Blood & Honour 2008 ISD gig : Redhill, Somerset

    Update :

    Neo-Nazi invasion terrifies villagers, Bristol Evening Post, September 25, 2008: A pub near Bristol International Airport is at the centre of a police investigation after 800 people attended an apparently neo-Nazi rally… The weekend event was booked as a ‘scooter rally’ and was fully licensed by North Somerset Council. But what took place was a raucous event to mark the 15th anniversary of the death of Ian Stuart Donaldson, the former frontman of British neo-Nazi skinhead band Skrewdriver… Stephen Makin, a council spokesman, said: “Anne Carter at the pub was the applicant. She applied on September 2 for the event to take place on September 20 from 4pm to midnight. It was issued as we received no objections. We are now investigating after we received five complaints from residents.” The booking was made by record company ISD, which asked to use the field for a scooter and music festival… Pub manager Ian Saunders said: “I had no idea what it was going to turn into when the man rang to book it. We’ve provided a function room for him a couple of times in the past and everything has been fine until now. If I knew that this would happen I would never have allowed it and anything the police want to do we’ll support them in any way we can.” Brewer Wadworth, which owns the pub, said: “The brewery is not aware of any similar problems that have occurred at this site and will be taking action, where appropriate, to ensure that it does not happen again.”

    Village invaded by 800 Nazi thugs, The Sun, John Coles, September 25, 2008: “A VILLAGE expecting a scooter festival found itself invaded by more than 800 Nazi yobs instead. Racist skinheads from across Britain, Germany and Eastern Europe arrived draped in swastika flags. Wearing leather jackets and army boots, they stomped through the streets chanting: “Sieg Heil, Sieg Heil.”

    STAGE BOTTLESDead But Not Forgiven

    Ian couldn’t drive a car
    As we all know
    He trusted too much in all his gods
    And though he was a human being
    We don’t feel any sorrow for him

    Now we got rid of one of those cunts
    He’s been one of our most important enemies
    So we forget our respect for life
    Cause all he did was senseless shit

    […]

    Now we’re here and having our fun
    Having our fun and thinking about him
    He’s been the one who misused the word Skinhead
    He himself was never one – he was a fucking Bonehead

Following the 2008 Ian Stuart Donaldson memorial gig in Beaconsfield (Victoria, Australia) on September 13 comes news of bonehead celebrations in England: The Bungalow Inn, Redhill, to be precise, on September 20. And once again, management — in this case, Anne Carter — has pleaded ignorance regarding the nature of the event. Apparently, nobody saw any swastikas, and everybody thought ‘Seig Heil!’ was German for ‘More Beer!’. Curiously, The Bungalow Inn has been described as a ‘traditional English pub’; presumably, Hitler-worship is a traditional English pastime. Bands scheduled to perform at the miniature Nuremberg rally were Avalon, Blackout, Bulldog Breed, Brutal Attack, Last Chance, Legion of St George, Unit 28, Whitelaw and Woden. And who knows? Maybe even Kill Baby Kill…

Police investigate ‘racist rally’
BBC
September 23, 2008

Allegations of the chanting of racist slogans at a “scooter rally” in North Somerset are to be investigated by Avon and Somerset Police.

A video of the event at the Bungalow Inn, Redhill, on Saturday night shows some people wearing Nazi regalia.

Chants including “seig heil, seig heil” can also be heard later on the tape.

Both the licensee and manager deny seeing any Nazi regalia or hearing racist chanting. Both deny supporting Nazi politics.

‘Good faith’

The police spokesman said that they take any reported hate crime very seriously and would be working with the local authority licensing department about the approval of the event.

The pub said the booking was made in good faith for what they believed to be a scooter rally for 500 people.

It is estimated that more than 800 turned up on Saturday night.

It is believed many people at the event had travelled from Europe. Some had Nazi flags draped over their shoulders and were seen in the video laughing and joking.

A family that lived nearby were so frightened they left their home.

Sarah Gooding said: “My daughter was petrified. We ran into the house and I burst into tears.

“I told my husband ‘I don’t feel safe we’ve got to go’. Our daughters were really really frightened.

Licensee Anne Carter said: “It was something we were totally unaware of and not happy to think it was happening on any part of our premises.

“Anything the police want to do we’ll support them in anyway we can.”

BBC Video

The Bungalow Inn
Winford Lane
Redhill
Bristol, BS40 5TP
01275 474085 // 01275 472386

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78 Responses to Blood & Honour 2008 ISD gig : Redhill, Somerset

  1. Sean Tombs says:

    As a local to the aforementioned venue I can confirm you’d have to be blind, deaf, and stupid not to realize your pub was full of neo-Nazis. I don’t think Wadsworth’s give tenancies to people with those criteria. I even think I know who helped organize this event and let’s just say they live very, very close to the pub and may even be a ‘regular’.

  2. @ndy says:

    G’day Sean,

    Regarding who organised the neo-Nazi knees-up, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if a local was one of the principals. It makes very good sense, after all. As for management’s claims to be innocent… well, it’s possible I suppose. But as they claim to have been present for the event… as you say, they must have been deaf dumb and blind not to realise the political leanings of those other, Hitler-worshiping wankers present. Generally speaking, claiming ignorance is the easiest route… in the short term; that is, when a camera is thrust in your face. And of course, 800 (800?!?) punters represents a shitload of money.

    I think it more likely that the pub owners/management either knew the nature of the event beforehand or, if not, would’ve realised it within the space of a few minutes after the arrival of the first carload of boneheads. Against this — if not already sympathetic to fascism — they would’ve thought of all the $$$ they’d be making, and believed — likely with some form of guarantee from the organisers — that, at the end of their noise-making, goosestepping, and pissing on other people’s property, nobody would be any the wiser.

    Either way, ‘The Bungalow’ has lucked out. Of course, they could issue a statement condemning Benson & Hedges and neo-Nazism, and decide to donate all their takings to some worthy cause.

    Unlikely but.

  3. @ndy says:

    PS.

    Previously on Nazi Street Blues

    Tony Baker, one of the key members (’Exalted Ruler’) of the Sherwood Elks Lodge, apparently posted the following message on Portland IndyMedia, explaining the circumstances surrounding the neo-Nazi booking by the Hammerskins, and, upon the Elks’ discovery of the Hammerskins political status, its eventual cancellation:

      The event was shut down
      October 7, 2007

      As one of the leaders … of the Sherwood Elks Lodge, I wanted to let everyone know that we were duped.

