Stamp out racism! Thursday, October 25

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I live in Melbourne, Australia. I like anarchy. I don't like nazis. I enjoy eating pizza and drinking beer. I barrack for the greatest football team on Earth: Collingwood Magpies. The 2021 premiership's a cakewalk for the good old Collingwood.
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76 Responses to Stamp out racism! Thursday, October 25

  1. Stamp out racism? That would imply that racism exists. If racism exists, then isn’t it the will of those who practice it? Why does it have to be “stamped out”? Isn’t that just as fascist as Hitler was?

    For 6000 years Europeans were allowed to be British, German, Russian, Italian, Greek etc without having Africans and Asians coming into their lands proclaiming “We are Greeks to!”, yet, all of a sudden, in the last 30 years, anyone can belong to any Nationality.

    If an Italian went to live in China, (assuming the Chinese would allow a Greek person Chinese Citizenship) would you call him Chinese? No, he’s still Greek.

    The truth is folks, the narrow-minded racism you “think” exists actually doesn’t, all it is [is] people of all cultures and race’s [sic] wanting to preserve their unique heritage and identity… So why do you hate it so?

    The best way to put it is… We (Nationalists) want a multicultural world, not multicultural Nations.

    God Bless 🙂

  2. KinkyBoy says:

    Don’t you really mean, “Stamp out the races”!

    How convenient that would be to your Self “Chosen” fellow travellers who have no particular race but are attempting to “make it so” by destroying identifiably different others with their “Jewgenics” program known as Multiculturalism.

    You are a BoneHead.

  3. Adam says:

    If an Italian went to live in China, (assuming the Chinese would allow a Greek person Chinese Citizenship) would you call him Chinese? No, he’s still Greek.

    mmmmmm sorry mate you lost me when does he stop over in greece first on the way to china or what?

  4. gregg says:

    So where are you off to then White Australian Nationalist? After all for 60 000 odd years Australian Aborigines “were allowed to be” the occupiers of their own land “without having” a mish-mash of people of various ethnicities “coming into their lands proclaiming” terra nullius. Your rather child-like simplification of national cultures is evident in your attempts to link these ‘unique’ cultures to race in order to justify your social inadequacies in getting along with others. As for “The best way to put it is… We (Nationalists) want a multicultural world, not multicultural Nations.” I think that “the best way to put it is…” you are afraid, and by trying to create your own little safe-haven of ignorance, you can keep your inadequacies from being challenged. Finally, regarding “God Bless”… shove it up your arse. Ignorance hidden by religion, all religion, contributes to as much divisiveness as retarded ideas of racial superiority.
    All the best.
    gregg.

  5. xReganx says:

    To ‘White Australian Nationalist’

    From this post i assume you haven’t read anything else on this blog before and you have also been living in a cave all your life. “If racism exists”??? nazis killing/bashing/assaulting people… yeah racism doesn’t exist at all. So let me ask you a question in this “multicultural world, not multicultural Nations.” people would simply ‘go back’ to war-torn/poverty stricken countries their descendants were from ‘coz you want them to?… right. so you want to dictate where people can and can’t live based on the colour of their skin… so shouldn’t white people get the fuck out of australia, america, aotearoa, and everywhere else, and all cram in to europe?

    Easter Bunny bless.

  6. RPC says:

    If an Italian went to China you’d call him Greek?

    Is this some kind of payback for the Asians and Africans who turned up in Britain and Germany 6000 years ago “proclaiming ‘We are Greeks to[o]!'”?

    No wonder I can’t keep up with your racial theories.

  7. Liam says:

    If an Italian went to live in China, (assuming the Chinese would allow a Greek person Chinese Citizenship) would you call him Chinese? No, he’s still Greek.

    Perhaps if the said Italian became Greek somewhere in transit. But in any case…

    The truth is, while you may want a multicultural world and monocultural Nations (out of little more than personal preference), there are plenty of people who do not share your views, and a little inconvenient fact that the world is simply not like that.

    A serious question now: what do you propose for forming these non-multicultural Nations? Do you suggest the deportation of 25% of the Australian population who were not born here? And furthermore their children, who you say may be “still Greek” etc?

    Do you suggest that Nations should be entirely in the hands of those who have been there for a whole 6000 years? And what about in the case of 40,000 years; do you recognise that Aborigines are the traditional inhabitants of Australia and therefore see that anyone claiming to be Australian simply by birth is “still English/Irish/Italian/Chinese” or what have you?

    Now for a few of the incidents of people just “wanting to preserve their unique heritage and identity” and why I “hate it so”.
    1. [Security video catches man in racist attack against girl on train in Barcelona, International Herald Tribune, October 22, 2007]
    2. [Moscow man killed in ‘racist’ attack, Russia Today, October 20, 2007]
    3. [2 Germans charged with racist attack on Indians, The Times of India, October 19, 2007]
    4. [Men charged after stabbings, Bexley Times, October 18, 2007]

    And so on.

  8. Lumpen says:

    If racism exists, then isn’t it the will of those who practice it?
    Yes. That’s why they’re being held responsible for it. Y’know, people have been known to exercise their will in unreasonable, crazy and even stupid ways. This is why some people wear croc shoes, some die performing teenage stunts and some people worship Hitler. Just because they occur, doesn’t mean they are acceptable.

    And Italians in China are Greeks now? Is that some kind of Aryan zen?

    As for Kinkyboy… woah. I wonder if you type in words like “jewgenics” and get any kind of insight into how completely batshit crazy you are.

  9. @ndy says:

    If an Italian fall overs in Greece on her way to China while wearing a Melbourne Knights scarf, does anybody in Jew York (in the Jewnited States) hear KinkyBoy screaming “This is a product of Jewgenics!”?

