“Fuck off we’re full.” (Of shit.)

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Update : Hear also hack on triple j, January 27, 2009 (Reconciliation Flash Mob et cetera).

    Alan, it’s not just a few Anglo bastards on Australia Day, it’s millions. Australia is a very big country and it’s been taken over by this scum. It’s not a few causing trouble. It’s all of them.”

    Caller: “What kind of grubs do we have here?”
    Jones: “What kind of grubs? This lot were Anglo, we’re not allowed to say it, but I am saying it.”

The antics of somewhere between 80 and several hundred teenage boys on Manly beach on Australia/Invasion/Survival Day (January 26) has triggered some inevitable expressions of anguish over Australia, yoof, and the uses to which yoof put the Australian flag. Inevitable too, the drawing of comparisons with the violent racist outburst at Cronulla beach in 2005. In 2009, however, the odds were far less favourable for the young patriots: 80:1 as opposed to 5000:1. Nevertheless, the boys did succeed in wounding a teenage girl (of Asian descent), as well as frightening a lone taxi driver (a Sikh), a few (non-White) shopkeepers, and a number of local families with children.

Enough to make any digger’s heart swell with pride.

Naturally, ‘outsiders’ are being blamed for the troubles — many of the yoof supposedly came from suburbs other than Manly. By the same token, local police are keen to play down the significance of the teenagers’ antics.

However, it may be that the general public is becoming rather tired of the notion that being a (White) Australian and carrying a flag entitles you to act like a complete arsehole — or that having chosen to be born to non-White parents is a moral failing deserving of abuse, ridicule, or even physical assault.

More broadly, draping such dickheaded behaviour in the Australian flag does not bode well for the continued celebration of the Australian nation on January 26 (the day in 1788 that the British Empire landed in Australia), and reinforces calls for a day of nationalistic feeling to be moved to some other date. This won’t happen overnight — PM KRudd has already made that very clear — but it may well be inevitable.

As noted by Chris Graham, at its 44th National Conference (27-29 April 2007), KRudd’s party claimed to be “committed to reconciliation and … encouraged by the initiative of the community and corporate sector in driving reconciliation”. Further: “Labor will implement the recommendations made in 2000 by the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation and will use the Council’s Australian Declaration towards Reconciliation as a basis for action”. The problem for KRudd is that “…establish[ing] and promot[ing] symbols of reconciliation… would include changing the date of Australia Day to a date that includes all Australians”; an ‘essential action’ with regards the ‘symbols of reconciliation’.

Anyway, here’s what a UK daily reckons:

Violence mars Australia’s national day celebrations
Bonnie Malkin
The Daily Telegraph
January 27, 2009

Each January 26, Australians gather in parks and on beaches to celebrate all that is great about their country: mateship, sunshine, barbecues and free-flowing beer.

But this year, across the country’s most populous state, the day of national pride turned violent when groups of youths rampaged through suburbs targetting non-white shopkeepers in a display of racism that echoed the ugly scenes of the 2005 Cronulla riots.

In the affluent Sydney suburb of Manly, where hundreds of families had set up their picnics for the day, more than 100 shirtless young men draped in “Aussie pride” flags smashed car windows and vandalised shops.

Carrying signs that read “- – – – off we’re full”, they paraded up and down the [seafront] threatening bypassers.

One 18-year-old Asian woman was injured when the gang smashed her car window, showering her in glass and causing several cuts to her arms.

There were also reports that the group attacked a taxi driven by an Indian Sikh and an Asian shopkeeper.

In scenes reminiscent of the Cronulla riots, when 5,000 white Australians congregated in the Sydney beachfront suburb and attacked Lebanese immigrants [sic], groups of men jumped on cars that were stopped at traffic lights and chanted racist slogans to the terrified passengers.

NB. Those targetted for violence in Cronulla on December 11, 2005 were all those deemed to be insufficiently ‘White’ (of ‘Middle Eastern’ appearance). This included presumed Lebanese-Australians, but also a handful of students from Bangladesh, among others, while some police and ambulance workers who came to the assistance of victims were also attacked. “Commissioner Ken Moroney says an ambulance officer was attacked while transferring an injured person and the crowd turned on a woman because of her race. “That woman was saved, literally saved by the police officers and those officers deserve my highest commendation for the way in which they went about their task,” he said.

At one point the gang was reportedly heard singing “lets go – – – – with these Lebs”.

Animosity towards Lebanese-Australians is a trait also shared by members of the ‘Southern Cross Soldiers’. At least 30 members of this volunteer army (according to the Soldiers themselves, as many as 100) gathered on Melbourne beaches to celebrate Australia Day.

Jean Hay, the mayor of Manly, said the youths came from the north-west of Sydney and were not Manly residents.

The unrest was brought under control by the late afternoon. Police charged a 16-year-old for assaulting police and three others were cautioned for offensive and dangerous behaviour.

The violence in Manly was mirrored in the coastal towns of Shellharbour to Sydney’s south and Port Macquarie to the north. Fights were also reported as far north as Queensland’s Gold Coast, where hundreds of teenagers clashed on a popular family beach.

See also : Manly ‘morons’ rampage was racist: academic, Georgina Robinson, Sydney Morning Herald, January 27, 2009

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123 Responses to “Fuck off we’re full.” (Of shit.)

  1. B.Dunk says:

    Let me keep this pure and simple… I am Anglo, my wife is Korean, my son is Taiwanese (previous marriage) so I can’t be classed as a racist but a Patriot Aussie descending from the First Fleet with Captain James Cook in 1788. No convicts in my blood, but a member of the House of Lords in England who was a classmate to Captain James Cook. Don’t believe me? Heard of Dunk Island? Anyway I’ll get to the point!

    Australia was founded by ‘Anglo-Saxons’ who were from the United Kingdom aka England under orders of our Kings and Queens (Anglo-Saxon) to allow Capt. James Cook (Anglo-Saxon) and his Endeavour (made by Anglo-Saxons) along with a small handful of 100 Convicts (Anglo-Saxons) to help maintain the expedition and also to guard Navigators (Anglo-Saxons), Chefs (Anglo-Saxons), Blacksmiths (Anglo-Saxons), Farmers (Anglo-Saxons), Accountants (Anglo-Saxons), Artists (Anglo-Saxons), Doctors (Anglo-Saxons) [et al] from any attacks on the Endeavour. So it clearly shows that Australia was proudly founded and owned by Anglo-Saxons. Pure and simple.

    Lol, don’t give me the crap about the Abos as they should be more thankful to us than making us keep saying sorry. If we were not here the Japanese were on a rampage to kill all blacks and whites so the world has Japanese blood. So start saying thank you as America couldn’t do it alone without us making a strong nation to defend ourselves.

    Please don’t mock our Anglo-Saxon heritage and the backbone of this country as we have every right to dig our heels deep in our land to protect it. Just like my wife (Korean) hates the Indians and SE Asians for destroying her country making slums and crying for a piece of their country and they have patriot Koreans just like every country but yet again Anglo-Australians are racist but no other race is. How the fuck does that work? Its our land by right so we can defend it by all means.

    If you were to look at a country like [sic] African, Pakistan, India, Arab Nations blowing each other up, drinking, washing, shitting and swimming in the river with half burnt corpses and slums filled will rats and cows and having thousands of family photos on Save the World Vision. Please send me money I’m starving and poor while riddled with alien diseases. Fuck. What is wrong with those nations you start to think. But on the other hand you start to look at Australia owned by Anglo-Saxons. We have clean Golden Beaches with fresh toilet blocks, Kids well fed running around in the park playing rugby (Anglo-Saxon) sport. Lots of jobs, lots of money, the list goes on and on… So tell me which country do you prefer: Fuck Ups or Anglo-Saxon Australia. We are not racist so Fuck off we are Full of Fuck Ups trying to change our country’s heritage. A note from my wife “Shut up and blend in or Fuck Off… Pure and simple”.

  2. @ndy says:

    Pure and simple?

    One might even go so far as to say pure and unadulterated simple-minded bullshit.

    i

    The First Fleet was composed of eleven vessels.
    The Endeavour was not one of them.
    Captain James Cook was not on board.
    You’re an ignoramus.