      This group identified themselves as a “rock group reunion of friends” when arranging to use our facility. I can assure everyone that when they arrived, there was no indication who they were… no banners, no literature, no slogans, no out of order clothing, no racist conversations, only music and a gathering… nothing to indicate that this gathering was anything more than a reunion of a rock group. I know it’s hard to believe, but to any of the several dozen members of our organization who were in attendance last night, the gathering looked exactly as stated, a rock group reunion.

      Once we received … indication that the Hammerskin Nation was using our facility, we worked to confirm [this] as quickly as possible (this was a bit difficult for us because again, there was no outward sign in this gathering that these people were a racist group, so we couldn’t initially [determine] whether the group was racist or whether the folks calling to complain were prank callers. After all, what’s the odds of a racist organization holding a meeting right under your nose without any indication of who they are?). We talked directly to the organizers, who denied involvement in the racist group and reiterated their story that they were a rock group reunion.

      In spite of outward appearances, the evidence soon indicated that we had been very badly misled, and the guests in our facility were indeed an organization whose beliefs we can neither condone or support. They had also [misrepresented] themselves in renting the facility, and continued to misrepresent themselves in the evening. We shut down the event as quickly and as safely as possible after that and the group left before 8:00. None of the guests ever did admit who they were and their organizational affiliation.

      The members of our organization are both shocked and embarrassed by this event, and thank everyone for quickly bringing the true identity of these folks to our attention.

  4. Tabby says:

    I have to say, as a local wanting to know what was actually going on over at the Bungalow last weekend, and having a business in the area that I was afraid was going to be affected in a big bad way, I went over there. I know it doesn’t make a good story to say that the skinheads present – and boy were they present! behaved themselves as far as I could see. I can’t remember a time when I waited to be served in a pub where people actually acknowledged who was next in line, apologised for bumping into you and were generally well mannered. I’ve got to say it because it’s true. I didn’t hear any swearing or Hitler worship going on. On the `looks’ side – they had Dr. Martens, short hair or no hair, combats and the normal get up you would expect to see a skinhead wearing – what’s wrong with that. I have to look at people wearing t shirts with obscene wording on it or implying it and they call that designer fashion i.e. FCUK and nobody says a dicky bird. Fairness where it’s due, I’ve got no link to or interest in their beliefs but honestly it really wasn’t that bad, although I’m sure a lot of people would like to paint that picture. Much better to have a women’s knitting circle booked in for a tea party but you have to take the business where you can. Pubs are in such a desperate state at the moment that I think fair play to the landlord if he made a bit of money out of it. No harm was done and no mess seems to have been left behind. You really can’t say fairer than that can you.

  5. dave says:

    Just like to point out this was not a scooter rally. Despite what the BBC have been saying. It may be these “gentlemen” booked this do saying it was.

    I know a lot of people within the scooter scene who are most pissed off to be lumped in with these fuckwits and have been fighting for years to distance themselves from far right politics.

    A small point I know but an important one.

  6. @ndy says:

    The gig was organised by Benson & Hedges (aka Blood & Honour), a neo-Nazi organisation for musically-challenged and hearing impaired boneheads. The following provides some reasons why they’re not known to be dedicated to peace, love, mungbeans and patiently standing in queues:

    “Two members of Tampa Blood and Honour, a chapter of a particularly violent international white supremacist organization, were indicted in Florida for beating two homeless men to death in 1998. Two other members had already pleaded guilty to the crimes. Federal officials say the men planned to participate in a race war and killed the homeless men because they were deemed inferior.”

    Of the bands which performed, here’s a few lyrical samples:

      Brutal Attack, ‘Aryan Child’:

      …So wake from your bed, and raise your head
      Aryan child, listen to what is said
      So raise your hand and learn to love your land
      For the white revolution needs your uncorrupted hand

      …Child awake now for your land’s been robbed & sold
      By men of high finance the truth you must be told
      What your ancestors fought for sacrifice untold
      Has all been stolen by bankers of the Jewish fold

      Kill Baby Kill, ‘Diversity’:

      There’s nothing wrong with racial pride
      So I don’t understand the fuss
      Just take a look at the niggers and muds
      They are even worse than us

      (Note that the lead shouter in KBK, Dieter Samoy, has been charged with violent assault on a pair of other men, one of whom — a black man — went into a coma as a result.)

      Whitelaw, ‘Kick the Reds In’:

      Went down town on a Saturday
      A few commie vermin got in our way
      We steamed into them we had real fun
      Seeing the red scum on the run

      Off to a pub for a few
      There was more vermin in there too
      Some commie bastard playing a guitar
      So we decided to smash up the bar

      A nightclub was our next port of call
      There was more vermin on the dance floor
      Bottles started flying tables and chairs
      ‘Cos all we could do was kick the reds in

      Kick the reds in kick the reds in
      All we could do was kick the reds in

    In the BBC footage (available via the link above), you can hear the boys shouting ‘Sieg Heil!’. Whitelaw have a song called ‘Take the Salute’… guess what the ‘salute’ is? Another song is titled ‘(AH) His Will’… Can you guess what ‘AH’ stands for?

    Of the others:

    Bulldog Breed are another run-of-the-mill neo-Nazi band, which pays tribute to the Hammerskins in the song H.F.F.H. (Hammerskins Forever Forever Hammerskins), a neo-Nazi skinhead network which, like Benson & Hedges, has produced a good deal of racially motivated (and other) violent crime, and which extols white racial supremacy.
    Unit 28 have a little ditty they call ‘Muslims Out’, which they performed live at last year’s ISD gig, on a stage adorned by various Nazi flags.
    Woden are a craptastic metal band from the UK; one which should serve as a warning to young people everywhere of the dangers of mixing white power rock ‘n’ roll with Dungeons & Dragons. (See: Blood Red Eagle.)

  7. @ndy says:

    Cheers dave,

    It appears that pub management is claiming they were told it was gonna be a scooter rally — not a gathering of short-haired neo-Nazis — when the venue was booked. Obviously it wasn’t a scooter rally, and nobody in their right mind (no pun intended) would wanna be lumped in with neo-Nazi schmucks.

    Thanks for making that clear.

    (Scooters not swastikas!)

  8. @ndy says:

    Tabby,

    Fair play to the landlord if he made a bit of money out of it…?

    Um, maybe. That’s up to punters to decide. That is, should a venue that provides a platform for neo-Nazi scum be rewarded for their efforts by (continued) patronage? Isn’t providing neo-Nazis a forum stooping a bit low? I mean, didn’t something like several hundred thousand British citizens die fighting Nazism in WWII? Is allowing modern-day Nazis a chance to prance about on stage at a ‘traditional English pub’ a fitting way of paying respect to the memory of those killed? Is the fact that somebody is making money out of it sufficient justification for such an event to have been held? And what of the fact that this mob wants to commit genocide, or that members of B&H have been involved in range of violent hate crimes, up to and including murder…?