    …why my brain it hurt…

  10. KinkyBoy says:

    To bring into effect the Jew’s desire for the destruction of other’s race requires they facilitate the opportunity for racially mixed offspring.
    MultiCulturalism provides that opportunity and is most effective in European communities because they are demonstrably the least “racist” in the context that you twits use the term. Hate law inspired by the Pharisees at the BnaiBrith scares off dissenters, and Judas’ are purchased with coin or “guilt” to incarcerate or render penniless those who voice an opinion contrary to the preordained yet concealed destiny.
    The Jewish Meme of the Fallen has infected those that look White and as the White Man’s burden it is easy for them to pretend to speak on our behalf and feign to have the courage to care for others. To identify as a Jew is to identify with a religion of authoritarian Lies. An Anarchist Jew? What a oxymoronic joke that is.
    Whites were visibly diverse millenia before the Jew decided on their demise as Goyisch Whites. The destiny of the White is to have his identity snatched by the Jew and then the enforced genetic dissolution of the European remainder. Onan’s Jews will then have a long coveted and exclusive race of their own.

    And you think I’m crazy for describing an interpretation of JewHiss activism based on observation. Ever consider that Jews are a pious coterie of collectively psychotic sociopaths?

  11. As humans we must abolish notions of nationality. This would be a great leap forward. We must be a united proletariat no matter what race or nationality one is. What White [Australian] Nationalist has failed in understanding is that abolishing racism is not racist or fascist.

    “For 6000 years Europeans were allowed to be British, German, Russian, Italian, Greek etc without having Africans and Asians coming into their lands proclaiming “We are Greeks to!”, yet, all of a sudden, in the last 30 years, anyone can belong to any Nationality.”

    Nationality is citizenship of a country or what country is a person from. There was no countries 6,000 year ago. Germany was formed in the 1870s by a numbers of smaller states. Plus nation states have only been around for the last 2000 years you nazi idiot.

  12. @ndy says:

    “And you think I’m crazy for describing an interpretation of JewHiss activism based on observation?”

    Does the Pope shit in the woods?

    “Ever consider that Jews are a pious coterie of collectively psychotic sociopaths?”

    Yes. Usually right after I nail my penis to the floor.

  13. Lumpen says:

    Mate, I feel genuine pity for you and I would try and get you help, but the messages being beamed to my yarmulke are instructing me to create some coin to render you penniless for revealing the truth about the Cylons Jews. Oops, please disregard that last sentence. We are not watching your every move. We are not working to take away your White destiny. Carry on with what you are doing and eat as many bagels as you can. Bagels are good. They will not render you a passive servant of Zion. Eat the bagel.

  14. RPC says:

    Mmmm. Bagels.

  15. Lumpen says:

    PS My favourite band is Jew Kids On The Block.
    PPS Have you seen that movie Jew Jack City?
    PPPS Did you ever learn Jewton’s first law of physics?
    PPPPS Jewy jewy jew jew jewish. Jew? Jew.

  16. KinkyBoy says:

    You sound like you’ve slipped on and swallowed the fresh Kosher Turd clandestinely laid in your ideology Watto.

    http://www.borhatorah.org/home/article1/article1.html

    The entrenched inbreeding can only be a function of religiously enforced “racism”.

    The predatorial Jew feigns to be a victim in the hope that through emulation the Goyim become his prey.

  17. Liam says:

    KinkyBoy, I hate to break this to you, but The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forgery, it is fraudulent and has no basis in fact. That’s three Fs, if that doesn’t convince you i don’t know what will!

  18. Lumpen says:

    You sound like you’ve slipped on and swallowed the fresh Kosher Turd clandestinely laid in your ideology Watto.

    It’s like you’ve known me all my life. Have you been intercepting the messages we send to each other via radio static?

    Tonight I’m going to use my Jew powers to infect your dreams, steal your soul and replace it with a matzah ball. If you stand on your veranda at sunset, you will faintly hear Mel Brooks and Jerry Seinfeld laughing maniacally at your misfortune, as surely as Sydney is the capitol of Jew South Whales.

  19. Steve says:

    Honestly, the FFV has no jurisdiction over actions taken by the Melbourne Croatia Social Club. The FFV is a sporting governing body ffs. You just continue to dig a deeper hole for yourself @ndy.

  20. @ndy says:

    G’day Steve,

    The situation, as I understand it, is this:

    Neither the Melbourne Knights FC nor the Melbourne Croatia Social Club has publicly acknowledged that a neo-Nazi gig took place at the grounds on Saturday, October 13;
    As a matter of fact, when asked, Club officials have DENIED any and all knowledge;
    Hence the gig has been dubbed:

    The neo-nazi big night out that never happened [Source: Crikey!, Wednesday October 17]

    Melbourne’s sporting world has had some unfortunate run-ins with racism in the last year. The attack on Menachem Vorchheimer by a group of Ocean Grove footballers (one of whom was later awarded ‘best and fairest’ by the club) on October 14 last year got things started and McKinnon Cricket Club kept the ball rolling when a number of their players made anti-Semitic comments on Facebook around August (the club expelled a number of players and the Victorian Turf Cricket Association suspended others).

    Now, Melbourne Knights Stadium in the multicultural suburb of Sunshine has scored a racially vilifying hat trick by playing host to a neo-Nazi concert on Saturday night. In a political climate which could be charitably described as ‘racially tense’, this was probably not a good thing.

    The yearly event – a tribute to deceased British fascist Ian Stuart Donaldson (lead singer of musically-challenged white power band Skrewdriver) – was organised by Blood & Honour and the Southern Cross Hammerskins, local branches of international networks responsible for numerous racist assaults, murders and bombings. Last year’s concert at the Birmingham Hotel in Fitzroy resulted in a racist attack on a young black woman who was walking by. She was surrounded by fascists who held her against her will and made her repeat racial slurs regarding her heritage. The subsequent publicity (and a community boycott) has seen a marked decrease in punk gigs and patronage at the pub.