    The vessels were relatively small, under-supplied and massively overcrowded (especially for their convict prisoners). It was a commercial, for-profit operation, financed by the British Government.

    The voyagers were roughly divided into two: of the 1,500 or so on board, half were convicts. All were from England, most from London. The oldest female convict was 82-year-old Dorothy Handland. Convicted of perjury, she hanged herself from a tree in 1789: Australia’s first recorded suicide.

    Such glories.

    ii

    When the Fleet set sail in 1787, George III (1738–1820) was King of Great Britain and King of Ireland; the United Kingdom (of Great Britain and Ireland) was formed several years after the Fleet’s arrival, in 1801, and was dissolved (in name) in 1927, five years after the formation of the Irish Free State (Ireland minus the Six Counties/’Northern Ireland’) later termed Ireland (or Éire).

    iii

    The ‘Anglo-Saxons’ are descendants of the Germanic tribes what invaded contemporary ‘Great Britain’ in the 5th century AD. Anglo-Saxon kingship imposed itself upon the existant populations of this part of the world until the 11th century, at which point the Normans (Norsemen/Northmen/Men of the North) overthrew Anglo-Saxon rule and established their own form of tyranny.

    1066 And All That.

    iv

    George III gave royal approval to colonise Australia, but the plan was hatched by bureaucrats belonging to Pitt’s government, partly in response to the loss of the American colonies following the War of Independence, and partly as a presumed, crackpot ‘solution’ to the ‘problem’ of the social scum overflowing England’s hulks and jails. Access to raw materials for ship-building to augment inter-imperialist rivalry with the French also provided a motivating factor.

    v

    The arts and sciences of late eighteenth century England were products of history, and constituted not an ‘Anglo-Saxon essence’ but an amalgamation of ideas and practices drawn from a vast range of sources, both European and non-European. Regarding navigation, for example, the astrolabe was highly developed in the Islamic world by 800 and was introduced to Europe from Islamic Spain (Andalusia) in the early 12th century. Accountancy depends upon mathematics: mathematics has roots in ancient Egypt and Babylonia; it grew rapidly in ancient Greece. These sources were translated into Arabic. Mathematics developed in India was also translated into Arabic. Later, some of this mathematics was translated into Latin, which became the mathematics of Western Europe.

  3. B.Dunk says:

    Lol, I can’t really sit here and talk to someone like you from an ethnic background manipulating history with your non-Anglo Indian factory made books on our history. Did you know Wikipedia has been changed so much to suit the non-Anglo theories to make us look bad, bloody hell! Get off reading those shit. So you kinda need to beef up your education. Look and learn, Captain James Cook discovered Australia (East Coast) including all related history with the discovery of Australia was and always be an Anglo-Saxon Nation. Get over it.

    Huh! 1500 convicts and a handful of diplomats? Why didn’t the convicts all gang up on the tiny handful of diplomats and turn it into a murderous convict/viking looters of the world holding England for ransom as soon as they left England. But really they got here in one peace. Learn your maths, if your a Ship Building Engineer you would know ships in those days could not fit more than 1500 people… so huh! 1000 convicts with 500 [diplomats] or 500 convicts with 1000 [diplomats]! Have you found the odds or you say half 750 both ways, hmmm! Out in the middle of nowhere sounds like a bad idea to take the risk. What you hear and know from your narrow minded propaganda is just a heresy to attack our proud Aussies.

    I agree it was an ill fated trip but along the way that’s where mateship started ’cause when they got here they made paradise for you and I today. So stop dissing the backbone of Australia when all they do is want to be proud and happy with their heritage. By the way, did you know Australia was originally named New Holland-(Anglo-Saxon)-Dutch.

    Anyway Andy, which do you prefer a nation like India, Pakistan, Arab Nations or Anglo-Saxon Australia?

    It’s not too hard is it.

  4. @ndy says:

    Lol, I can’t really sit here and talk to someone like you from an ethnic background manipulating history with your non-Anglo Indian factory made books on our history.

    Correct. By the same token, you really can’t write either. Or think good. In fact, reading your replies is akin to being flogged by a warm lettuce leaf. And while I enjoy munching curry as much as the next whinging pommy bastard, I’m forced to conclude that you’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer / a few peas short of a casserole / a few sandwiches short of a picnic / a few beers short of a six-pack.

    Did you know Wikipedia has been changed so much to suit the non-Anglo theories to make us look bad, bloody hell! Get off reading those shit. So you kinda need to beef up your education. Look and learn, Captain James Cook discovered Australia (East Coast) including all related history with the discovery of Australia was and always be an Anglo-Saxon Nation. Get over it.

    Wikipedia may be the sole fount of your wisdom, but you may be surprised to learn that there’s also this crazy new thing called ‘books’. Generally speaking, books are printed on paper, made from wood pulp: a technique pioneered in China in the second century AD, but only adopted by Europeans over 1,000 years later. Books may be found in strange and exotic places called libraries. The State Library of Victoria, for example, has literally millions of these spooky items.

    Despite it being vewy scawy, I managed to master the art of reading books at the age of 4 or 5. As a result of this incredible capacity to read, among the many amazing things I’ve discovered since then is that The First Fleet was composed of eleven vessels, of which The Endeavour was not one (and Captain James Cook was nowhere to be found on any of them).

    I’m sorry if this makes you cry. If it makes you feel better, blame the ethnics. Or Wikipedia.

    Huh! 1500 convicts and a handful of diplomats?

    You have trouble reading, obviously, and are deeply suspicious of book-learning, but you also have remarkable difficulty with basic comprehension and math.

    I noted that there were approximately 1,500 passengers on board the First Fleet, of whom roughly half were convicts. Half of 1,500 is not 1,500, it’s 750. I also made no reference to ‘diplomats’, or any other remarks about the crew on the First Fleet (apart from the fact that Captain James Cook was not one of them).

    Why didn’t the convicts all gang up on the tiny handful of diplomats and turn it into a murderous convict/viking looters of the world holding England for ransom as soon as they left England. But really they got here in one peace. Learn your maths, if your a Ship Building Engineer you would know ships in those days could not fit more than 1500 people… so huh! 1000 convicts with 500 [diplomats] or 500 convicts with 1000 [diplomats]! Have you found the odds or you say half 750 both ways, hmmm! Out in the middle of nowhere sounds like a bad idea to take the risk. What you hear and know from your narrow minded propaganda is just a heresy to attack our proud Aussies…

    You can learn about the voyage of the First Fleet by reading about it. For example, in the diaries of such men as Watkin Tench. The common denominator among the convicts was youth, and ill-fortune. There was one gardener, one fisherman, and very few skilled tradesmen. The expedition was organised by men whose gross incompetence (frequently remarked upon by Captain Phillip) may be profitably compared to your own gross ignorance of history, politics, economy and society. Those subject to transportation were poor, mostly illiterate, ill-fed and ill-treated, kept in chains, almost always in darkness, and had very little idea of the nature of their voyage or the troubles that would greet them on their arrival. It was a 15,000-mile journey which took 252 days: 48 died during the passage.

    You are the weakest link.

    Goodbye.

  5. Bron says:

    Good grief. This is some of the Anglo-Saxon stock we’ve got in Australia?

    Fucking hell.

    That’s all I can say. Too flabbergasted.

  6. Val says:

    In reply to the uneducated morons who start their racist comments with “I’m not racist or anything but … Blah, blah, blah …” you need to take your hillbilly selves out of your white trash houses and learn the true history of this country and how the Caucasians (some of whom were my ancestors) massacred the ORIGINAL inhabitants of this country.
    For well over 40000 years this country was occupied by a race of dark skinned … yes I said DARK SKINNED people who lived in harmony with the land only taking what they needed to survive.
    Then along came a ship or two, one of which I think was called the Endeavour, and located this already occupied land.
    Their own country was overpopulated and full of pestilence and criminals, many of whom were forced to survive on ships in the harbour. They needed somewhere to offload their hardened criminals, many who stole food, clothing and money to survive and feed their families.
    They decided they wanted this land and forcibly took it then raped and pillaged their way through the Native population killing innocent women and children along the way. The diseases they bought with them also had a devastating effect on the Indigenous people. The remaining Indigenous population were forced to learn the language and culture of the invaders.