    Makes no sense to me, even if you didn’t have to wait long in the queue for a pint.

  9. Tabby says:

    @ndy

    IF they knew who had booked in… IF. You’ve got him strung up already as guilty.

    I’m not defending them as a group, cult or whatever they are. BUT I didn’t feel threatened over there, although I wouldn’t have wanted to stay long and listen to that music because it’s not my thing. I have to listen to Jehovah’s Witnesses knocking on my door telling me about God and their beliefs, I have to read about fanatical Muslim groups blowing themselves and the rest of us up because of their beliefs, I know for a fact in Bristol we have a problem with gun crime amongst the Jamaicans and Somalians who can’t live together, so intolerance is a thing hardly unique to the Blood and Honour group is it. If they want to sing at themselves in a marquee, as long as no one gets hurt and nothing gets damaged. I don’t have a problem with it.

  10. Sean Tombs says:

    Er, Obviously there’s a lot to be said but about freedom of speech. But as to the LandLADY not knowing what was going on – she has had connections with that pub for years. Even before she got the tenancy it was common knowledge that a very close neighbour to that pub (like within spitting distance), was a fascist. I believe that under a different landlord he booked the place previously for a fascist meeting under the guise of a birthday party. As @ndy points out these people are never honest about their cause but this tenant should’ve been, and should have known better. It’s all about money and nothing about community as far as she is concerned. I am not worried about all other races being wicked, as Tabby is, but I do see Tabby’s point regarding that apart from offending the majority of the local residents they did no major harm (in that they didn’t kill anyone on the day), but let’s face it you don’t see many black, Asian or other race people in Redhiil. If Tabby was black I bet he/she wouldn’t have liked to breakdown in their car outside the Bungalow Inn. And anyway, does Tabby think that all working class white areas are nice and there’s no white on white crime? Tabby should get out more (probably wouldn’t last long).

  11. bonehead says:

    what i would like to know andy u fuckwit is how do u know all this info? something doesnt seem right here. u know a hell of a lot for someone against benson & hedges.

  12. Dud says:

    As someone who was there, and proud to be there to honour a man who stood up for everything he believed in, whether he sang about his system of beliefs, wrote about them or even went to jail for them (there is no freedom of speech, it’s just a myth), I can’t see what all the fuss is about.

    We came to a small village, out of the way for a concert. We caused no trouble, we did not intentionally intimidate anyone, we did not put a strain on the police resources, until they decided to turn up, in force, when it was all over. We cleaned up after ourselves. We kept the noise down as much as possible once the music had finished (Friday night the music stopped at midnight). We also apologised for urinating in ditches (this ditch was opposite the house in question, not in the driveway) and this will be addressed and will not be tolerated in future.

    There was alcohol (we all like a pint or 3), there were no drugs (we do not use drugs, drug taking is not permitted – zero tolerance). We did not bring any dogs, loud motor bikes or stereos or weapons of any kind. In fact the only knives brought were to aid with the buttering of the bread for our bacon sarnies (any jew or muslim that had turned up would have been more than welcome to share my bacon sarnie). We did bring camping stoves, food and plenty of tea.

    The majority of the 800 there used the 3 toilets provided. We did not commit any burglaries, criminal damage or graffiti.

    We met with friends from across the world, shook hands and had a beer (or 3), we sang our songs and left.

    We do not wish to mix with other races, that is not ilegal yet… we prefer to take pride in our own race and to stick with our own people. We reject the MTV generation and the drug/gun crime that comes with it. Yes we have a reputation for fighting, but was any evidence of that seen in Redhill? Yes we have a reputation for being violent, when the need arises, but the need doesn’t always arise. It’s a fact of life in any town centre on a Friday or Saturday night that violence rules outside of the pubs and clubs, so we use violence to defend ourselves, when the need arises.

    There are a few questions I will ask of you all.

    When the remnants of the IRA march through the streets of London next Easter, on their annual Troops Out march, will there be as much discussion on this forum about that?

    When terrorist leaders such as Martin McGuinness or Gerry Adams become first and second ministers of Northern Ireland after a lifetime spent organising and carrying out horrendous acts of violence will there be as much discussion about the history of their rise to a leading political status? In fact have you ever had a discussion about McGuinness being made Education Minister for Northern Ireland at all? We get condemned for having a concert, yet a convicted terrorist can be put in a position where he has full access to the teaching of children?

    Our own politicians are not squeaky clean, many having convictions for Drink Driving, Fraud, Deception and Bankruptcy, plus all the strange sexual practices they seem to indulge in. Do you spend as much time on here discussing their fitness to lead a once great nation? I am sure that the drunken antics of Labour politicians will be in the press over the coming weeks after their conference.

    So what, 800 of us gathered in a field, had a drink, listened to some music and then went home. We will have the 16th anniversary next year and it will go ahead smoothly and without any trouble. This is our land, we respect our land and feel we have the right to our political persuasion, to our gatherings and to honour our dead friends without the police of this once great country illegally stopping it.

    I leave you all now to slag me, and call in to question my lifestyle, my politics and my train of thought. After all there is no one more fascist than an anti fascist.

    regards to you all

    Duds

    PS. would we have been more acceptable if we were wearing Stalin T shirts, Communist symbols and supported Che? after all they are all just a bunch of hippies and communism never really hurt anyone now did it. Ah and did anyone notice that flags were flying from the marquee? We are not ashamed to fly the Union Flag and remember the empire it once represented.

  13. Kadet says:

    it’s ZOG man… didn’t you hear? they’re taking over the world! lol

  14. @ndy says:

    Tabby:

    “IF they knew who had booked in… IF. You’ve got him strung up already as guilty.”

    C’mon. Honestly. There’s gullibility and then there’s just plain stoopidity. And who, exactly, is he? The only person to have made a statement thus far, that I’m aware of, is Anne Carter. And unless I’m very much mistaken, she’s not a fella.

      Today… Stephen Makin, a council spokesman, said: “Anne Carter at the pub was the applicant. She applied on September 2 for the event to take place on September 20 from 4pm to midnight. It was issued as we received no objections. We are now investigating after we received five complaints from residents.” The booking was made by record company ISD, which asked to use the field for a scooter and music festival… Pub manager Ian Saunders said: “I had no idea what it was going to turn into when the man rang to book it. We’ve provided a function room for him a couple of times in the past and everything has been fine until now. If I knew that this would happen I would never have allowed it and anything the police want to do we’ll support them in any way we can.” Brewer Wadworth, which owns the pub, said: “The brewery is not aware of any similar problems that have occurred at this site and will be taking action, where appropriate, to ensure that it does not happen again.”