    Anti-fascists (including FightDemBack!, of which I am a member) discovered the venue of this year’s gig at around 4pm on Saturday and, in the hopes that the venue would follow the example of the Sherwood Elks Lodge in Oregon (who had cancelled a Hammerskins gig the week previous at the last minute), began calling anyone they could find associated with the club. The bookings manager denied all knowledge. The responses of Melbourne Knights junior coaches to requests to pass the information up the food chain ran the gamut from abject indifference through to sympathy with the neo-Nazis. One coach referred to his caller as a “dirty Jew” and hung up.

    The bookings manager at the Melbourne Croatian Social Club (who own the stadium) again denied on Monday morning that the event took place. They say that the only event at the club over the weekend was a group watching the Croatia Vs. Israel game at 4.15 am on Sunday morning. But a Victoria Police spokesperson confirmed to Crikey that the event had indeed taken place at the club and was “closely monitored”.

    Football Federation Victoria investigated the incident and found the Melbourne Knights were unaware. The same, according to FFV, could not be said of the social club. FFV says that the social club claimed it was a simple rock concert, and actually wanted them to clear out so they could watch their game. There is no indication that the club wanted them to leave because they had draped swastikas about the place.

    At this stage, it remains unclear what action, if any, will be taken against the club.

    I’m not digging a hole for myself, Melbourne Croatia Social Club is, and will continue to until such time as it acknowledges what is the reality of the situation. Asking the FFV to investigate goings-on in Sunshine is a result of this failure.

  21. Why do I never get any attention on this site. Hello people, I’m here. Give me some god dam attention. I just madea comment about the racist.

  22. gregg says:

    “The predatorial Jew”
    Bastards!… Cheers for the tip Kinky Boy, I thought it was foxes that got one of my birds last week.

  23. Steve says:

    The Melbourne Croatia Social Club can do what it likes with its facilities. The FFV has no power over them, so they have nothing to investigate.

  24. Lumpen says:

    Come one, come all on Thursday and check out the FULL FRONTAL JEWDITY. (I knew I could bring things back on topic.)

  25. Dr. Cam says:

    The Borha Torah sounds like a nice holiday spot.

  26. vents says:

    Hey, Mossad…!

    (fucking horrible)

  27. Lumpen says:

    The Melbourne Croatia Social Club can do what it likes with its facilities. The FFV has no power over them, so they have nothing to investigate.

    Weeelll Steve… as far as I can see it, there’s some truth to what you’re saying. It’s not true that the MCSC can do whatever it likes, and you’d think that hosting a neo-nazi rally is something they shouldn’t do. Like Cam wrote in Crikey, the FFV have already done a cursory investigation but appear to have been told some lies, so that pretty much blows your statement out of the water.

    Pressure is being exerted, but it isn’t as though the Football Federation of Victoria, or even the Melbourne Knights, are being lumped in with the misanthropes at Stormfront. That’d be counter-productive and stupid.

    Given the relationship between the Knights and the MCSC, and the position the FFV has on racism (a pretty good one, at least on paper), the FFV is in the position to exert some influence. If they were to issue an unambiguous condemnation, warranted because all clubs should be open to all races 24/7 and not when the club bothers to shoo-away the nazis, I doubt the MCSC would be so open to hosting Blood & Honour again. You only have to look at what Kevin Sheedy fostered with Essendon (okay, and Eddie McGuire and the Pies) to see the positive effects a strong anti-bigotry stance can have on the game in general and clubs in particular.

    The point isn’t that FFV are responsible for the gig occurring, but they have it within their power to prevent something like this from happening – again, this power of influence has already been established.

    Things aren’t looking good for the Melbourne Croatian Social Club though. Looks like someone there has been very silly or has picked the wrong side.

  28. KinkyBoy says:

    Liam, I hate to break this to you, but the Jewish “Religion” and the notion of a Chosen people is a forgery, it is fraudulent and has no basis in fact. That’s three Fs, if that doesn’t convince you i don’t know what will!

    It’s the lack of deference that the impostorous Jewish usurpers of decency feel entitled to that annoys those that call themselves “Jews”. It frustrates their preciously pious sensibilities so much that they foam at the mouth like Rabbid Hounds from Hell and demand the insolent Goyim be silenced by threat of, or actual death. The Lambs will be silent so that only a Kosher view of the world is to be heard by G_d, who also will do exactly as he is told by his own “Chosen”. The Narcissus is only beautiful when surrounded by the desolation of his own creation.
    Such contemptible and vainglorious arrogance is not to be found in any other, and is at the root of what the tantrum chuckers call “Anti-Semitism”.

    I feel honoured to be deemed worthy of the pity of at least one of the “Chosen”. Pretentious Fool !

    No need to “crucify” yourself to the floor on their behalf SlackBastard. They’re not worth it.
    G_d’s Chosen killers likely know exactly who I am, but you know what, who gives a toss. What are they gonna do, kill every Goyim of any race who happens across the lies that define the holo/porno/graphic existence of the SelfChosen.

  29. gregg says:

    My new favourite thing… Reading KinkyBoy’s posts with a character voice like Reverend Lovejoy from the Simpsons. Try it, it’s great.

  30. @ndy says:

    I’m beginning to get the feeling that he may have a slight aversion to Jewish peoples.

  31. Liam says:

    Whether or not Judaism itself is fraudulent is irrelevant KinkyBoy, for i am not basing my argument upon anything religious.
    You however seem to be basing your argument almost entirely on The Protocols, which is indeed a load of fanciful (perhaps the most notorious example of) bullshit.