    If you believe no one in Australia is racist well you really need to take a walk with my three law abiding and highly intelligent daughters as they go about their daily business. They cannot walk into a shop without being followed (until the staff realise these clean and tidy dark skinned young women are with me).
    These girls have IQs above average and are always polite and respectable to those who treat them as equals.
    Of course, like their angry Caucasian mother (I am descended from Irish and English convicts and Scottish free settlers), they can give as good as they get when racist jerks disrespect them and their right to live equally with EVERY other Australian citizen.

    Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t it obvious that visa violations would be committed by people who are not citizens … How can a citizen commit a visa violation when they are allowed to live in this country?
    As for expecting “us” to put up with them speaking their language and following their culture … they are just copying the tradition set down by our ancestors when they arrived just over 200 years ago …

  7. Bombnail says:

    Shut the fucking gates and breed our own!
    Immigrants’ [no apostrophe required] are raping our daughters and bashing our sons, claiming social security and raping our environment.
    I don’t want to live in a multicultural society, that’s why we have different countries, so everyone can live in their own with their own fucking race.
    Do the stats on Australian crime and immigrants are the majority.
    These fuckers come from war torn countries and come here to escape it, but it[‘]s deep seeded [seated not seeded] in their heads and they bring it all here, fuck off all you Asians, Lebs, Muslims, Islanders and the like, your [you’re not your] ruining our country, do a nationwide referendum (excluding the immigrants) and you will find the majority of us real Aussies don’t want you here, but our fucked up government would never do that, and keep brain washing our children with multi-cultural acceptance in our schools, it will come to our demise, this beautiful country is on a path to destruction.
    The Cronulla riots are just a taste of things to come!
    They are building Muslim schools and mosques and the fucking towel head mother fuckers are secretly planning attacks on innocent Australians within them.
    Fucking Islam, and Ulla, get these cunts out of our country before it’s too late and some huge terrorism attack goes down at a major sporting event and wipes out 1000’s [no apostrophe required] of my brothers and sisters.
    Their [They’re not Their] all fucking terrorists in my eyes.
    The Asians are down the beaches, raping our fish, putting every catch through their mincers, undersized fish, everything, stripping our rocks from any living crustacean, netting our rivers, taking everything.
    Do some research on what the Asians are doing in North Aus, living in tree houses and stripping the rivers of our Mud Crabs and sending them to Japan and China, the females are considered a delicacy and even though it is illegal for an Aussie to take a Jenny (female mud crab) in NSW, the Asians can take as many of them as they want in Qld, then sell them back to us, and export them back to other Asians.
    They have depleted all their own natural marine resources and now they’re here annihilating ours.
    For [f]uck[‘]s sake, if we don’t put a halt to this environmental slaughter our country will be doomed.
    Hey a multi culture [sic] society could be ok if we were importing disease free, educated and happy people, that contribute to our country and mix with the real Aussies that grew here ([n]ot [f]lew [h]ere) respected our way of life our laws our Christian beliefs, but we’re not!
    Instead we are importing angry, diseased, war driven, Ulla worshiping, anti-Australian, anti-Christian, uneducated and environmental destroying scum.
    I just hope the terrorist attack that will eventually happen in Australia, happen’s [sic] at a Government function.
    Then these cunts may realize that multi-culturalism isn’t working!!!
    SHUT THE FUCKING GATES!!! WERE FULL!!!

  8. @ndy says:

    Nailbomb for Bombnail:

    Violence is what you breed
    Racism is what you breed
    Hate is what you breed
    What do you expect me to be?

    Peace brother, fuck you bastard
    I don’t need your false friendship
    Freedom is a bunch of shit
    This is a world of shit

    Misery is what we see
    Murder is what we see
    Ignorance is what we see
    What do you expect me to be?

    Nailbomb = Max Cavalera (Brazil) Alex Newport (UK) Igor Cavalera (Brazil) Andreas Kisser (Brazil) Dino Cazares (US) D.H. Peligro (US) Evan Seinfeld (US) Rhys Fulber (Canada).

    The point of remarking upon this may well escape you.

    Btw, I seem to remember you dropping by at some previous stage, spouting the same li(n)es.

    Don’t have a heart attack honey!

    PS. Learn how: to spell / to construct a logical argument / to provide evidence for your claims.

  9. Jackson Kaviel says:

    Ahaha, Andy i am your fan. You are really good with words. I wish i was, but for now i am content reading yours. You know? i was always under the impression that with time human beings as species will evolve, but i was wrong. Look at these people acting worse than animals. It’s so unfortunate that Jesus sacrificed his life for scum like these. KARMA is unforgivable and unforgiving, always remember that. And soon it will be time to collect. And the best thing about Karma? one can not hide from it.

  10. liz says:

    “The Asians are down the beaches, raping our fish.”

    Thank you so much for this. I honestly haven’t laughed so much for a very very long time.

  11. @ndy says:

    Why is the Left silent about Asians down the beaches raping our fishes?

    It’s political correctness gone mad.

  12. Anthony says:

    Haha I love you andy, but I’m pretty sure half these idiots wouldn’t be acting this way if it wasn’t for the anonymity of the internet. Still… good work owning them with logic and facts while they ramble on making up shit lol. 🙂

  13. haya says:

    Not all aussies are like that. I’m australian and i should know. It is just the same as every other country. You shouldn’t be so quick to judge. Anyway i think that if you came to australia you would see that we aren’t all like that. I am proud to have people from different nations come to australia, many people in Australia have the same view as me. It is just a small few that think that way.

    haya

  14. pr2jd2b says:

    I don’t blame you for your comments MD.
    Don’t go to Perth, total strangers will swear at you as you walk the streets minding your own business.
    I have been in Australia for 35 years and it’s been nothing but an uphill battle, at work they refuse to work with you because they feel threatened (migrants take jobs notion) or you are politically incorrect if you compete against the other gender and I have on more than one occasion found myself on the streets asking myself what did I do wrong?
    I am now retired, I bought a block of land in the country and started building a house for myself and my wife, most of my neighbours are ok, but one said “I can please myself who I talk to”. I replied “I know, the novelty soon wears off…” She also said “If you call the police you’re in real trouble” after I caught a youth buying or selling drugs and another who stole some tools from my property. Did I get any recognition for my efforts? Nope, the Local Council served me with a notice to vacate my land IMMEDIATELY saying that I was affecting the amenities of the Neighbourhood! Queensland is known as “Redneck State” and Australians (80%) are known uneducated bigots and anti-academics who say “It’s not what you know but who you know that matters” and the only culture they have is the Football, Cricket, XXXX beer and Marijuana. Employment in some Public Service Departments is rife with Nepotism.
    If you don’t have fair skin, blue eyes and blonde hair don’t come to Australia if you value your sanity…
    See also some videos on YouTube, search on “Pr2jd2b”.

  15. Jennifer Hawkins says:

    Australia is a country of immigrants, but the white Aussies just think that this island belongs to them only.

    The fact is, the Britain send their convicts to here, killed the Aborigines and stole this island, and then even formed a so-called white Australia to against Asian people coming to this place.

    Is this animal characteristics called ‘white pride, world wide’? Why the white Oz youths are grown like this in Australia? Like a bunch of conservative old farts?

    Do you think Australia could survive without help from China and Japan? If the Chinese and Japanese suddenly stopped their investments in Australia, this British colony will be died.

  16. pr2jd2b says:

    I think the situation could be even worst than most people could envisage.
    A few years ago I used to live in Murgon (Qld) and I suspected that a group of people there favoured the White Australia Policy and the KKK, and I was snabbed [?] when I mentioned this.
    Sometime later, it was reported in the local media that Murgon Police had to deal with the problem.

    Is Australia the ideal breeding ground for “Ethnic Cleansing”? Judging from the events in Cronulla and Manly Beach I would say yes, unless the Government decides to take these issues seriously rather than keeping up appearances for the sake of votes.