    On your apparent feelings having gone to the Ian Stuart Donaldson memorial: Lemme guess… you’re white.

    Your comparison to Witnesses knocking on your door to a gathering of 800 neo-Nazis is just plain daft. It also ignores the fact that Benson & Hedges is part of a movement, and the aims of that movement are to establish a fascist state, with all that implies. Given the unfeasibility of this prospect, it still provides ballast to other right-wing, xenophobic movements and ideologies, and also results in periodic bursts of racial violence, for which B&H and the acts associated with it have a considerable recent history. If you choose not to be concerned by such events, movements or ideologies, fine. That’s your choice. Others, however, make other choices.

  15. @ndy says:

    A little history…

    The 43 Group:

    The Battle of Cable Street:

    “Ubby Cowan (90 this year) helped orchestrate the Battle of Cable Street on October 4th 1936. The event was a mass demonstration to stop Mosley and his Black-shirt fascists from marching through Stepney, East London spreading their message of racism and hate. This film is a short doc telling Ubby’s story.”

    Skinhead:

  16. renny says:

    As I live in the West Country – I was shocked to hear about this on the news. Not that the boneheads would organise but the local AntiFa didn’t seem to have a clue about the event happening. I regret not having the chance to drive out there and pick a few boneheads off – at least at the edges of the event.

  17. @ndy says:

    Duds:

    Uh-huh. Well…

    I don’t think that just because someone is ‘proud’ of their beliefs that makes them admirable or their beliefs worthy. And given the fact that Ian was a neo-Nazi, there’s nothing admirable about him, his life, his music, or his views. The same applies to the event itself: a gathering of 800 boneheads is objectionable on principle: because it’s a gathering of boneheads (well-behaved or not). Regarding drugs, knives and bikes: well, for one thing, the gig was (apparently) booked under false pretences, and pub management informed that there would be a scooter rally, not a mini-Nuremberg. Regarding Jews and Muslims being welcome to share your bacon sandwich: pig’s arse.

    In answer to your questions:

    “When the remnants of the IRA march through the streets of London next Easter, on their annual Troops Out march, will there be as much discussion on this forum about that?”

    I doubt it. First, it would depend on my blogging about it. And I’ve blogged very little on The Troubles…

    Not everyone “loves Ulster”…
    British Soldiers Go On Home

    But I doubt it: I focus on anarchism and anti-fascism (among other things), not the activities of the Irish republican movement in England.

    “When terrorist leaders such as Martin McGuinness or Gerry Adams become first and second ministers of Northern Ireland after a life time spent organising and carrying out horrendous acts of violence will there be as much discussion about the history of their rise to a leading political status?”

    Again, I doubt it.

    McGuinness (Máirtín Mag Aonghusa) has been quite open about his membership of the Provos. “I am a member of Oglaigh na Eireann (IRA) and very, very proud of it” ~ 1973.

    BBC:

    …Mr McGuinness says that he turned to republicanism after witnessing the 1960s government repression of the nationalist community and its failure to prevent the escalating violence that destroyed the civil rights movement.

    When the Provisional IRA began to emerge (albeit in small numbers) in key nationalist areas in 1969 and 1970, Mr McGuinness joined and rose through its newly formed ranks.

    In 1971, it is thought he became the 21-year-old commander of “Free Derry” and appeared at a Provisional IRA press conference where the new leadership offered to talk peace.

    In May 2001 he became the most important member of the modern Republican movement to reveal his role when he confirmed that he would be telling the Bloody Sunday inquiry that he was second-in-command of the IRA in the city at the time of the tragedy.

    During the 1970s he avoided internment – but not trial for terrorism related offences in the Republic.

    At his 1973 conviction, Martin McGuinness said: “We have fought against the killing of our people. I am a member of Oglaigh na Eireann (IRA) and very, very proud of it.”

    Since then, Mr McGuinness has remained at the forefront of the republican movement.

    The same more or less applies to Gerry Adams (Gearóid Mac Ádhaimh).

    In any case, if you mean what you write — that it’s admirable to “honour a man who stood up for everything he believed in, whether he sang about his system of beliefs, wrote about them or even went to jail for them” — what’s with all the fuss about McGuinness and Adams?

    “In fact have you ever had a discussion about McGuinness being made Education Minister for Northern Ireland at all? We get condemned for having a concert, yet a convicted terrorist can be put in a position where he has full access to the teaching of children?”

    No, I haven’t. On the other hand, there’s a million and one subjects I’ve never written about, and never will. So what? You get condemned for your neo-Nazi politics, and derided for your sub-par arguments.

    PS. I’m an anarchist, not a Stalinist, Communist or Guevarist. And you can keep your butcher’s apron thanks; my flag is black.

  18. Dud says:

    renny
    Sep 25th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    As I live in the West Country – I was shocked to hear about this on the news. Not that the boneheads would onganise but the local AntiFa didn’t seem to have a clue about the event happening. I regret not having the chance to drive out there and pick a few boneheads off – at least at the edges of the event.

    Ah threats of violence… and not from a nazi skinhead but from a self proclaimed communist. Maybe Antifa should hold their rally there next year and see the difference in behaviour.

    Go back to your little world little man and dream of an unbiased society where everyone is equal in both housing and pay no matter what background they come from, after all Russia, China, and half of Africa are so much better off thanks to your flawless system of rule.

  19. Austie says:

    Ooohhh, Duds charges in from the right flank; sees Andy impotently blithering about completely confounded by some gen-u-ine actual logic and deftly sidesteps the poster boy of the current edition of “Ineffectuality Monthly” and hammers home a [goal].
    The crowd goes wild but seasoned commentators remind us that Andy is an easy-beat sure to be relegated to a Fifth Division, should one ever be created.
    An embarrassingly outclassed Andy is wandering the pitch in the meantime with all the tiger-like ferocity of a stunned mullet hoping that no-one has noticed his predictable, but telling, inability to respond to honest, direct and intelligent tactics from the opposition.
    Oh dear, it’s early shower time for Andy but here’s hoping next year he actually shows some backbone and puts up a real fight.
    Until next time, football fans and for all the crusties: Remember, soap is not your enemy…

  20. Tabby says:

    Duds

    Well said (first post). As long as there are people like you then at least there will be some freedom of speech and belief. I might not agree with your point of view but I can respect it.

