-yoga more [sic] than combat.

    Well, Willmot is a fucking tough area but something tells me Sanders spent most of his youth indoors …or is that growing up in avant-garde parts of Paris and Berlin?

    15. Grew up in the outer western suburbs of Sydney (as Sanders did);

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=1047776#post1047776

    Hey Beau, good to see so many Australian’s [sic] posting on here. I grew up in the outer west of Sydney (probably equivical [sic] to America’s [C]ompton) and was one of six white kids at my high school. We were a nasty ass gang of white nationalists, only [way] to survive in a minority (although in our area it felt like a majority, except the white kids were at public schools and I was at a private school) ruled environment.

    [@ndy : Bwahahahahahaha! Straight Outta Willmot!]

  43. Darp Hau says:

    More quickly on point 1.

    1. Repeatedly spams links to http://www.fightback.org (the Cronulla riots organising page). That website was registered to an ABN owned by Sander’s deceased father.

    And Sanders admitted to setting up fightback.org on Weezil’s blog a while back:

    http://machinegunkeyboard.com/?p=173#comment-19351

  44. Darp Hau says:

    Btw …all that Stormfront crap listed above was not written by a deranged, angst-ridden teenager. Sanders would have been 24-26 when he wrote that shit.

  45. VelvetRabbit says:

    Paul Summers -

    So who exactly did this person threaten?
    How exactly was “grover mails a bomb” perceived as a threat?
    You really are pathetic.
    Oh and the “PAL” you spoke with, more bullshit. What is the supposed Event Number?
    It’s public information and anything further other than the event number cannot be given to the general public. The “lawyer” you supposedly disturbed playing golf? What’s their name?
    Again, if you honestly took that as a bomb threat then you’re a bigger idiot than we all perceive you as.

  46. nicki says:

    i cant find 4, 6, 7, 8, 11. 2 and 3 and 5 arent unique we cant racially profile. 9 is a political view over 51% of people support, can find 10. 13 14 and 15 are also circumstantial at best. id want a more solid argument than that wouldnt even hold up in civil if i called him on it and got taken. moar info pls?

  47. weez says:

    Just an FYI, I was the first Australian charged with racial vilification based on a website, the charges were placed on me at a federal level. I refused mutliple take down notices on the topic. This was in the early to mid nin[e]ties.

    The result was, I was subpoena’d to court, I represented myself

    Sanders was born in 1980. Done for vilification in the mid-90s, hm?

    Why yes- I can see as how a 15 year old, representing himself, appearing in court with a packet of blank papers WOULD scare the crap out of a prosecuting attorney. :roll:

    unfuckingbelievable.

  48. Lumpen says:

    generally posting that in a forum with a userbase of 9000 members would do that, yknow? welcome back to reality lumpen.

    Please tell me you haven’t got that number from the Dragonball Z ’9000′ meme. Speaking of memes, you realise that a picture having a certain significance in an obscure internet forum is not an excuse at all, right? Here’s a meme for you: party van. Bwaa ha ha ha.

  49. Darp Hau says:

    4. Signing off as ‘Val’:

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=2023822#post2023822

    6. On being interviewed by ASIO:

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=1619368#post1619368

    7. Legalese – see what I already quoted above. And…

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=1621235#post1621235

    8. CB Radios:

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=2470178#post2470178

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=2470185#post2470185

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=2449122#post2449122

    11. Cybernetics:

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=1047748#post1047748

    2, 3 and 5 aren’t all that unique in online communities …but how many people do you know possess all three AND all the other attributes listed. The question is: how many young, male, part English-Italian, phony laywers, wannabe hackers who claim to be charged with all sorts of shit and interrogated by ASIO, monarchists, CB radio buffs, cybergenics buffs, tunnel explorers who have access to the ABN number of the deceased Steve Sanders, who sign off as ‘Val’ and live in outer western Sydney are there? Not many. Sanders possesses the aforementioned attributes or has claimed them. Blue8Eyed8Devil has ALSO claimed all of them.

    In terms of burden of proof for court-related stuff: SF is hosted in the US. Seeking IP numbers from them is purportedly impossible without FBI intervention. Then again, if you listen to most SF detractors in the neo-Nazi world they claim the site is a honeypot to extract info from ‘white nationalists’. I know for a fact that a number of ‘mods’ in their European and US forums are undercover anti-racists. Those guys would have access to the IP address of Bluey. Of course, from there under Australian law you would need to go via the cops, the telco industry ombudsman, FOI red-tape hell to uncover the identity of the poster or AT LEAST of the account holder of the person who pays for that ISP connection.

    There nicki.

    Now seeing as I’ve done such a stellar job in giving you ‘moar’ info, how about you answer my one simple question:

    DO YOU STILL MAINTAIN THAT THE LS UWS HAS ‘STRONG TIES’ WITH THE CLCS AND THE LAW SOCIETY OF NSW?

    Yes or no?

  50. Pure Profit says:

    once more for the dummies

    if this guy

    http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,20281,17616445-5001021,00.html

    mailed YOU pretending to be a real lawyer and says…

    “If this continues, legal remedy will be sought and I will subpoena your home address from your IP address as listed on the site and service of documents will take place within 24 hours of you breaching this notice of restraint to enforce a legal restraint upon you.”

    on behalf of red (the f**king muppet) who threatened to mail a bomb… (and other threats including death threats and threats of GBH to whit “f**k your EYES OUT”)

    hypothetically if this was happening to you, would you call the police?

    and ive PMed a number of anon, and to the last person they have said they would

    so i did

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