{"id":269,"date":"2006-07-04T12:01:10","date_gmt":"2006-07-04T02:01:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/slackbastard.anarchobase.com\/?p=269"},"modified":"2006-07-04T18:18:17","modified_gmt":"2006-07-04T08:18:17","slug":"responding-to-dreamhost-and-redwatch","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/slackbastard.anarchobase.com\/?p=269","title":{"rendered":"Responding to DreamHost and Redwatch"},"content":{"rendered":"
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I received the following comment inre DreamHost’s hosting of Redwatch from a bloke called Brad, and decided that I may as well post my reply here.<\/p>\n

I saw a comment<\/a> that you posted on Direland<\/a> about the Polish redwatch site being hosted by DreamHost<\/a>. I am currently hosted by them and was wondering if you had any more information about what action I might take to try to change this situation. If you could be of any assistance, I would like to discuss it on my site and let other people that use DreamHost know what we can do.<\/p>\n

Thank you.<\/p>\n

Brad<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Hi Brad,<\/p>\n

Thanks for getting in touch.<\/p>\n

At present, DreamHost is indeed the host for redwatch.info — the Polish version of Redwatch. Thus far, DreamHost’s position has been that the company supports ‘free speech’, that (as far as they’re concerned anyway) the content of the site breaks no US law and, as such, Polish neo-Nazis can continue to enjoy the services DreamHost provides them.<\/p>\n

I would suggest, to begin with, that you write to DreamHost and inform them of your concerns.<\/p>\n

DreamHost may be reached via:<\/p>\n

DreamHost Offices
\nDreamHost
\nPMB #257
\n417 Associated Rd.
\nBrea, CA 92821
\nUSA
\nFAX: 714-990-2600<\/p>\n

Business Development : bizdev@dreamhost.com
\nSpam \/ Abuse : abuse@dreamhost.com
\nDMCA Issues : jeff@dreamhost.com<\/p>\n

They also have a forum<\/a> in which this topic has been discussed and to which you may like to add your own two cents worth.<\/p>\n

Writing to DreamHost will most likely generate a response along the following lines:<\/p>\n

DreamHost strongly believes in the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, which guarantees its citizens freedom of speech and freedom of the press, among other things (both of which can apply to websites). We made a business decision long ago to value freedom of speech above any potential offense someone might take over the content of a site hosted by us.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

In other words, DreamHost believes (or pretends to believe) that redwatch.info is merely a forum for ‘offensive’ views, rather than an instrument that has been used to provide personal information regarding individuals who have later been targetted for assault and\/or murder by members of the local neo-Nazi milieu. Polish authorities have stated that, as the site is hosted in the US, they require the co-operation of US authorities in order to take any further action.<\/p>\n

The position DreamHost has taken is, from my perspective, unethical. From a legal perspective, it is, at the least, questionable, as DreamHost may be in violation of Californian laws inre ‘hate speech’ and ‘hate crimes’. Specifically, DreamHost could be prosecuted as an associated party to a crime under Sections 422.6 and 422.55 of the California penal code against hate crimes<\/a>.<\/p>\n

In relation to DreamHost’s alleged criminality, one person has commented on the forum listed above:<\/p>\n

…DreamHost’s clients (of the redwatch.info site) are committing a crime under Section 422.6 of the Californian Penal Code since they are making “speech which itself threatens violence against specific persons”. They risk 12 months prison or a $5000 fine.<\/p>\n

DreamHost has a clause about not allowing content which is illegal.<\/p>\n

If DreamHost management acts in “good faith” to prevent the continued crime, then they would presumably be able to defend themselves from being convicted as a supporting partner in crime and avoid… having to manage the DreamHost service from inside a prison cell.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

For further commentary on DreamHost, redwatch, and related issues, please also see the following posts (which appear in chronological order, from earliest to latest):<\/p>\n

“We are such stuff\u2026 As dreams are made on\u201d<\/a>
\n“Free Speech”<\/a>
\nPoland\u2019s chief rabbi attacked on Warsaw street<\/a>
\nDreamHost\u2019s undiplomatic love of fascist violence at a diplomatic crossroads<\/a>
\n[Polish] Government demands closure of [DreamHost\u2019s] far-right website<\/a>
\nCowardly neo-Nazi THUGs on di attack? Balls to that!<\/a>
\nDreamHosting a White Europe<\/a>
\nFascists arrested over redwatch<\/a>
\nPolish police arrest man suspected of co-authoring [Redwatch Poland]<\/a>
\nRedwatch UK not OK with MP; DreamHost still hearts neo-Nazism<\/a>
\nRedwatch UK<\/a>
\nMore on Redwatch Poland arrests<\/a>
\nOpposition to DreamHost’s redwatch gathers momentum…<\/a>
\nNationalism versus Culture; Life Against Death; Anti-fascism contra DreamHost<\/a>
\nBritish MPs talk Redwatch<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Polish anarchists have also made an international appeal for funds to help offset the medical costs incurred by Maciek, the Polish antifa attacked on May 16th this year after having been targetted by neo-Nazis via Redwatch.<\/p>\n

Maciek does not have medical insurance, so he may be forced to pay up to 20.000 PLN (5.000 Euro) for treatment.<\/p>\n

Here<\/a> are the details:<\/p>\n

We are collecting money to help [Maciek] pay for his treatment. We kindly ask for your help. Please, send money to this account with a note “For Maciek”:<\/p>\n

mBank PL81 1140 2004 0000 3202 3517 7247
\nkatarzyna jankowska
\nBRE Bank S.A. Retail Banking, al. Mickiewicza 10, 90-050 \u0141\u00f3d\u02c7
\nBIC\/SWIFT BRE Bank: BREXPLPWMUL
\nSORT CODE- 11402004<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

PS. A Liberal Democrat<\/a><\/strong> in the UK wishes to spark some debate<\/a> inre ‘free speech’ (and its limitations, if any).<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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