    Will the Anti-Christ be an Anglo-Australian? Or is Ben Laddin a better candidate? Leave you to decide…

  17. aussie says:

    @ weez first of all, i believe the site “fuck off we are full” has been overrun by 1 person leaving the multiculturists with out a leg to stand on
    @ everyone else, how can someone have an opinion who doesnt live in this country after reading that article that was clearly a one sided article that had no depth as to the truth (it didnt even mention why the riots started!)
    what is happening in this country is what happend to america (a disaster)
    multiculturist (do gooders) need to take a step back and have a look at what they are defending here. although it is turning into a racial matter, which is sickning, its most likly caused because people are angry that they have no say in their/their kids future. why shoudnt they be? why cant they have a say?
    truth is there is room in australia, but the majority want it to stay that way, thats why its beautiful and not a overcrowded shithole, and as for the dickheads that say australians are lazy, get a fuckin life..australians are extremly hard working..wanting to work 5 days and enjoy the rest with your family/friends or just wanting to live life is lasy? dickheads, thats what makes this country better than most, we didnt have to revolve our life around work to pay the bills
    the sad reality is muticulturism is destroying australia for many reasons. its the people vs the goverment and its greed, i can only hope..because if my children end up living in filth im going to be one angry australian

  18. aussie says:

    eye-on-immigration.blogspot.com
    before anyone sais anything read this …all of it!
    then maybe u will think again when u try to argue a point u dont have and jenny china japenese investors are part of the problem u uneducated idiot
    do u think they would like there culture taken away from them?
    i dought it

  19. aussie says:

    this is australian/aboriginal land
    i hope all of u multiculturist DONT have a concience
    u might be better off without it in 20 years time

  20. aussie says:

    oh and andy, although your opinion is respected, im not sure that critising someone elses opinion is, especially when you critisis them for not having facts and then go on with 3 paragraphs of dog shit (trying harder to be funny than put up a good arument). its not about skin colour its just the simple fact muticulturism doesnt work in such large numbers, it took me about a year to work that out. how long will it take u? i hope u consider this fact, because soon the australian culture will be a minority and u wont have a say.

  21. @ndy says:

    aussie aussie aussie,

    oi oi oi.

    I’m not especially concerned about the fact that people who live in Australia come from or express different kinds of ‘culture’ (literally, ‘way of life’). Usually, when someone says ‘multicultural’ they mean ‘multi-ethnic’ or ‘multinational’ or ‘multiracial’ (note that ‘multi’ simply means ‘many’) — I’m not sure exactly what you mean when you use the term. In any case, what concerns me more than ‘multiculturalism’ are things like human rights, social justice, ecological preservation, and Collingwood winning at the footy. These sorts of things have long been part of Australian culture, and I don’t see them going away any time soon.

  22. Eric says:

    I think I saw a bit of nipple at 0:45

  23. @ndy says:

    You see nipples everywhere Eric

  24. aussie says:

    maybe you should look up the definition of multicultural then get back to me.

    dont manipulate my very straight forward, very simple words. culture is culture.

    if you are so open minded about the people of the world, it shouldnt be to hard to comprehend this possibility. do you really believe anglo australians are the only problem in australia? who are u trying to kid? do u really think a whole country was born to be racist pieces of shit? nothing wrong with migration, we are a multicultural country. but we are NOT a precautious country, some people believe the lies. i just see greed, over crowded city’s, and a division between cultures that havn’t yet adapted to each other and at this rate prob never will, certain people will mix but the majority will stick to their own, and that goes for everyone, not just australians. people like you andy are good people, but we all know nice guys (countrys) finish last.

    i would like for someone to give me a good example of where “muticulturism” or more importantly “mass migration” has been a success. enlighten me.

  25. @ndy says:

    aussie,

    oi.

    i don’t have the ♥ today. in the meantime…

  26. @ndy says:

    maybe you should look up the definition of multicultural then get back to me.

    Put simply: you’ve stated that you oppose some thing called ‘multiculturalism’ because it’s literally destroying Australia, but you haven’t defined ‘multiculturalism’ or explained how it’s imperiling the country. So: define ‘multiculturalism’. What is ‘multiculturalism’, according to you? Secondly, explain how and why it’s destroying Australia. Be specific. Give examples.

    do you really believe anglo australians are the only problem in australia?

    No. Which is why I’ve never claimed to. Or to put it another way: I think that Australia has lots of ‘problems’, but what I think these ‘problems’ are, and how they might be fixed, is not necessarily what other people think. So for example: you think some thing called ‘multiculturalism’ is literally destroying Australia; when I think of things that are literally destroying Australia, I think of things like air, soil and water pollution, de-forestation, desertification, global warming, salination, soil erosion, species extinction and so on.

    do u really think a whole country was born to be racist pieces of shit?

    No. At least, I don’t think so. But then, I’m not sure exactly what you mean. If you actually read what the planners of the British colony that became Australia wrote about the convict population they sent here to colonise it, you’d be excused for thinking that they viewed these early ‘pioneers’ as being little better than pieces of shit — but I think that, in this context, what they were expressing was the contempt that the rich and powerful have for the poor, not racism. Beyond this, I’d suggest that, for most of its history, Australians — ‘Anglo’ Australians — have been informed by highly racialised forms of identity, of history and of society.

    i would like for someone to give me a good example of where “muticulturism” [sic] or more importantly “mass migration” has been a success. enlighten me.

    Again: depends on how you define ‘multiculturalism’, and what you mean by ‘success’. As for mass migration: human beings have been criss-crossing the globe for millenia.

    If you want to be enlightened, go to a library, borrow some books on multiculturalism, Australian history, environment and society, and read them.

  27. aussie says:

    Im not sure exactly what u need here to understand my point/opinion.

    So from the start..it annoys me that you have this blog for one reason, it doesnt [state] any reason as to why the riots started. i dont like the way these kids got a point [across] but, i do understand why [their] frustration could lead to something so [inhumane].

    If people are going to live around each other, doesnt it make sense that to some degree people should all be adapted to a similar culture? ([preferably] one similar to the culture of the country they are living in.) definition of culture below.

    Culture refers to the cumulative deposit of knowledge, experience, beliefs, values, attitudes, meanings, hierarchies, religion, notions of time, roles, spatial relations, concepts of the universe, and material objects and possessions acquired by a group of people in the course of generations through individual and group striving.

    Culture is the systems of knowledge shared by a relatively large group of people.

    Culture is communication, communication is culture.

    Culture in its broadest sense is cultivated behavior; that is the totality of a person’s learned, accumulated experience which is socially transmitted, or more briefly, behavior through social learning.

    A culture is a way of life of a group of people–the behaviors, beliefs, values, and symbols that they accept, generally without thinking about them, and that are passed along by communication and imitation from one generation to the next.

    Culture is symbolic communication. Some of its symbols include a group’s skills, knowledge, attitudes, values, and motives. The meanings of the symbols are learned and deliberately perpetuated in a society through its institutions.

    Culture consists of patterns, explicit and implicit, of and for behavior acquired and transmitted by symbols, constituting the distinctive achievement of human groups, including their embodiments in artifacts; the essential core of culture consists of traditional ideas and especially their attached values; culture systems may, on the one hand, be considered as products of action, on the other hand, as conditioning influences upon further action.

    Culture is the sum of total of the learned behavior of a group of people that are generally considered to be the tradition of that people and are transmitted from generation to generation.

    Culture is a collective programming of the mind that distinguishes the members of one group or category of people from another.

    [Source]

    This definition makes it very clear why people that ARE living very [separate] from each other, in one country, would not get along. (similar to how cool people only like cool people and dorks only like dorks.) and so you know, my opinion of “multicultural” is more than one of the definition above. simple.

    When I say, do u really think anglo australians are the only problem in australia, i am saying, other cultures are also a problem, lol. simple again. but if u want me to go on, and this is just an opinion i have [visually] formed from living in one of [australia’s] citys, some other cultures can be very fucking dangerous, especially the small gangs in the citys, they dont value life and dont give a fuck about yours. we take boat people in simply because its the australian way, the problem is, do these people have an attitude were they would do the same for us? they even throw there own kids overboard. so my guess is no..its a similar theory to nice guys finish last. (the australian attitude is always trying to be the good guy.) this is happening throughout australia and is a big part of the reason the [cronulla] riots started, its human nature, you can only push people so far, then [their] natural instinct will be to defend themselves. so if u like, people with different cultures are changing australias culture in a way that will take the good out of [their] culture/country. australians are now defending themselves.