    You are right, any other gathering of 800 people would have caused huge aggro but you did behave, and you did clean up and it was not their driveway that was pissed in – it was the country lane where plenty of pub regulars all around the country piss every weekend regardless of their dress code/following.

  21. @ndy says:

    Austie:

    Aussie Rules mate.

    Bands:

    Avalon
    Blackout
    Bulldog Breed
    Brutal Attack
    Kill Baby Kill (Belgium)
    Last Chance
    Legion of St George
    Sleipnir (Germany)
    Unit 28
    Whitelaw
    Woden

    2005 ISD gigs:

    Blood and Honour stages gigs across Europe
    Searchlight
    Jan Raabe
    November 2005

    Nazis stand silently and reverently in a deserted factory building near Dresden in darkest Saxony. The shouting and bawling has stopped and some of those present even straighten their backs in quasi-military fashion, while a hymn is played to honour Ian Stuart Donaldson, the late Skrewdriver band leader turned international nazi idol, killed in a road traffic accident on 23 September 1993.

    The date is 3 September 2005 and this ritualistic scene was to be repeated over the following weeks at a series of Ian Stuart Donaldson memorial concerts, organised by the nazi Blood and Honour (B&H) movement all over Europe.

    Because B&H was banned in Germany in 2000, the nazis were not able to advertise the concert openly for fear that it would be stopped. The event was therefore organised conspiratorially to take place well before the anniversary of Donaldson’s death and was attended – unusually for a bonehead event in Germany – by just 350 participants.

    The Belgian concert, staged on 10 September by B&H’s so-called Netherlands and Flanders Division, was next. Its organisers bleated, “Unfortunately there had to be a memorial though each of us would rather see Ian Stuart still leading this fine movement to victory”. A 600-strong mob listened to Warlord and Section 88, both from England, and Faustrecht and White Resistance, from Germany. The police were present but did not intervene.

    A week later, 3-400 nazis gathered at a pub in the small town of Krtetice near Ceske Budejovice in the south of the Czech Republic and heard Titkolt Ellenalas (Hungary), Razors Edge (England) and Oidoxie (Germany). Oidoxie managed to whip up the audience to the extent that shouts of “Sieg Heil” could be heard outside the pub. This resulted in the police warning that they would enter the building and break up the concert, whereupon the organisers threw in the towel, preventing a performance by the home-grown Czech band, Conflict 88.

    In contrast to the intervention by the Czech police, the police chief in Brig, Switzerland, faced censure for not breaking up another 3-400-strong B&H concert staged the same day. “Hate against Jews while the police stand and watch. That’s enough!” commented a local newspaper.

    The Swiss B&H Division had invited the American band Tear Down. Together with Amok and Helvetica, both from Switzerland, Sleipnir and Feldherren, from Germany, and Ultima Frontiera (Italy), they were able to incite the nazi mob with impunity.

    In Slovakia, despite an expanding nazi bonehead scene, the memorial concert, also on 17 September, attracted only 200 people. The relatively low numbers may have been the result of competition from other nazi concerts on the same day in southern Germany. Although two notorious UK nazi bands, English Rose and Pure Blood, were on the bill, the hate-filled atmosphere only reached its full nadir when Feher Torveny from Hungary, Imperium from the Czech Republic and Skullscrusher from Slovenia took the stage, enabling the audience to relish “songs” about killing Jews.

    In Austria, the main organiser of the memorial concert on 24 September publicly criticised the audience, declaring: “I have to say that is it very embarrassing that somebody has to shout into the microphone in order to get some people to shut up”. His beloved Führer did that all the time! But no wonder the nazis were rowdy. The police had allowed the owner of the first concert venue to cancel the contract, then the lead singer of the Finnish band Mistreat got fighting drunk. Enthusiasm was only restored when the UK band Razors Edge played “Streets of Oldham”, a modified version of Ralph McTell’s “Streets of London”.

    In the UK, the American group Youngland topped the line-up, frenetically celebrated while the ageing veterans of British nazi music – Brutal Attack, English Rose, Pureblood, Warhammer, Avalon, Legion of St George and Strikeforce – were left standing. The organisers from B&H Central Division, nevertheless, pronounced themselves satisfied with the event.

    Not to be left out, 200 nazis responded to an invitation of the Ukrainian B&H Division on 24 September in Kharkov with a bill headlined by Kolovrat (swastika) from Moscow. The other bands treating the boneheads to their racket were Molot from neighbouring Belarus, three outfits from the Ukraine, and Odessa – the first German nazi band to play in the country.

    It was left to the Hungarian nazis to stage the final event of the series with a gig near Budapest, at which the Hungarian bands Hunor, Titkolt Ellenallas and Feher Torveny played, as well as Imperium. Top billing, however, went to the Legion of St George.

    The fact that the nazis were able to stage ten international concerts within a month, of which at least nine were directly organised by B&H, indicates that although in decline in some Western countries and banned or facing bans in others, the nazis’ structures remain intact.

    B&H concerts attended by up to 600 people are not unusual, especially in the former East Bloc countries, where a white power music scene has emerged mostly led by B&H. These countries have relatively lax laws and the police do little to crackdown on these menacing activities.

    While B&H’s English Division is still seen as the movement’s leading unit, because the organisation started here, international bands such as Kolovrat, Tear Down and Juden Mord are starting to draw more and more attention.

    There is no doubt that B&H in Germany has the biggest mobilising potential and commands by far the most support, but the ban is an inhibiting factor, forcing official B&H concerts to be held abroad. German nazis attend these events just outside the country’s frontiers in large numbers. Despite the ban, numerous former members and activists of the German B&H division are still highly active.

    If white power music undergoes a resurgence – with B&H at its centre – it could become an even more important vehicle for the nazi political message, most of all in the former East Bloc.

  22. renny says:

    Duds and Tabby – if you are real (“wish I had a cock in my mouth but I can’t admit it!”) nutsies or just “fellow travellers” is hard to tell. Anyway, whichever you are, perhaps deep down you know what a plague on humankind you are. Be serious, are we supposed to be impressed by the fact that 600-800 boneheads “behaved” themselves? The same people who would put children into gas chambers?

    You know you will die – let’s hope painfully – and if there is a hell – you will certainly burn in it. As for the rest of us, isn’t it our duty to smash every bonehead, at every opportunity? The “statism” of nazis make them the permanent enemy of anarchism.