  32. Steve says:

    Weeell Lumpen… How has my statement been blown out of the water? The cursory investigation was done into whether the Knights were involved, which they weren’t. The FFV came to that conclusion.

    Honestly what do you know of the relationship between the MCSC and the Knights? Are you Croatian and an active member of the community? Clearly not.

    How can the FFV have power over the MCSC? Explain this to me? A sporting body having influence over an ethnic community social club? Are you for real?

  33. RPC says:

    The Melbourne Knights should refuse to share facilities with the nazis. It should make it clear to the MCSC that it doesn’t want to use facilities that are a hangout for racists. The MCSC can then decide who it wants to hire its venue to: either the Knights or the nazis.

  34. Lumpen says:

    When you said “The FFV has no power over them, so they have nothing to investigate”, I don’t believe either part of that to be true. The FFV did (and do) have something to investigate – whether this venue hosting neo-nazi rallies has any potential ramifications on the development on the game. For example, do Asian soccer fans have to be wary when going to the club to support the Knights? Should non-whites have to check when the racists have booked the venue before they enter or walk past? I think one day of hardcore racism a year is one day too many. By the way, similar questions apply to the Birmingham, and the “yes” to both questions is the basis for the ongoing boycott – a simple fact that some seem to overlook.

    The FFV raising an objection does not require any authority over anyone. I’m guessing this is why it has been acknowledged as a potential issue at all. Like I said, no-one is conflating them with the Nazis themselves.

    What I do believe, from the evidence that I have seen, is that the relationship to the MCSC is not necessarily a direct one. But if the Knights or the FFV politely objected, in line with the aims of the organisation, that would result in one less safe-haven for fascist groups — a positive outcome. This is because the Knights are probably more important to the MCSC than the Southern Cross Hammerskins.

    “Are you Croatian and an active member of the community?”
    No. Does that disqualify me from something? If you’re saying you have facts that contradict the case I have put, I’m open to hearing them. I don’t think anyone is interested in making enemies, so if you have information or a better strategy, go ahead and tell us.

  35. Steve says:

    “The FFV did (and do) have something to investigate – whether this venue hosting neo-nazi rallies has any potential ramifications on the development on the game. For example, do Asian soccer fans have to be wary when going to the club to support the Knights? Should non-whites have to check when the racists have booked the venue before they enter or walk past?”

    Wow, that’s just plain ridiculous. Ramifications for the game? A concert with 40 guys, who had never been at the ground before and never will again? So how will people of other races be hampered in supporting the Knights? Pure sensationalism there on your behalf.

    I will say this again, the FFV is a sporting body. It has no jurisdiction over what is an ethnic social club. They have as much authority over the MCSC as the AFL does. It’s not rocket science.

    “No. Does that disqualify me from something?”
    Yeah it does when you are talking about the relationship between the MCSC and the Knights. Are you some sort of expert on the inner workings of the Croatian community?

  36. Steve says:

    To RPC. One neo-Nazi gig means that it’s a hangout for nazis? Please. You can guarantee the MCSC will not do anything like it again after getting mud on their face.

    Melbourne Knights will never leave the facilities, which were built from funds donated by the Croatian community, and nor should it. It’s an important place for the Croatian community. So calls for a boycott due to the stupidity of the MCSC committee, will in the end only hurt the Croatian community.

  37. @ndy says:

    G’day Steve,

    I repeat:

    The situation, as I understand it, is this:

    Neither the Melbourne Knights FC nor the Melbourne Croatia Social Club has publicly acknowledged that a neo-Nazi gig took place at the grounds on Saturday, October 13;
    As a matter of fact, when asked, Club officials have DENIED any and all knowledge…

    You haven’t disputed this.

    I’ve already asked if you hold any kind of position at either Club; you informed me that you don’t. That being the case, whatever you claim is the position of the Club on this or any other issue is opinion, not fact: you do not speak with authority. What is being asked of the Clubs — both the Melbourne Knights and the Social Club — is precisely what you’re not offering: an official statement, stating exactly why a neo-Nazi gig was allowed to take place at Club facilities in Sunshine, and who was responsible for authorising it. Further, and in light of both the FFV’s policy against discrimination on the grounds of race and ethnicity, as well as on more general grounds, for the Club/s to clarify their opinions as to the fact that this event took place.

    “Ramifications for the game? A concert with 40 guys, who had never been at the ground before and never will again? So how will people of other races be hampered in supporting the Knights? Pure sensationalism there on your behalf.”

    “40 guys” is what one person witnessed outside the venue; there were more inside, and those responsible for organising the event, as well as a number who attended, claim that the number in attendance was considerably more than this (over 100 is one claim). I’ve no idea how many had never been at the ground and never will again; likely the majority. On the other hand, I would not be at all surprised to discover that some were Knights supporters and/or Croatian fascists. After all, one question that has not been addressed is: why there? Why did the Croatian Social Club agree to host a neo-Nazi gig? Could this be at all related to the fact that some of its fans are fascists, who make absolutely no attempt to disguise their hatred and loathing of, for example, Jews? In terms of other races being hampered, the real question is: if the grounds of Melbourne Knights are indeed welcoming of people of all races, why on Earth was a neo-Nazi gig allowed to take place there? Honestly Steve, what kind of message do you think this sends to the general public?

    “I will say this again, the FFV is a sporting body. It has no jurisdiction over what is an ethnic social club. They have as much authority over the MCSC as the AFL does. It’s not rocket science.”

    Yes, the FFV is a sporting association. No, it has no jurisdiction over the MCSC. But it has influence over the Knights, and the Knights have influence over the MCSC. The two are legally separate (as of 2006?) but intimately linked. And until such time as one or other accepts responsibility for the fact that neo-Nazis had a knees-up at their facilities, questions will continue to be asked and pressure applied.