    I am aware of our history, i dont see the importance, i am defending our culture not white people. i dont care who comes here as long as the culture is respected, i do however see your point to do with the rich and the poor, which is another big problem in australia more so linked to the filthy scum that is in australias government. its why over 1 million people (mass migration) are moving to this country every year, there quality of life will go up, the everyday persons will go down.. it will throw the balance out.

    did you [search] the link i tried to put up?, i dont need to be enlightened and i hate reading books.

  28. @ndy says:

    Im not sure exactly what u need here to understand my point/opinion.

    Thus far, what I understand you to be claiming is that some Thing called “multiculturalism” is Bad. Really Bad. In fact, so Bad that it threatens to destroy Australia. You also seem to think that immigration is Bad (but not as Bad as Multiculturalism).

    So from the start..it annoys me that you have this blog for one reason, it doesnt [state] any reason as to why the riots started. i dont like the way these kids got a point [across] but, i do understand why [their] frustration could lead to something so [inhumane].

    This passage is a little bit confusing: I didn’t start this blog to discuss what happened in Cronulla in 2005. But maybe you’re simply referring to this one post? If so: I refer to Cronulla because what happened there has been viewed by many as significant: it gave expression to a popular mood. Also because, in the article I quote from (Violence mars Australia’s national day celebrations, Bonnie Malkin, The Daily Telegraph, January 27, 2009), the author draws a comparison between what happened in Cronulla and the scenes at Manly beach four years later. What the two events have in common is the involvement of a relatively large number of yoof, a ridiculously large number of flags, alcohol, and racial abuse. In other words, both events express a common sentiment: ‘fuck off we’re full’. Beyond that, I’ve referred to ‘Cronulla’ on a few other occasions, and think Liz Jackson’s report for 4 Corners was a useful account.

    If people are going to live around each other, doesnt it make sense that to some degree people should all be adapted to a similar culture? ([preferably] one similar to the culture of the country they are living in.)

    Kinda sorta. I mean: if what you mean is, ‘in order to live together relatively peacefully, the members of any particular society should have some things in common’; yeah, I agree. What those things are — or should be — is the $64,000 question. That’s also why I’ve asked you to define “multiculturalism”, and to explain why you think it’s so Bad, it’s going to destroy Australia. Further, in explaining your reasons for thinking this, to provide reasons — and to give specific, concrete examples of how this Evil is having this effect.

    Having said that, there are a number of definitions of “multiculturalism”. Given that our concern is Australia, a definition (one of several) provided by the Australian Government is appropriate (at least as a starting point). For example, in ‘A position paper by the Acting Race Discrimination Commissioner (2007)’, multiculturalism is defined in three different ways:

    as a demographic descriptor;
    as a set of norms;
    as government policy.

    The first definition simply describes a fact: Australians come from many different countries, speak many different languages, hold different religious and political beliefs, and so on and so on and so on.

    Secondly, “In addition to being a demographic fact, multiculturalism can be seen as a set of norms or principles that uphold the right of the individual to retain, express and enjoy their culture. It also upholds the right of all individuals to have access to and participate in the social, cultural, economic and political life of the country to which they belong.”

    Finally, “In many countries, including Australia, the norms of multiculturalism have been incorporated into a policy approach which seeks to recognise, manage, and maximise the benefits of diversity. As one commentator put it, ‘multiculturalism is a set of practical policies aimed variously at improving the absorption of migrants and harmoniously integrating a culturally diverse society around liberal democratic values.’ As such, multiculturalism is a conscious political and social choice made by the state and society in response to diversity.”

    This policy, which has undergone various changes over time, was developed in response to mass migration to Australia following the end of WWII, and especially since the 1970s. But throughout the course of its development as government policy, ‘multiculturalism’ has always been expressed in terms of an underlying expectation that citizens adhere to some underlying values. Thus, as I’ve already noted above:

    “The freedom of all Australians to express and share their cultural values is dependent on their abiding by mutual civic obligations. All Australians are expected to have an overriding loyalty to Australia and its people, and to respect the basic structures and principles underwriting our democratic society. These are: the Constitution, parliamentary democracy, freedom of speech and religion, English as the national language, the rule of law, acceptance and equality.”

    Moar later.

  29. @ndy says:

    This definition makes it very clear why people that ARE living very [separate] from each other, in one country, would not get along. (similar to how cool people only like cool people and dorks only like dorks.) and so you know, my opinion of “multicultural” is more than one of the definition[s] above. simple.

    Your ability to Google a definition of the word ‘culture’, and to cut and paste this definition into a comment on my blog, demonstrates very little: it certainly doesn’t demonstrate why ‘multiculturalism’ is a disaster that threatens the very future of the country. You also appear to be confusing ‘culture’ with ‘multiculturalism’.

    Again: What is ‘multiculturalism’, according to you? Secondly, explain how and why it’s destroying Australia. Be specific. Give examples.

    When I say, do [you] really think [A]nglo [A]ustralians are the only problem in [A]ustralia, [I] am saying, other cultures are also a problem, lol. simple again.

    OK. So what you’re saying is that there are problems in all cultures?

    but if [you] want me to go on, and this is just an opinion [I] have [visually] formed from living in one of [Australia’s] [cities], some other cultures can be very fucking dangerous, especially the small gangs in the [cities], they don[‘]t value life and don[‘]t give a fuck about yours.

    I agree that gang culture can be dangerous, both to gang members and to those outside of gangs.

    And?

    When Christopher Wayne Hudson shot dead Brendan Keilar in June 2007, how was this evidence of the failure of multiculturalism? What about when Alphonse Gangitano shot Greg Workman (February 1995)? Did multiculturalism kill Alphonse Gangitano in 1998, or was it Jason Moran and Graham Kinniburgh? Who killed John Furlan and Charles Hegyaljie later that year? What about Vince Mannella, Danny Catania and Joseph Quadara? Or Dimitrios Belias and Vince’s brother Gerardo? Francesco Benvenuto? Richard Mladenich? Mark Moran? Dino Dibra? Was Victor Peirce a victim of multiculturalism, or could it have had something to do with drugs? What about Paul Kallipolitis? Nik Radev? Shane Chartres-Abbott? Jason Moran? Willie Thompson? Mark Mallia? Istvan “Steve” Gulyas (and his defacto partner)? When Michael Marshall was murdered in front of his son in October 2003, was Al Grassby really to blame? Why was Graham Kinniburgh killed later that year? Does the fact that Andrew Veniamin was shot dead by Domenic Gatto in a Carlton pizza restaurant signify the failure of the Italian community to assimilate Australian values, or do you you agree with the courts that Gatto acted in self-defence? Why was Lewis Moran murdered? Or Lewis Caine, or Terrence and Christine Hodson? Or…?

    Maybe manufacturing and selling illegal drugs is a way of making lots of money, fast. Maybe the illegal drugs trade is a risky business, and control of it is exercised through violence. Maybe that’s all why all them people got murdered in Melbourne over the last decade — not because of ‘multiculturalism’. Also, why is the homicide rate in Melbourne around 2 per 100,000, while in Miami it’s 14.7? On the other hand, how do you account for the fact that:

    The Sunday Age, with the assistance of Deakin University criminologist Ian Warren, attempted to test whether Melbourne really was violent, or comparatively safe. The truth appears to be mixed – and occasionally surprising. Compared with New York City, a city of 8 million, Melbourne – on a per-100,000 of the population basis – has more than twice the reported rapes, about a third the number of robberies and roughly two-thirds the number of homicides. Melbourne has high levels of sexual assault, a disturbing revelation that might have a bright side. ”I wouldn’t feel that was a black mark against Victoria,” says Associate Professor Mary Heath, who teaches criminal law at Flinders University. ”It means that people have the confidence to go and come forward.”

    Recently, two teenagers have been charged with the murder of Nitin Garg in January. Does murderous violence have something to do with yoof, perhaps? And why is it that the vast majority of murders are committed by men? Why is it that:

    Of the 28,298 victims of assault recorded in Victoria in 2009, 44% (12,388) reported knowing their offender. More female victims knew their offender than male victims (63% and 31% respectively). However, for sexual assault offences, which totalled 3,354 victims in 2009, a higher proportion of male victims knew their offender than female victims (73% and 66% respectively).