  23. Tabby says:

    Renny,

    Actually I enjoy a cock in my mouth and you sound like such a angry little man. I bet you are a little little man with a little little cock. The point you make about the gas chamber is way out of order isn’t it. If Dud is switched on to this blog which is really breaking down to your very poor (short) level I’d like his view on that one. Where is it said that is what they would like to do? I’m genuin[e]ly asking someone, anyone who is seriously involved in blood and honour if that’s what they are saying they’d want to do. Call me what you want I’m not connected to them in any way shape or form apart from trying to work out what was taking place at the local pub last weekend. `Smash every bonehead’, christ, lovely aren’t you little fella.

  24. renny says:

    Tabby,

    I think you’re missing the point. This forum is about “anarchism” (it says so at the top) and my fundamental point is that anarchism must “by definition” oppose any form of “nationalism” and arguments for a permanent “state” of any kind. And yes, I am arguing that anybody involved in B&H is nazi or a sympathiser. And nazis do put people in gas chambers!!!

    I am sure you do have a big cock but I can tell you lack a little upstairs. “Messing” with “nationalism” and “nazism” may be a style statement to you but many of us (in our own little ways) are busy trying to change things for the better.

    Smash the boneheads! Smash Blood and Honour!

  25. @ndy says:

    “The point you make about the gas chamber is way out of order isn’t it…”

    That depends, I think, on your understanding of the implications of neo-Nazi doctrine, especially insofar as it resembles Nazism, and the crucial role of anti-Semitism in informing it.

    In 1983, while a member of the National Front, Ian Stuart was interviewed. When asked how he imagined GB would rid itself of immigrants, he replied that, if and when the NF came to power, it would employ state violence. This, he conceded, might involve some bloodshed. On the other hand, the sooner it occurred, the less violence would be required in order to perform this task. Barring an NF victory, there would be a race war.

    The narrator claims that Mein Kampf is one of the few books Ian ever read, and that Adolf Hitler is his idol. Thus: “Hitler was absolutely right. The Holocaust is what they hold against him. I’m not sure if there even WAS a Holocaust.”

    Asked would it alter his opinion in any way if the Holocaust could be proven to his satisfaction, his reply is ‘No’. His main concern regarding the Holocaust, he continues, is its use as a propaganda tool against Nazism (National Socialism). Asked if, aside from any political considerations, would he object to the Holocaust on ethical grounds, he expresses the opinion that he finds the idea of sending vast numbers of people to their deaths distasteful, but that the Jews have done many bad things, so it’s understandable why Hitler hated them so.

    These are the words of The Great Man.

  26. Tabby says:

    I am not Tabby but Tabby’s neighbour, and I went to the pub on Saturday for a beer to see what was going on as well. I would like to raise a few points, why is it that these people cant have a get together and listen to music and have a few beers. It makes me sick to see the one sided bias from the BBC showing hysterical neighbours having to flee. I went there with my two young children and stayed for a couple of hours there was no trouble no one was threatening or violent. In fact they were more polite and well behaved than pretty much any other group I could imagine. Whilst I was there a Police car turned up with two police in they had a look around and left because they were not needed. Now let’s look at the London carnival an event described as the biggest celebration of black culture in Europe. There were 11,000 police needed yes 11,000 and really that was not enough there was terrible riots and organised fighting against the police. Or take any Muslim rally where there are routine calls to kill all non Muslims and take over this country. Now I find these events far more worrying than a few people who want to protect their country. What people have got to realise is that a country only remains the indigenous population’s country whilst they remain by far the biggest race in numbers. As birth rates go down the UK will be a mixture of Africa and Arabia before this century is out. You have to ask yourselves what you would rather have: a few people once a year holding a get together or a mosque blaring out every day. I know which I would rather have. I did not vote to be colonised by alien races with alien cultures who are for the most part dependent on the taxes we pay.

  27. renny says:

    And there you go folks. Tabby lays a few cards on the table and gives the whole game away.

    Point by point:

    1. The “Notting Hill Carnival” is a carnival in London every year. It can attract up to 2 million people. It is for everyone and not a black-only event (see Wikipedia). 11,000 police for 2 million people. Hmm… very strange.

    2. When Muslims rally they are arrested and charged when they break the law.

    3. Tabby talks about the “indigenous” population but he [she?] actually means “white”. But Britain, like most countries, has many people who are British but are not white.

    Tabby – you are obviously a fascist and a racist. The fact that you are local to Redhill suggests that you had something to do with the organisation of the Fueherfest. I wonder if the local villagers would support you.

    I live in the West Country and now will be writing to the Parish Council, the Licensing Authorities, the Local Council, and try and do my best to get “The Bungalow Inn” shut down. And remember the local AntiFa also…

    I will post the addresses for the local authorities here for anyone else to use.

  28. Dr. Cam says:

    Has anybody else noticed that Tabby would appear to be some kind of liar?

  29. @ndy says:

    You’re just one of those extra-terrestrials who voted to be colonised by alien races with alien cultures who are for the most part dependent on the taxes we pay.

  30. @ndy says:

    None Dare Call It Dr. Cam’s Internet Weblog/464/21-Sep-2008
    when you cheat at scrabble, you are only cheating yourself
    Avant garde, no?

    Just had a couple of friendly games of Scrabble with Andy Slackbastard. At least I had thought they were going to be friendly games. Turns out that Andy had thought that I had challenged him in quite a cocky manner. Reckons I said I was going to ‘kick his arse’ and ‘dominate the motherfucking scrabble board, you tiny little bad-at-scrabble man.’

    I don’t have any recollection of anything of the sort. Unfortunately there is no emoticon for tipping ones hand back in front of one’s mouth to indicate that you believe somebody has been drinking, otherwise that is what would follow the previous sentence. 😮 >-|

    That is a dude with like a cocktail glass just beneath his mouth. :[email protected]

    Now you can’t see his mouth because the bottom of the glass is in the way. Perspective.

    We are revolutionising emoticons here, people.

    Anyway, Andy ended up winning both games. Unfortunately (for him) he achieved this by cheating. Specifically, he disallowed a word in each game that would have won me both.

    First game: He had just put down ATTACK. I was going to add SHAQ for SHAQATTACK on a triple word score, but oh no, King Andy of Andytown couldn’t be having that. “What’s a shaqattack?” he asks in his ignorant gormless manner.

    Second game: Earlier, I had put down MULL. He’d stayed away from it (thank goodness) which allowed me later to turn it into DAVEMULLIGAN, earning me 50 bonus points for using all seven letters on my rack. “What’s a davemulligan?” he asks in the same ignorant gormless manner. Um, he’s Left Back for the New Zealand All Whites?