    Some simple honesty in dealing with this matter would go a long way, I think.

    “Yeah it does when you are talking about the relationship between the MCSC and the Knights. Are you some sort of expert on the inner workings of the Croatian community?”

    I can’t speak for Lumpen, but you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to know that there is a very strong relationship between the two Clubs. Further, you don’t need to have expert knowledge of the internal politics of the local Croatian community as expressed via the Knights or the MCSC in order to request that one or both accept responsibility for the neo-Nazi gig in question.

  38. @ndy says:

    “To RPC. One neo-Nazi gig means that it’s a hangout for nazis? Please. You can guarantee the MCSC will not do anything like it again after getting mud on their face.”

    This is not correct. There is absolutely no guarantee whatsoever that the MCSC “will not do anything like it again”. How can it, when it doesn’t even acknowledge that the gig happened in the first place, or nominate who was responsible for authorising it?!?

  39. @ndy says:

    On a related note…

    Neo-Nazi Band Set To Play Amid Protests
    By MARUXA RELAÑO
    New York Sun
    October 24, 2007

    Protests are mounting against plans for a Croatian rock star, Marko Perkovic, who critics say glorifies the Nazis, to perform in New York.

    The performer, known as Thompson, combines folk-inspired melodies with the electric thrill of heavy metal and nationalistic lyrics.

    While Thompson’s songs promote love of God, family, and his nation, the singer and songwriter is also said to glorify war and Croatia’s Nazi past, and that has groups lining up in protest of his two New York shows at the Croatian Center in Midtown next month.

    In past concerts, he has performed an anthem of the country’s Nazi-backed military regime — the Ustasha — that references extermination camps where tens of thousands of Jews, Serbs, and Gypsies were killed during World War II. He greets adoring crowds with a famous Ustasha slogan — and many respond with the Nazi salute.

    “To glorify what happened during the Holocaust is not what we need in the world today, nor do we need it in this city — after the events we have recently been through. To play with that for the sake of music, or even conviction, I find it totally repugnant,” the director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center’s Task Force Against Hate, Mark Weitzman, said.

    Mr. Weitzman said his group is in conversations with the Croatian Embassy, whose government has been trying to distance the country from the strong nationalism of the 1990s as part of a serious bid to join the European Union in 2010.

    “I get the sense that they are not very happy about the concert, but I’m not sure how they are going to respond. Hopefully there will be the right response,” Mr. Weitzman said.

    The Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Jewish human rights nonprofit that has been monitoring Mr. Perkovic’s performances for several years, has also asked the Croatian Embassy in Washington to publicly repudiate the band as part of the country’s commitment to international treaties denouncing the Holocaust, and to forgo working with any institution that supports the tour.

    Last week, organizers of a Thompson concert planned in Toronto next month cancelled after pressure from the Canadian offices of the Task Force Against Hate. The group is now in conversations with the venue that is to host their Vancouver appearance, as well as to police there, said Leo Adler, director of national affairs.

    Mr. Adler said in Canada, where there is a lower threshold for what constitutes hate speech, there is a chance that Thompson’s lyrics could violate the law. In America, freedom of speech is more protected, he noted.

    The director of the Anti-Defamation League, Abraham Foxman, said he hoped education and exposure of the band’s background would convince people to not attend their concerts. “The sad part is how popular they are in Croatia and that they are now coming here to appeal to U.S. Croats to almost justify the Holocaust,” Mr. Foxman said.

    “It’s a free country, and people can choose to be offensive. We are not in the business of censorship or shutting people down, but we do hope that when people understand what they are about they will not want to hear them play,” he added.

    For Serbs living in America, whose minority population in Croatia was decimated during WWII and the Balkan wars of the 1990s between Serbs and Croats, Thompson’s songs strike a particularly sensitive chord.

    “He is singing about genocide against a people who were ethnically cleansed. It’s intolerable,” a development officer at NYU, Radosh Piletich, 35, said. Mr. Piletich is part of a loose group of Serbian-Americans in New York who would like to see the concert canceled and have lodged complaints with the office of Rep. Jerrold Nadler, in whose congressional district the concert will be taking place.

    “I would like to stop the concert. I would like to stop the hatred. I don’t understand how we can be in the 21st century and allow this type of language to take place,” a man whose grandmother was killed by Ustasha during the war, Tom Djurdjevich, 37, said.

    “If you listen to his lyrics, it celebrates butchery. It’s beyond inhumane. He talks about gouging out of eyes and sawing off of heads,” Mr. Djurdjevich continued.

    One of the New York events’ organizers, George Corluka, of Syndicate Productions, did not return calls and emails requesting comment.

    But patrons at several Croatian bars in Astoria, Queens, where tickets for Mr. Perkovic’s performance are being sold for $45, dismissed the importance of Thompson’s extremist rhetoric, saying he is just appealing to a young nationalist sentiment long repressed by the Communist regime that gripped the country following World War II.

    “Everybody says he’s a good person. He’s singing about genocide in the context of a war,” said a painter, Marko Marienovich, 42, whose 21-year old daughter has made plans to go hear Thompson play said. “What he’s singing about, he went through. He sings about the things he saw.”

    Many said they respect the fact that Mr. Perkovic is a veteran in the war between the Croats and Serbs. He earned his stage name from an American-issued submachine gun used by the Croats.

    “He’s a Croatian hero. You are going to see how many people show up for his show,” a retiree, Boris Yurisic, 47, said.