    What does this have to do with ‘multiculturalism’, or the fact that you feel threatened by small gangs in the city?

    we take boat people in simply because it[‘]s the [A]ustralian way, the problem is, do these people have an attitude [where] they would do the same for us? they even throw [their] own kids overboard. so my guess is no..

    ‘Boat people’ are asylum seekers. Asylum seekers are people who wish to claim asylum status in Australia. The Department of Immigration assesses these claims, under the terms of the Migration Act 1958, and in accordance with international law.

    That’s the theory, anyway.

    Sometimes their claims are proven to the satisfaction of the Department (and the legal system). Sometimes they are not. Since 1992, “the Australian way” is to put asylum seekers in prison — either in cities, in deserts, or on islands off the north coast.

    See :

    http://www.hreoc.gov.au/human_rights/immigration/asylum_seekers.html
    http://www.hreoc.gov.au/racial_discrimination/face_facts/chap3.html
    http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/#humanitarian

    Do asylum seekers believe that Australian citizens, should they require it, be able to apply for refugee status in other countries? Why don’t you find out?

    Do ‘boat people’ / asylum seekers throw their children overboard? No, they do not. That’s a myth, manufactured by the Tories in the run-up to the Federal election in 2001, and has been fully exposed as such, by both a Senate inquiry and numerous others. The false accusation of refugees throwing their children over the side was made by John HoWARd, Philip Ruddock and Peter Reith on October 7, 2001.

  30. @ndy says:

    it[‘]s a similar theory to nice guys finish last. (the [A]ustralian attitude is always trying to be the good guy.) this is happening throughout [A]ustralia and is a big part of the reason the [Cronulla] riots started, it[‘]s human nature, you can only push people so far, then [their] natural instinct will be to defend themselves. so if [you] like, people with different cultures are changing [A]ustralia[‘]s culture in a way that will take the good out of [their] culture/country. [A]ustralians are now defending themselves.

    You make little sense. You also make unsupported assertions.

    You appear to be claiming that trying to ‘do the right thing’ is a uniquely ‘Australian’ virtue — which is nonsense. Then you appear to be linking this idea — which is untrue, and just plain silly — with what happened at Cronulla. Given that you continue to believe politicians’ lies about asylum seekers throwing their kids overboard, I hate to think what you imagine ‘Cronulla’ was all about, but feel free to explain to me precisely what the drunken bozos were defending themselves from when they attacked the Bangladeshi students in their car, or why those guys on the train who got bashed deserved to be — and what, apart from walking around in the wrong-coloured skin, was their crime.

    For the third time: What is ‘multiculturalism’, according to you? Secondly, explain how and why it’s destroying Australia. Be specific. Give examples.

    I am aware of our history, [I] don[‘]t see the importance, [I] am defending our culture not white people. [I] don[‘]t care who comes here as long as the culture is respected, [I] do however see your point to do with the rich and the poor, which is another big problem in [A]ustralia more so linked to the filthy scum that is in [A]ustralia[‘]s government. [I]t[‘]s why over 1 million people (mass migration) are moving to this country every year, [their] quality of life will go up, the everyday persons will go down.. it will throw the balance out.

    Where to begin?

    If you don’t see the importance in studying and therefore knowing anything much about Australian history, you can hardly be in a position to talk meaningfully about its culture. Even — or perhaps especially — those people who claim to be Australian nationalists should take this kind of thing seriously.

    You understand yourself to be defending ‘Australian culture’, but you’re unable to define it, or articulate what about it is valuable, how it should be defended, or from whom. The closest you’ve come to making any substantial claim about Australia and its culture is that Australians try to be good and to do the right thing. This may or may not be true. I’d suggest that some Australians do good, some Australians do bad, and that what is ‘good’ and what is ‘bad’ is subject to dispute. In any case, the quality of trying to do the ‘right’ thing is hardly unique to Australians.

    In terms of history, you’re unaware that it was ‘scum’ like John HoWARd, Philip Ruddock, and Peter Reith who lied about children overboard — and it’s their lies that you continue to believe. It’s also untrue that over one million people migrate to Australia every year, and I’ve no idea where you plucked that figure from. According to the Department of Immigration & Citizenship: “The planning level for the 2009–10 Migration Program is set at 168 700 places. The Humanitarian Program is set at 13 750 places.” That’s 182,450 people, not 1,000,000.

    did you [search] the link i tried to put up?

    Yes, I looked at the blog.

    i don[‘]t need to be enlightened and i hate reading books.

    I rest my case.

  31. Iridium says:

    Oh goody. Aussies are conforming to the American worldview nicely. If it ain’t white, it’s fauna, eh?

  32. aussie says:

    before i go on. do you live in australia or have you lived in australia?
    Iridium. i can only think of one thing i like about america and thats dave matthews

  33. Lumpen says:

    i can only think of one thing i like about america and thats dave matthews

    1. I can only think of one thing I like about America, and thats Dave Matthews.

    2. You liking Dave Matthews explains a lot. If that’s the culture you mean to protect, you can keep it.

  34. reesie says:

    I have a solution. STOP BEING RACIST! You sound like a bunch of idiots. Just because someone has a darker skin tone, that doesn’t mean they’re going to have a bad attitude or be a bad person. Use common sense. I’m 16 and even I know that.

  35. aussie says:

    wow, u have managed to relate me liking dave mathews and culture you can use the shift button.. why bother wasting peoples time including your own.

    Reesie.. i often wonder where racism comes from and how to make it go away, just as an example, Obama. if people want to rid of the fact that skin colour is of importance, why all the fuss over him being the first black president, to rid of the perception of that there is no difference between people, it shouldn’t be spoken about, thought about or be treated as out of the ordinary. black rappers are the worst for this always using the word nigger and talking about skin colour thoughout their songs. why can black people dance better than white people? maybe the reality is is that we are different. im not sure? but its really complicated when u think about it. do u really have a soloution? people cant stop a problem without talking about the problem. as i said to andy i support immagration its a wonderful oppertunity for people to become one. if this is done over a long period of time i believe it will work. but if large numbers of people move to one place it creates an opportunity for them to live with their own ideals of life, in the lower class of society this can be a very bad thing, especially when someone is raised/comes from a hostile environment. this is why i dont support mass migration. a few examples of problems it can cause (from my personal experiences) just for you andy, is.

    1. there has been a few cases of muslims being offended by christmas carols in my local shopping centres.
    2. when i was 15/16 i worked as a truckies offsider on saturdays, we were driving through inala, there was a chinese gang and another gang of islanders, about 30 in each gang on a school oval. smashing the life out of each other with baseball bats. apparently this is common in inala which is a predominatly black suburb.
    3. when i was at schoolies an asian kid rudely demanded i give him a smoke, i told him to fuck off, 15 minutes later in the main street of the gold coast me and five friends were attacked by 20 asians most holding a knife. luckily we were out the front of a moterbike shop and a few bikies scared them off.

  36. reesie says:

    p.s. i highly doubt every white aussie is pure aussie. i no a lot of irish~australians and italian~australians so are you going to start distinguishing amongst that too? if you find pleasure in bringing people down because of their race, you truly are a pathetic loser with no life

  37. aussie says:

    who are u talking to reesie?

  38. @ndy says:

    On O’Bama:

    Not remarking on the very obvious fact that the 43 Presidents previous to O’Bama were white, and he is black, would not do much to combat racism in that country. In other words, the ‘fuss’ is — or was — for very obvious and quite unremarkable reasons. Further, not talking about something does not automatically make that something go away, and to believe otherwise is to engage in wishful thinking. On the other hand, you’re free not to care about the fact that the US has a black President. Or to contemplate the meaning of this.

    On black rappers:

    Like other pop *s, they say all kindsa crazy shit — it’s their job, and if record sales are anything to go by, millions of white suburban kids think they’re doing a pretty good one. In any case, use of the word ‘nigger’ by these rappers (and others) is an example of linguistic re-appropriation; one not without its problems, or one that meets with uniform approval.