    I had no idea that Scrabble was such an effective method of revealing character. Luckily I found out that Andy is a liar and a cheat now, instead of further on down the track when he is asking me to store plastic explosives with which he intends to dismantle global capitalism.

    LIES!

  31. renny says:

    NO NAZIS IN REDHILL – NAZIS OFF OUR STREETS

    What you can do:

    Write & complain to the local MP Liam Fox: [email protected]
    Local Councillor Deborah Yamanaka: [email protected]
    Parish Councillor Peter Ellis: [email protected]

    Write and complain to the licence holders of “The Bungalow Inn” — Wadworth: You could ask for the landlord/lady to be investigated — remember this happened before — and ask should such people be allowed to organize on their premises.

    Wadworth Co. Ltd
    Northgate Street
    Devizes
    Wiltshire
    SN10 1JW, UK

    Telephone: 01380 723361

    The only email I found for the brewery is [email protected]

    SMASH THE BONEHEADS – SMASH BLOOD AND HONOUR

  32. Dud says:

    I have no feelings one way or the other regarding the gas chambers. it was 60 years ago and has no bearing or affect on my life today. The only reminder I now see of the gas chambers is the 15 quid admission fee they charge for a walk round their various holocaust museums, so somebody somewhere is getting rich of [sic] their dead.

    An anarchist state? with no law and order, no form of ordered society at all? jeeze what would you do for money when there is no dole???

    I’ve seen your lot in action, en mass [sic] smashing up london because you don’t want to pay taxes or disagree with the G8 summit. I see you all smash up macdonalds [sic] as it represents capatlist [sic] america (the great white beast) but you all go there every other saturday when you can pick you [sic] kids up from your ex’s house for a big mac and fries.

    You harp on about gas chambers as if they were a german invention…

    You don’t like nazis, fair enough, but seeing as you want to take away our right to hold a memorial concert, i would say that your [sic] aren’t an anarchist at heart at all but the closet facist [sic] that you hate so much. I object to being called a facist [sic], I’m a national socalist [sic].

    As for gassing children, not really my cup of tea, but then again I’m all for capital and corpral [sic] punishment instead of being ‘nice’ to the people who deserve such treatment.

    one last thought, your slogan ‘bash the fash’ always sounds a little camp coming from behind your police lines of protection every time you venture out doors.

  33. SKINLY says:

    who ever changed my name to bonehead needs to stop being sad for a start.

    and as for what has been said on here with all the discussions just would like to point out 1 thing referring to andy. how is there nothing admirable about ian stuart. a man who stood for what is right until the bitter end, never backed down and if [he] was still alive today would still be doing the same as what he was back in the 80’s-early 90’s.

    the gig was not like anything the papers were talking about. its left wing bollox. i know because i was there and i was there helping to clean up with a few others after the event when the police decided to show up. when we left the field and its surroundings [they] were spotless. a few stairs [sic] were thrown our way from the neighbours. but no harm was done to either them or there [sic] property.

    this country is turning to shit an people like the ones on this forum is partly why. so stop talking shit and if u r truly british why dont none of u stand for your country. remember 1 thing people we dominated three quaters [sic] of this earth where has it all gone? its gone because of the left wing bullshit, immagration [sic] and a soft race of people who cannot say “fuck the system” barring a select few i.e B H.

    so when you all open your eyes try and have a winge at us then 1 day u will realise its too late.

    SKINLY

  34. Lumpen says:

    Look, if a few blokes want to celebrate a murderous and bankrupt ideology and use said event to organise more violence to keep their secret club for arseholes going, who are we to comment? It’s just some ordinary people who wear viking helmets, drink beer and drape a few swastikas around a very ordinary English pub. Who hasn’t done that in the last 6 months?

  35. @ndy says:

    Dud:

    I have no feelings one way or the other regarding the gas chambers. it was 60 years ago and has no bearing or affect on my life today. The only reminder I now see of the gas chambers is the 15 quid admission fee they charge for a walk round their various holocaust museums, so somebody somewhere is getting rich of [sic] their dead… You harp on about gas chambers as if they were a german invention…

    To begin with…

    renny wrote:

    “and nazis do put people in gas chambers!!!”

    Tabby wrote:

    “The point you make about the gas chamber is way out of order isn’t it. If Dud is switched on to this blog which is really breaking down to your very poor (short) level I’d like his view on that one. Where is it said that is what they would like to do? I’m genuinly asking someone, anyone who is seriously involved in blood and honour if that’s what they are saying they’d want to do.”

    I wrote:

    “Asked would it alter [Ian Stuart’s] opinion in any way if the Holocaust could be proven to his satisfaction, his reply is ‘No’.”

    renny can obviously speak for him/herself. The point is that B&H are a neo-Nazi organisation; its co-founder, Ian Stuart Donaldson, is (or rather, was) unfazed by Nazism’s record of attempted genocide (the Holocaust); it’s a legitimate point to associate neo-Nazism with the mass killing of others, including children, and by the employment of modern technics (such as gas chambers). Obviously, the 800 or so boneheads who assembled at The Bungalow in Redhill over the weekend are in no position to being mass murdering children considered by them to be sub-human; rather, it’s an expression of their politics being beyond the pale that they (and you Dud) consciously espouse doctrines which would result in same, and celebrate the legacy of a regime which was, in reality, directly responsible for such carnage.

    Regarding your typically distasteful comment regarding Them (nudge nudge, wink wink) profiting from Their attempts to keep the memory of the Holocaust alive: I live in Melbourne, Australia, and entrance to the Jewish Holocaust Museum and Research Centre is free.

    Finally, that you have “no feelings” regarding one of the most horrible outbursts of insanity in modern history is hardly surprising, and simply rec-confirms — if any further confirmation were actually necessary — what a disgusting organisation B&H actually is, and why an assemblage of 800 or so individuals who think similarly should be of concern to anyone with a living soul; that is, ‘feeling’.

    An anarchist state? with no law and order, no form of ordered society at all? jeeze what would you do for money when there is no dole???

    By definition, there’s no so such thing as “an anarchist state”; your knowledge of political philosophy is as profound as your knowledge of history and as your taste in music is bad.

    I’ve seen your lot in action, en mass [sic] smashing up london because you don’t want to pay taxes or disagree with the G8 summit. I see you all smash up macdonalds [sic] as it represents capatlist [sic] america (the great white beast) but you all go there every other saturday when you can pick you [sic] kids up from your ex’s house for a big mac and fries.

    Er… Right. OK. Every other Saturday I go to my ex’s house to pick up the kids, and then I go to McDonald’s for a Big Mac and fries.

    Have you been following me Dud?!?

    Regarding the activities of my lot: yeah, Anarchy in the UK baby.