    So far, tickets for Mr. Perkovic’s November 2 concert at the Croatian Center on 41st Street in Manhattan — which holds 700 people — are sold out. Tickets for a second concert the following day, scheduled due to strong demand, will soon go on sale. The Croatian Center adjoins the Roman Catholic Church of Saints Cyril and Methodius and St. Raphael, on 10th Avenue. Calls to the church offices were not picked up.

    A spokesman for the Archdiocese of New York, Joseph Zwilling, said he didn’t know about the concert or the artist and therefore couldn’t comment. “I’d have to contact the Parish about this and we’ll have to investigate it, certainly,” he said.

  40. Lumpen says:

    Hey Steve,

    Yeah, what @ndy said.

    No-one has called for a boycott… have they? I think that would be futile at this stage. Positions are still to be clarified. Questions are being asked, sure, but why is that such a bad thing?

    You seem to be claiming that you have the bona fides to be telling us what is wrong and right, but haven’t been forthcoming on any evidence to back this up. This is why you’re not just being taken at your word. Failing this kind of proof (hey, I can understand you not wanting to reveal your day job), you could use reason reinforced with the knowledge of someone in such a position would have, but again you haven’t done that. This is why you are being questioned; not because I think you are a liar.

    The ramifications for the game are this: people will continue to stay away at the hint of this kind of bullshit and with justification. Can you imagine the Carlton footy club being used for a nazi rally? Or the Swedish Church in Toorak? If not, why not? Why the MCSC then?

    It isn’t sensationalism, but based on past experience to say that where racists/fascists gather once, they will do so again unless actively discouraged. Like the Birmingham, they didn’t just use it annually for their goose-stepping practice. This has been evidenced on this blog and Fight Dem Back, not to mention Stormfront and elsewhere.

    If the MCSC said what you just said, that -oops- it won’t happen again, then that would be good enough for me. But that isn’t what has happened. In fact, they have denied doing anything at all despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary and apparently took steps to ensure that it went ahead. So the fact that they will make no guarantee that they won’t do it again is potentially very injurious to the Melbourne Knights, if they give a shit about such things, and the FFV.

    Need I mention that soccer fans were put in the spotlight for relatively less-serious activity in 2005? If the Melbourne Knights were to be linked to supporting fascists, after the silliness of (traditionally Croatian backed) Sydney United fans (and Bonyrigg fans) and the media furore in its wake, this could contribute to a massive step backwards to the development of soccer in Australia. Wasn’t this the catalyst for a certain amount of change in the administration of the Football Federation of Australia? I believe there was some legislation introduced in NSW that can be used to curb some of the passions of the fans – not a good outcome for anyone. More recently there was scrutiny of Souths and Victory fan behaviour here in Melbourne. So no, I do not think it is sensationalist at all. The Herald-Sun coverage of soccer on the other hand…

    Unlike that situation, I don’t think that FFV bureaucrats need worry about alienating traditional supporters by telling Nazis to fuck off, and it won’t cost the MCSC a thing to say “Okay, we were misled. Won’t happen again.” Everyone fucking hates Nazis. They’re only one step up from pedophiles in the popular villain stakes. To me, it looks like a win-win scenario.

    Doing nothing is not an option, as the cat is already out of the bag.

  41. Steve says:

    You seem to be claiming that you have the bona fides to be telling us what is wrong and right, but haven’t been forthcoming on any evidence to back this up. This is why you’re not just being taken at your word. Failing this kind of proof (hey, I can understand you not wanting to reveal your day job), you could use reason reinforced with the knowledge of someone in such a position would have, but again you haven’t done that. This is why you are being questioned; not because I think you are a liar.

    I have been stating facts. FFV has no control over the MCSC, fact. Melbourne Knights had nothing to do with the event, fact. What are you doing? Claiming things to the contrary? Tell me what I have said that has actually been wrong?

    Revealing my day job? I have already said that I do not work for the club. I am a supporter and have been so my whole life. I love the club, and I won’t have people who clearly have little idea bad mouth my club with no evidence to back it up.

    The ramifications for the game are this: people will continue to stay away at the hint of this kind of bullshit and with justification. Can you imagine the Carlton footy club being used for a nazi rally? Or the Swedish Church in Toorak? If not, why not? Why the MCSC then? It isn’t sensationalism, but based on past experience to say that where racists/fascists gather once, they will do so again unless actively discouraged. Like the Birmingham, they didn’t just use it annually for their goose-stepping practice. This has been evidenced on this blog and Fight Dem Back, not to mention Stormfront and elsewhere.

    Oh yeah, neo-Nazis will gather at an ethnic social club. Saying that people of other races will be harassed at Knights matches is sensationalism, pure and simple. They are stupid statements.

    Need I mention that soccer fans were put in the spotlight for relatively less-serious activity in 2005? If the Melbourne Knights were to be linked to supporting fascists, after the silliness of (traditionally Croatian backed) Sydney United fans (and Bonyrigg fans) and the media furore in its wake, this could contribute to a massive step backwards to the development of soccer in Australia. Wasn’t this the catalyst for a certain amount of change in the administration of the Football Federation of Australia? I believe there was some legislation introduced in NSW that can be used to curb some of the passions of the fans – not a good outcome for anyone. More recently there was scrutiny of Souths and Victory fan behaviour here in Melbourne. So no, I do not think it is sensationalist at all. The Herald-Sun coverage of soccer on the other hand…

    What does this have to do with anything? And catalyst for change in the admin of the FFA? Are you kidding me? The reform of the [game] at the national league level happened before that incident between Sydney United and Bonyrigg.