    Beyond this, something like 40,000,000 blacks — not all of them rappers — live in the US. Among these millions of people, there are all sorts of differences: cultural, religious, economic, political and social. It’s both a big picture and a long story. Historically speaking, however, it’s important to note that blacks — or African-Americans — have constituted an oppressed group. Sadly, you hate reading books, so you’ll never learn about this history, the origins and history of the term ‘nigger’, the relationship between US history and popular culture, social change, language use or indeed, much of anything else.

    On Muslims offended by Christmas carols in your local shopping centre:

    Uh-huh. And? If, as you claim, some unknown Muslims were offended by songs dedicated to someone they recognise as being a prophet, then all this demonstrates is that they’re human.

    Human beings get offended by stuff.

    But again: so what? This has nothing to do with ‘multiculturalism’, and hardly constitutes evidence that it’s destroying Australia.

    On ethnic gang fights:

    Yeah. Sad eh? But again: so what? What about the Melbourne 1843 Election Day Irish-Catholic-Australian Riot? Was this riot more or less important to nation and state formation that the fight you witnessed? Why (not)? Either way: it hardly constitutes evidence that Multiculturalism Is Destroying Australia.

    Finally, I’m sorry to hear that some Asian guy and his mates tried to pick a fight with you. Obviously, arseholes come in all shapes, sizes and colours.

  39. [jake] says:

    hey andy do one of those criminal lists for sydney in the last 20 yrs

  40. aussie says:

    ah wow almost forgot about this blog, what can i say andy u seem be good at manipulating what i say, believe it or not andy but most people have better things to do other than reading books..therefore what i say and the way i say it, is as if i am talking to the everyday person who i assume doesnt read books on history, and someone who forms an opinion through a quite simple method called opening there eyes..
    obama was an example i used because i knew reesie would know what i was talking about, nothing more nothing less
    why would i waste my time caring about the history of the word nigger? all i need to know is its a bad word and needs to stop being used
    chistmas carols..it seems u have missed the very obvious point that i am making, moving into another country, and then being so fucked in the head (not to mention rude) u can change the culture of the country..i have muslim friends from school..is it just a coincidence that they also live with this idea in there head that the world does and will work how they want it to also, or would it just be better if i just said what im suppose to say (the do gooder way) that we are all just people and that we are all EXACTLY the same, and there is no coincidence?..like u said andy im only human, dont shoot me for stating the obvious
    ethnic gang fights..the simple fact u had to go back to the 1800s says enough for me to bother
    asian gang..yep u are right assholes do come in all shapes sizes and colours..but australians dont attack people with knifes for not giving someone a smoke and dont want it in their country

  41. aussie says:

    might i add, most of my work is based in the solomon islands, so i do understand what it is like to be the minority in a country.. to be called white shit.. have rocks thrown at me.. what do i do about it?.. respect them and their culture as all australians who work there are tought to do.. employ the locals.. do the best i can to understand them and there country.. most importantly.. change nothing they dont want us to

  42. @ndy says:

    aussie aussie aussie.

    oi oi oi.

    To re-cap:

    On June 9 you wrote “the sad reality is [muticulturalism] is destroying australia”. I asked you to define muticulturalism and to provide evidence to support your assertion. You’ve done neither.

  43. Equally Proud Aussie says:

    I honestly have a hard time believing that these are the people who populate our country. I’m having a very, very hard time telling which of the racist posters are trolls, and which are genuinely the racist, xenophobic arseholes who voted in Pauline Hanson and her ilk – in order to preserve my faith that mankind is not made up entirely of easily-led, small-minded, illogical, bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling, I’m opting for the former in the majority of cases. I deeply, deeply respect the fact that you take both the time and the effort to answer such people, as abundantly clear as it is that their inbuilt and long-nurtured prejudices won’t be dispelled anytime soon. Keep it up, mate!

    Also, aussie – I think Andy’s done a pretty excellent job of deconstructing your pathetic excuse for a coherent thought already, but I’d like to point out a few other points.

    Some people, in fact, are able to find the time to, and frequently do, read books. It’s part of a thing we call education in this country, which by coincidence is the same process that is generally hoped to remedy horrendous attempts at spelling such as yours after a mere 13 years.
    Speaking as someone who’s seen and knows of a number of cases of Australian gangs attacking people with knives, I think you’re entirely wrong. Admittedly, the one particular case that springs most vividly to my mind wasn’t because nobody would give them a smoke – instead, it was a kid at my school in Year 8 who copped it for looking at them funny.

    Just quietly, the fact that you have friends who are Muslims doesn’t mean that your opinions are automatically not racist. Logic fail, right there.

    On Muslims not being appreciative of Christmas carols in a shopping centre: So…if you move to another country, you should automatically take the median view of the entirety of society at that time? Because EVERYONE loves cultural homogeneity…

    In conclusion, you’re a twat. I hope that nobody out there shares or values your opinion, but the sad reality is that they probably do. People like you are the reason they should put a minimum IQ requirement on voting.

  44. aussie says:

    andy, culture in my opinion/view on culture, of the top of my head is…

    ~created over a long period of time, thoughout generations
    ~a way of life
    ~an understanding of whats acceptable in society and whats not between people that they learn in society
    ~is influenced from money, religion, surroundings

    not sure why its relavant, but if u can imagine, this is why in my eyes, muticulturism is nothing but a disaster waiting to happen, although i think culture varies around australia due to anything that might change it (money, religion, surroundings ect), it is much more similar to other cultures out side of australia, a few in particular.

    thats culture, multicultural is when cultures are mixed, or attempted to at least. if thats not what u want your going to have to explain it better.

    @equally proud aussie

    wowzas, well we have something in common, people like u amaze me to! why did you come to talk to me about how ignorant i am, with nothing relavant and ignorance dribbling out the side of your mouth?

    1, i imagine andy replies because he has a interest in the subject, an opinion he feels strongly about, and maybe it has occured to him that some people disagree with him? (it might even be why he started a blog? who knows)

    2, you think andy has deconstructed my argument, would it be fair to say that u had that opinion without even reading my argument, or does the thought of you trying to understand an opinion that differs from yours just go in the to hard basket

    3. thats great that people read books man, but as i already said i dont D.O.N.T. i draw pictures in my spare time, is that ok with you boss? my writing is readable which is ok considering my job has sweet fuck all to do with writing spelling ect… what is dumb of me though is that i am only just starting to realise, that u wrote all that irrelevant shit, hey, you could have just asked andy if you could have sucked his cock, might of saved some time?

    4. i never tried to give the impression, having muslim friends doesnt make me racist, being unsure or having an opinion of future events based on culture and why i dont think they mix (for good reason) is not relavant to do with race or being racist, sounds more to me like u are using the racist call to make me look racist.

    5. although u like to call it cultural homogenity for some reason (dare i ask?), yeh i think that is exactly what everyone wants.

    6. in conclusion, i just wanted to congratulate u on finishing your dribble, and to even take it to the next step and finish it off with a good old fashioned attempt at an insult… although im pritty sure andy gives browny points for them 😉 , i dont. although im going to have to deduct a few of you because judge people and give them a value of self worth, due to how intelligent u think they are. i think im going to call u the “equally hypocritical aussie” adios!

  45. @ndy says:

    aussie,

    OK.

    A few things.

    1. ‘Equally Proud Aussie’ — whoever they are — can obviously speak for themselves, so I’ll leave them to respond to your comments if they wish.

    2. As you’ve chosen to pass over in silence my previous comment, I believe my point has been made: you’ve not been able to defend your central contention, viz, ‘muticulturalism is destroying Australia’.

    3. Yes: ‘culture’ means ‘way of life’. Also, cultures have histories. That is, they change over time. Australia in 2010 is not Australia in 1960, or 1910, or 1860, or 1810 or… well, I’ll leave it at that, for the time being.

    ‘What’s acceptable and what’s not’ is also referred to as ‘social norms’. These too change over time, both as a consequence of law — what’s unlawful and what’s not — and as a result of social custom — what’s expected and what’s not.

    As for ‘money, religion and surroundings’ — yeah, them too. They also influence culture. A lot.