    As we say Down Under: “You’re an idiot”.

    You don’t like nazis, fair enough, but seeing as you want to take away our right to hold a memorial concert, i would say that your [sic] aren’t an anarchist at heart at all but the closet facist [sic] that you hate so much. I object to being called a facist [sic], I’m a national socalist [sic].

    Jesus wept.

    Yeah, I ‘don’t like Nazis’; I don’t like neo-Nazis much either. Who does, apart from other neo-Nazis? (And even they’re not too keen.)

    All neo-Nazis are fascists (note spelling), but not all fascists are neo-Nazis. Fascism is an ideology and a social movement; B&H form part of the neo-Nazi movement (such as it is), and functions as part of a broader, more diverse fascist movement. Such movements, like other political movements, seek to acquire state power, with specific ends in mind, and by either following a parliamentary or extra-parliamentary road. The success of fascism means, among other things, the failure of anarchism.

    Historically speaking, anarchists were among the first groups to oppose fascism (whether its origins are traced to Fascist Italy or elsewhere — for example, France), and have continued to do so ever since, experiencing both success and failure. By the same token, anarchists have often been among the principal targets of fascist movements, and the first victims of fascist regimes. Blogging about the ISD gig is an incredibly minor activity when compared to the efforts other anarchists and radicals have made to sabotage and to destroy neo-Nazi and fascist movements, projects and organisations, that is true… but I like to think every little bit helps.

    Also: look up the words ‘fascist’, ‘national socialist’ and ‘Nazi’ in your dictionary.

    Goodbye Dud.

  36. @ndy says:

    who ever changed my name to bonehead needs to stop being sad for a start.

    how is there nothing admirable about ian stuart. a man who stood for what is right until the bitter end, never backed down and if [he] was still alive today would still be doing the same as what he was back in the 80’s-early 90’s.

    He was a neo-Nazi skinhead. Now he’s dead. Three cheers for Ian Stuart.

    the gig was not like anything the papers were talking about. its left wing bollox. i know because i was there and i was there helping to clean up with a few others after the event when the police decided to show up. when we left the field and its surroundings were spotless. a few stairs [sic] were thrown our way from the neighbours. but no harm was done to either them or there property.

    I’ve read the papers online. Some of the reportage appears to be rather exaggerated — A VILLAGE expecting a scooter festival found itself invaded by more than 800 Nazi yobs instead… They stomped through the streets chanting: “Sieg Heil, Sieg Heil” (The Sun) — but that’s tabloid journalism, not left wing bollox.

    That a few stairs were thrown your way would be laudable — if only it were true!

    this country is turning to shit an people like the ones on this forum is partly why. so stop talking shit and if u r truly british why dont none of u stand for your country. remember 1 thing people we dominated three quaters of this earth where has it all gone? its gone because of the left wing bullshit, immagration and a soft race of people who cannot say “fuck the system” barring a select few i.e B H.

    Huh? I’m from Australia mate, and I only stand when a lady enters the room. As for dominating the globe… uh-huh. Who’s ‘we’, paleface? In any case, that you’re obviously a frustrated little tinpot dictator certainly explains your attraction to neo-Nazism.

    You boneheaded wanker.

    Big fat antifa hugs ‘n’ kisses,

    @ndy.

  37. @ndy says:

    Dud:

    “one last thought, your slogan ‘bash the fash’ always sounds a little camp coming from behind your police lines of protection every time you venture out doors.”

    One last antifa allegory:

  38. Austie says:

    [Blah blah blah…]

  39. renny says:

    It is obvious now that Duds, Tabby, Skinly etc. were behind organising this thing. There is also people on this forum that might have an idea who they really are.

    Bristol AntiFa would really like to know more…

    If you do have any intelligence on these boneheads let AntiFa know by visiting the site.

    Let’s give the boneheads uneasy sleep… Help us quicken their path to hell and meet Ian Stuart.

  40. vixen says:

    mmm renny… mad idealology communism and anarchy… same might be said of national socialim but… we at blood and honour pride ourselves on being a family organisation… to proctect the future for our children… we pride our selves on earning our own money, being educated… not doley scum like the majority of afa. or… lets say MATURE students… just lazy… if afa want to know more on these people… do your own homework find out dont waste taxpayers money and time… and yes i was there at the gig (as were many of the surounding neighbours) and will be next year for the next memorial… as a mother and grandmother i do not put my ideas on my children but only ask them to open their eyes and see what has happened to a once great nation… if B&H is sick why are so many people joining… it is a time wake up and take a stand for our country, people and children.

    hail ian stuart! hail blood and honour!

  41. renny says:

    Thanks to the people who have already provided information … with your help we can soon clearly identify the organisers of this event.

    The nazis will soon be crawling under their rocks again as acting on the information provided – we have a number of pest-control activities in progress. ‘Nuff said.

  42. rob says:

    a bit out of order calling it a scooter rally, gives us scooterists a hard time booking future venues. the twat who wants to smash boneheads, why. hundreds of skinheads and scooterists wear dm’s, combats, pilot jackets, why do you want to ‘pick us’ off.

  43. Kadet says:

    rob:
    to prevent the next generation from adopting dirty habits like Benson and Hedges and scooters. Both are bad for your health and make you look like an idiot 😀

  44. @ndy says:

    rob: the problem is boneheads not scooters (sorry Kadet). skinheads are alright; boneheads are scum.

  45. renny says:

    Nothing wrong with skinheads but nazi boneheads must be destroyed! History teaches us that.

  46. rob says:

    so how do you tell the difference?
    I don’t mind looking like an idiot as long as there’s plenty of pubs at the end of the ride. whats the ‘bad for your health’ bit, being ‘picked off’ for looking like an idiot or for wearing combats etc.

  47. renny says:

    Well ..hmm.. let me see now. Swastikas and nazi salutes might be a sign. You really are a dumb fuck.

  48. rob says:

    sorry, i realise now they are the ones goose stepping around the country. meanwhile back in the real world i socialise with bnp members, anarchists, anti-fascists, lots of political persuasions on the scooter scene, many wearing ‘skinhead gear’, it is impossible to tell them apart from how they look.
    i asked the question on telling the difference, as i wanted to know if you would just pick on anyone wearing ‘skinhead gear’.
    hope you get a good kicking one day by your own boys because you are too thick to realise who you are having a go at.

  49. Kadet says:

    hehe sorry kids, it was a play on words as it were.
    I don’t mind some skinheads, provided they are against racial prejudice.
    And I have a hatred of scooters (the road worthy type): ugliest things on the road.

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