  42. Steve says:

    Neither the Melbourne Knights FC nor the Melbourne Croatia Social Club has publicly acknowledged that a neo-Nazi gig took place at the grounds on Saturday, October 13;
    As a matter of fact, when asked, Club officials have DENIED any and all knowledge…

    Melbourne Knights have nothing to deny, it has nothing to do with them. Can you comprehend this? For events to be held at the facilities they must go through the MCSC not the Knights. Like I’ve said before why don’t you start mud slinging at Coburg United (Turkish backed club), who are also tenants.

    On the other hand, I would not be at all surprised to discover that some were Knights supporters and/or Croatian fascists. After all, one question that has not been addressed is: why there? Why did the Croatian Social Club agree to host a neo-Nazi gig? Could this be at all related to the fact that some of its fans are fascists, who make absolutely no attempt to disguise their hatred and loathing of, for example, Jews? In terms of other races being hampered, the real question is: if the grounds of Melbourne Knights are indeed welcoming of people of all races, why on Earth was a neo-Nazi gig allowed to take place there? Honestly Steve, what kind of message do you think this sends to the general public?

    Here we go. Now you are attacking the Knights fan base and the Croatian community in general. As it’s become quite clear @ndy your responses have begun to take a clearly anti-Croatian angle to them. All we need to look at is you bringing up Thompson, more uninformed garbage from yourself. What exactly does that have to do with the issue at hand.

    Let me just say on Thompson, accusations that he is a neo-Nazi are laughable. Have you actually ever listened to his music or read his lyrics? Of course not, just keep believing the propaganda and spreading it.

    The left in Australia having a go at the Croatian community, what’s new.

    I can’t speak for Lumpen, but you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to know that there is a very strong relationship between the two Clubs. Further, you don’t need to have expert knowledge of the internal politics of the local Croatian community as expressed via the Knights or the MCSC in order to request that one or both accept responsibility for the neo-Nazi gig in question.

    Knights accept responsibility for the event? You just don’t listen. Why do I even bother.

  43. RPC says:

    To RPC. One neo-Nazi gig means that it’s a hangout for nazis? Please. You can guarantee the MCSC will not do anything like it again after getting mud on their face.

    If that’s the case, then it ought to be unproblematic for them to simply apologise and promise that they will not let it happen again. As far as I can tell, that’s all Andy’s called for.

    It’s an important place for the Croatian community. So calls for a boycott due to the stupidity of the MCSC committee, will in the end only hurt the Croatian community.

    The more important the place is for the Croatian community, the more important it is that they take a stand against racism there. Allowing nazis to play there will do more to harm the Croatian community than demanding that they leave. I’m sure you’re aware that most of the Croatian community is sick of being tarred with the Ustashi brush — if their social club lets nazis play gigs, then it’s doing nothing to help the community’s image.

    I should add that I say this as a regular at my own ethnic community’s social club. I’m not Croatian, but I understand the dynamics of immigrant communities.

  44. @ndy says:

    G’day Steve,

    I’m happy to acknowledge the administrative and legal separation of the two Clubs. Nevertheless:

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    Life after the Melbourne Croatia/Melbourne Knights split
    Josip LONCARIC
    The New Generation
    June 3, 2007

    The Melbourne Knights Soccer Club and Melbourne Croatia Social Club have for many years been known as one and the same. ”Soccer club, social club… it’s all the same thing”, seems to have been the general consensus regarding the identity of both of these entities, based at Somers Street in the western Melbourne suburb of North Sunshine.

    Late last year, the legal – and administrative – separation of the two entities was finally realised in what was to become an unprecedented move aimed at guaranteeing the future of the 12 or so acres of land that had – over the past 25 years – been transformed into the sporting and social hub of Melbourne’s Croatian community.

    This schism effectively means that the Melbourne Knights Soccer Club (MKSC) would exclusively deal with the running of the Victorian Premier League seniors and reserves teams, whilst the Melbourne Croatia Social Club (MCSC) would be in charge of all the other aspects of the club, including the running of the kitchen, bar, social events and most importantly the substantial $1.4 million plus debt that mismanagement from the past (particularly the old National Soccer League days) has passed on to the club and the community.

    ”We wish to clear the air once and for all so that the Croatian community is aware of what MCSC’s role is in regards to the future of this club”, said spokesperson Zdravko Zilic at a specially arranged press conference at the North Sunshine clubrooms last Sunday afternoon…

    ======

    “Oh yeah, neo-Nazis will gather at an ethnic social club. Saying that people of other races will be harassed at Knights matches is sensationalism, pure and simple. They are stupid statements.”

    Um yeah, actually… in the last few years, both the Russian and Estonian Clubs in Sydney have accepted bookings by ‘Australia First’ to hold the Sydney Forum, and it attracts all kindsa racist nuts, including neo-Nazis. And yeah, actually, an ethnic social club hosted a neo-Nazi gig a coupla weekends ago…

    More later.

  45. Lumpen says:

    Hey Steve,

    “I love the club, and I won’t have people who clearly have little idea bad mouth my club with no evidence to back it up.”

    Okay, being a lifelong supporter sounds like good enough bona fides to me.

    I’m not disputing that the FFV has no control over the MCSC. I’ve said this a few times now and I agree with you when you say that. Where I disagree with you is that the FFV does have a stake in what goes on at the MCSC because of its relationship to the Knights and football in Victoria. I hear you saying that administratively they are separate entities, but practically and perceptively there’s a strong relationship and that is important.

    The relevance of the Sydney vs Bonyrigg match is that it shows that there has been scrutiny of soccer in Australia precisely on the grounds of race and team allegiances, and the more recent article demonstrates that it was not an isolated incident (the scrutiny, not the fighting). Having someone like the MCSC host a Nazi rally, given the relationship above, certainly looks bad.

    I’m saying there’s an easy way to fix any misperceptions that I or any other person may have: FFV or the Knights condemn the Nazis, or at least request the the MCSC not host them again.