    As for ‘multiculturalism’: yeah, it’s confusing, partly ’cause different people employ different definitions. You still haven’t defined what you mean by it; I’ve provided standard definitions as employed in official government discourse. Again, and on the basis that continued repetition may bring it to your attention:

    In terms of Australian society, for several decades the state has been dedicated to a policy known as ‘multiculturalism’ (as opposed to what you refer to as “a pluralized monoculture”). In most public discourse, this is read as meaning the maintenance of ethnic boundaries (which, as I suggested earlier, are considered synonymous with culture), and little else. However, what is often unrecognised is that this policy was formulated quite explicitly within a political context, and that context is framed by a commitment to Australian institutions. Thus:

      The freedom of all Australians to express and share their cultural values is dependent on their abiding by mutual civic obligations. All Australians are expected to have an overriding loyalty to Australia and its people, and to respect the basic structures and principles underwriting our democratic society. These are: the Constitution, parliamentary democracy, freedom of speech and religion, English as the national language, the rule of law, acceptance and equality.

    So, ‘multiculturalism’ meaning ‘many ways of life’ meaning many diets, fashions, arts, literatures and musics, sports and hobbies, and so on, and so forth.

    You think this is ‘destroying Australia’. I don’t. I think things like air, soil and water pollution, de-forestation, desertification, global warming, salination, soil erosion and species extinction are.

    On book-learning:

    This work deals with the highly topical issue of multiculturalism and, as such, a warning is necessary. It is written for those who are, or aspire to be, members of the intellectual elite. These are the people who believe that knowledge is the product of hard labour; the people who believe that you need to do a great deal of time-consuming research, read a lot of books and reflect on many difficult philosophical, empirical and theoretical issues to produce intelligent knowledge.

    In John HoWARd’s Australia, there seem to be many individuals who feel ‘relaxed and comfortable’ in talking about issues about which they haven’t bothered to read a single researched article, let alone a book. Apparently, ‘life taught them’. In fact, such people are so ‘relaxed and comfortable’ that they believe that the more someone works at trying to learn about an issue, the more they become part of an ignorant and arrogant lot: the intellectual elite. The role of this elite is apparently simply to put down naturally intelligent people and find ways to stop them from expressing the truth they capture so effortlessly by merely living.

    When I used to visit my grandmother in Bathurst in the late 1970s, she would often make comments such as ‘You’ve been reading too much’ or, even more explicitly, ‘People who go to university become mad.’ Although such comments helped me reflect on how and why university knowledge clashed with everyday knowledge, I resented pronouncements such as ‘You have read books, but life has taught me.’ I used to say, ‘But Granny, I have a life as well you know, and it teaches me too. Can’t you see that books and research provide me with extra knowledge.’ I was naive even to try.

      The so-called ‘intelligentsia’ always looks down with a really limitless condescension on anyone who has not been dragged through the obligatory schools and had the necessary knowledge pumped into him. The question has never been: ‘What are the man’s abilities?’ but ‘what has he learned?’ To these ‘educated’ people the biggest empty-head, if he is wrapped in enough diplomas, is worth more than the brightest boy who happens to lack these costly envelopes.

    This is neither my granny, nor any of Australia’s anti-intellectual populists speaking, but Adolf Hitler. And I cannot help thinking of him when people start abusing intellectuals. Hitler was the classic anti-intellectual: a man who had enough intellect to be a mediocre intellectual and enough also to realise that he wasn’t a member of the intellectual elite. Like many mediocre intellectuals, he thought he had a natural talent for knowledge, rather than realising how much hard work is put into whatever knowledge people end up gathering.

    Hitler was not, however, the sort of person who would just sit there and take it. He was too motivated by dreams of social, political and intellectual mobility to allow himself to just sulk and do nothing. So, he found the time-honoured way to ‘beat’ the intellectual elite. This is the road often chosen by people who want to be recognised as intellectuals, but who are either not socially equipped to be so or feel they have better things to do than putting in the hard labour necessary to achieve such a status. These people compensate for their lack of knowledge by speaking in the name of ‘the people’. ‘The people’ becomes such a formula of success for mediocre intellectuals that they make themselves — and some others, too — believe that they actually are ‘the people’.

    The mechanism is very simple: 1) ‘The people’ already know everything there is to know: ‘life taught them’. 2) Consequently, anything that the ‘intellectual elite’ says which is not known by the people is superfluous knowledge, if not actively against the people. 3) Therefore, any attack on the knowledge of the intellectual elite is a defence of the knowledge of the people. And who else is better at defending the instinctive knowledge of the people if not the instinctively intelligent, mediocre intellectual? In reality, ‘the people’ are too busy living. In addition, one can be certain that anyone who uses the concept of ‘the people’ is already someone who distinguishes himself or herself from them…

    ~ Ghassan Hage, White Nation: Fantasies of White supremacy in a multicultural society, Pluto Press, 1998, Preface, pp.7–9. See also : John HoWARd, Fun-da-mentalist, Playing with Fire, January 21, 2007

  46. aussie says:

    andy

    im not sure if you are confusing me with someone who is against multiculturism, but anyway so you know i am all for it, i just think precautions need to be made, precautions to stop rivalry, to protect australian culture, precautions to stop pages like this existing, when i said “destroying australia” it was me exaggerating, what i mean is it is making it a worse place than it is, maybe not for everyone, but at the end of the day we are trying to make the country a better place for everyone. not just smart people.

    i dont think australia is full ,although i question it when the GOVERNMENT decides they need to put a gas plant in the kimberleys… the same government that tries to buy the respect of the aboriginals instead of earning it, i dont want to get into it, but you can see why i would have little interest in government definitions and concepts.

    my girlfriend has an op 2, her family is all the same, brother is an aeroplane engineer ect, one night we were talking about how different we are, she said this to me. (not word for word ,my interperatation of what she said)…

    i never realised how important life is/the small things in life were until i met you and your mates… the passion you guys have, the respect, the lenghts yous will go to to help each other, the appreciation of whats around you, the way you created a culture that formed because of the cards you were delt, the very small option to create money forfilled careers, its a whole another world, she said she used to frown upon it, now she thinks it should be respected, she mentioned that she has never witnessed people so genuinly good to people and realises how important we are to society. the people she is talking about are far from interlectuals and lots of us probly write dumb shit on blogs like this, but to be an interlectual, and be write in what u are saying, maybe you should read books on surfing communities, hippies ect because if you understand it, you will realise they are not threatened by your intelligence, more so frustrated that they cant get their point across, they feel threatened there culture will be lost, in other words it comes from a very different place than hitler. although i do understand there are people in this country who are fucked and just drink and intentionally are just out to be a menace to society.

    interlectuals are more than likely the majority of who runs this country, and i think it is fair to say they do not genuinly understand the non interlectual peeps (generally speaking) i am tallking about, they only understand themselves.

    im not going to reply anymore, but so you know, i do take in what you say and learn from people like yourself andy, but my views are different and they are not wrong or racist, none of what you have said has changed my view, but i can see what you are getting at, whether you agree or not “the people” matter, their opinion matters because they are the people…you cant change them, you can only make decitions that are suitable for EVERYONE. the aussies arnt ajusting.. thats true, but niether are the muslims ect, like it or not, that = big problems! sayonara!

  47. aussie says:

    oh and for the record.. andy you have said oi oi oi more times on this blog than i have in my whole life 😉

  48. Roi says:

    If I were to provide you with a graph representing the demographic decline of Ethnic-European Australian’s, will that be enough to change your opinion towards non-white 3rd World immigration?

  49. Roi says:

    http://www.brandeis.edu/projects/fse/Conference/Conf-main2.html :

    ‘The descendants of American slaves are due reparations. Their foremothers suffered oppression because of the slaveholding structure of American society, and they suffered injustice at the hands of individual Americans, both those who owned them and those who acted like they owned them. {White Americans forced these women to work as house and field laborers, and white American men treated these women as objects, not humans, when they raped them.} The ancestors of today’s Americans even suffered the additional outrage of rape as a form of profit maximization: If an enslaved woman gave birth, her child would increase her owner’s wealth and provide him with yet more free labor. The psychological damage that these women and their families suffered is incalculable. Yet enslaved American black women did not retreat into passivity. They forged a theological understanding of their relationship with a God who would one day pass judgment on the slaveholders and compensate the enslaved-In Heaven and on Earth. What we need now is a discussion of how we can best compensate the descendants of these women and thus strengthen our society today.’

    Please, Describe your feelings towards that statement.

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