    You’re clearly a bigger soccer fan than me, but my understanding is that the change from Soccer Australia to the FFA was keyed upon the former’s mismanagement and “excessive” (Frank Lowy’s words, not mine) club alignments based on ethnicity which were seen as part of that culture. Attempts to recast soccer in Australia as something for everyone (admittedly by “everyone” they mean “more Anglos”) and not based on (non-Anglo) ethnic allegiances was met with resistance but has been successful overall.

    A billionaire like Lowy has his own motives to “de-ethnicise” soccer in Australia, but regardless it seems like expanding the game this way is a positive thing overall. In this context, and with the injection of Federal funds predicated in part on this process, the incident at the MCSC and the subsequent (lack of) response by FFV and the Melbourne Knights could have unintended consequences not isolated to the Melbourne Croatian Social Club. This is what I mean by “a step back” and I think the evidence for that means there is at least a case to answer.

    In other words, I don’t blame the Knights or the FFV, but I do think they can do something about it.

    For the record, I think that much of the alleged “hooliganism” and the media hype surrounding soccer in Australia comes down to latent racism and fear of passionate working-class men. That is not what is being expressed here. Remember the issue at hand: the MCSC hosted a Nazi rally and lied about it to ensure it went ahead. The Melbourne Knights and FFV are in the best position to prevent it happening again.

    “Saying that people of other races will be harassed at Knights matches is sensationalism, pure and simple. They are stupid statements.”

    Then you misunderstand me. What if an African rocked up to the MCSC that night of the rally looking to use a phone? Or Vietnamese kids walked past? Do you need to check up whether the facilities are being used by white supremacists in order be near them? Given the situation, it is not unreasonable to be wary at the least. It’s not sensationalist, or stupid, as you can bet the local nazis think the MSCS is a safe haven. And they’re not wrong to think so.

  46. The Vile Gloater says:

    Anyhow, I had to race home and find out how the protest went? Nothing here? Oh well I’ll tell you…

    Now I don’t claim to be a mathematician but I do have 10 fingers and I do know that when I finished counting the turnout to the protest I still had a couple left over.

    Also props go out to those who don’t look out the window before leaving the house since only one person seemed to have an umbrella (it was a red one if I recall correctly).

    So I am sure that the Knights have a lot to worry about from the rather forlorn and bedraggled group that met outside FFV today.

    So all in all, good effort lads. @ndy special thanks to you, you’ve made my week…

    Have a Nazi day…

  47. Lumpen says:

    It was raining. Give me a break!

  48. The fact is that the jewish religion is racist. The Jews believe that they are the “chosen people” and that they are above all others. They also think that they have the right to kill and destroy all others who get in the way of what they want. Now doesn’t that seem a bit racist to you?

    The Jews are nothing but ZIONIST FASCISTS. We must reject all fascism.

  49. Your a Stupid Man says:

    your a stupid stupid man you and the other 6 people who turned up

    the event your protesting about has nothing to do with the knights soccer club as it is a totally separate entity

    your useless protest at the FFV has no point as the FFV has nothing to do with it as it has nothing to do with the soccer club

    stupid stupid man you are!

    so what did [you] achieve by protesting other [than] proving your an idiot?

  50. Steve says:

    Where I disagree with you is that the FFV does have a stake in what goes on at the MCSC because of its relationship to the Knights and football in Victoria. I hear you saying that administratively they are separate entities, but practically and perceptively there’s a strong relationship and that is important.

    Of course there’s a relationship between the two. The Knights are tenants so obviously there’s a relationship. But the two are run separately by different people. They have two very different agendas that have come into conflict a number of times.

    The relevance of the Sydney vs Bonyrigg match is that it shows that there has been scrutiny of soccer in Australia precisely on the grounds of race and team allegiances, and the more recent article demonstrates that it was not an isolated incident (the scrutiny, not the fighting). Having someone like the MCSC host a Nazi rally, given the relationship above, certainly looks bad.

    Issues of hooliganism at soccer matches has nothing to do with this issue. MCSC, an ethnic community social club, hosting a neo-Nazi event has nothing to do with the sport of soccer.

    I’m saying there’s an easy way to fix any misperceptions that I or any other person may have: FFV or the Knights condemn the Nazis, or at least request the the MCSC not host them again.

    Knights and the FFV don’t have to do anything. Put your pressure on MCSC, leave the Knights out of it.

    You’re clearly a bigger soccer fan than me, but my understanding is that the change from Soccer Australia to the FFA was keyed upon the former’s mismanagement and “excessive” (Frank Lowy’s words, not mine) club alignments based on ethnicity which were seen as part of that culture. Attempts to recast soccer in Australia as something for everyone (admittedly by “everyone” they mean “more Anglos”) and not based on (non-Anglo) ethnic allegiances was met with resistance but has been successful overall.

    I said the incident between Sydney United and Bonyrigg had nothing to do with the restructuring of the game.

    The game was re-structured to make the sport a mainstream success. The issue of ethnic-backed clubs was one of many issues, not the sole one.

    In this context, and with the injection of Federal funds predicated in part on this process, the incident at the MCSC and the subsequent (lack of) response by FFV and the Melbourne Knights could have unintended consequences not isolated to the Melbourne Croatian Social Club. This is what I mean by “a step back” and I think the evidence for that means there is at least a case to answer.

    The incident at the MCSC has had absolutely no media coverage whatsoever besides the article on Crikey. It will have no affect on the sport, particularly given the MCSC is a social club not a soccer club.

    Given the situation, it is not unreasonable to be wary at the least. It’s not sensationalist, or stupid, as you can bet the local nazis think the MSCS is a safe haven. And they’re not wrong to think so.

    It is not a safe haven for neo-Nazis. Definitely sensationalist.

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