- Update (November 1, 2008) : Three men convicted in 2006 beating death of Corona man, Sonja Bjelland, The Press-Enterprise, October 27, 2008: Three Corona men were convicted of second-degree murder Monday in a beating death connected to a national gang. Richard James Dugan, 27, Jonathan Richard Morgan, 24, and Travis Daniel Westly, 25, face sentencing Dec. 12 after the jury found all three guilty of second-degree murder for the benefit of a street gang. Sean Gardhouse, 19, of Corona, was beaten June 23, 2006, in the parking lot of the Jack in the Box on Ontario Avenue in Corona and died five days later. His death focused attention on two gangs, Friends Stand United and El Cerrito Boys. Friends Stand United, a national gang, was written about in Rolling Stone in 2007. The group attracted attention with a DVD called “Boston Beatdown,” featuring footage of fights and music from hard-core punk bands…
Yeah so anyway. Anti-racists, thugs, or both, I dunno.
But so much for the Finance Sector Union.
FSU is “a fairly new phenomenon here and we’re still in the beginning stages of figuring out what these guys are all about,” Seattle police spokeswoman Debra Brown said. I say: following on from a string of other incidents (Friends Stand Charged: FSU Members Arrested for Weapons, Drugs Outside Local Club by Megan Seling, The Stranger, March 2–8, 2006, details one such incident), news that someone, allegedly a member of FSU, was charged with manslaughter back in January last year triggered a small amount of reflection on the gang’s (crew’s) past and present. Its past is fairly clear: the crew (gang) emerged as a response to the desire to rid Boston hardcore of boneheads and other racists; presently, the name has been adopted by a large range of others, in and outside of Boston, whether affiliated in some way to the original crew or not. Despite the overtly-hostile title, ‘Violent group spoils party for segment of music scene’ by Sara Jean Green (Seattle Times, March 7, 2006) provides a useful overview of the history of FSU, noting that the handful of arrests detailed in Seling’s report was more likely to have been of SHARPs than it was the Seattle FSU crew. Interestingly, Green notes that some of the friction in the scene is:
A matter of economics
The schism that’s occurring in the hardcore scene is at least partially due to economics, with a growing number of middle-class suburban kids getting involved in hardcore… Many don’t understand the etiquette or history of the scene, which has always had violent undercurrents, Collins said.
“I grew up in a trailer park with no money. A lot of guys in my crew, we grew up hard,” said Collins, originally from a rural area near Bremerton. Kids who grew up in places like Bellevue or Redmond “had to deal with tennis practice — we had to deal with not getting beat up on the way home from the [school] bus,” he said.
Though police have characterized FSU assaults as “random acts of violence,” Collins said that’s not the case. If FSU gets into a fight, there’s always a reason, he said.
“We’re civil people — we just don’t beat people ’til we can’t beat them anymore,” he said. “If I fight them, I’m going to fight them ’til I think they got what they deserved.”
But others worry that violence associated with FSU members could have a lasting impact beyond bruises and bloodied noses.
David Meinert, a former president of the Northwest chapter of the Recording Academy who manages the Seattle band Presidents of the United States of America, said FSU’s propensity for violence “is a negative black mark” on Seattle’s otherwise healthy hardcore scene. Meinert, who spent 10 years working to have the city’s Teen Dance Ordinance rescinded, worries that FSU’s reputation could prompt more police attention at all all-ages shows.
Speaking of economics, the producers of hardcore DVD Boston Breakdown offer an unnecessarily laboured response to accusations they unfairly profit from violence associated with the scene in Boston on their website. A not very posi review of the documentary is here; David King reflects on some hardcore issues here. Good, bad or indifferent, Alexander J. Franklin, the person charged with committing manslaughter in January 2007, has been acquitted.
Charges dropped in fatal fight at Asbury club
APP.com
February 29, 2008FREEHOLD — A Monmouth County grand jury on Wednesday refused to indict a Brooklyn man on manslaughter charges that had been lodged against him in the death of a Bass River man last year, the Prosecutor’s Office said.
Alexander J. Franklin, 34, a tattoo artist with reputed gang affiliations, had been accused in the beating death of James Morrison, 25, on Jan. 14, 2007.
Morrison died of blunt force trauma after an altercation at Club Deep, an Asbury Park nightclub, where he was allegedly punched in the head and later died of his injuries.
“A very thorough investigation was conducted at the time this crime occurred,” Monmouth County First Assistant Prosecutor Peter E. Warshaw said. “That information was presented to the grand jury in a thorough and comprehensive manner, and the grand jury declined to return any indictments.”
The grand jury’s vote means the police charges against Franklin are now dismissed, prosecutors said.
Franklin was initially arrested three weeks after the fight. At the time, police said Morrison hit his head on concrete after being felled by a blow to the head.
Morrison and his friends had allegedly been involved in an altercation inside the club over a T-shirt worn by one of Morrison’s friends. Show attendees said someone took offense that the shirt depicted a Confederate flag.
Prosecutors said Franklin was associated with the FSU gang — an acronym standing for Friends Stand United or two profanities followed by the word “up.” The group is reported to be responsible for driving neo-Nazi elements out of the Boston hard-core punk scene in the mid-1980s.
Warshaw said he could not comment further on the matter because of court rules that require grand jury proceedings to be kept secret.
Staff writer Matt Pais contributed to this story.
speaking of economics, you should listen to the Renegade Economists on 3cr(.org.au) wed from 5-6 ’cause it’s really ace and conveniently non-violent. (Not that it would be very easy to be violent on air…)
Could that plug be any more blatant?
FSU – Anti-Racist maybe, Thugs for sure, the important thing is they bash Nazis in the punk and HC scene, something that everyone should agree on. The boston beatdown videos are brilliant if you like watching violence and listening to HC, but it’s not like they are bashing nazis, it looks more like bullshit disputes over scene politics.
K: Yes. And no.
TS: Ronin Morris sez:
Speaking of economics, real estate and arson:
WOODINVILLE, Wash. (March 3) — Fires gutted four multimillion-dollar model homes in a Seattle suburb on Monday, and authorities found a sign purportedly left by eco-terrorists that mocks claims that the homes were environmentally friendly…
Well I seem to have made that mistake. I thought FSU was more involved in the Boston Beatdown vids.
I take back calling them thugs for sure, as Boston Beatdown was the main reason I thought they are thugs.
This shit is ridiculous. FSU is a wannabe DMS and could have only happened long after the actual death of real hardcore. This tough guy – grew up in a trailer park shit is laughable. Sure you have internet educated kids infiltrating your macho tough as nails bulldog hardcore posturing scene and man – that really gets on your nerves because this is supposed to be tough and violent right??? C’mon this is supposed to be fuckin tuff guys.
Thanks for kicking the rotting coffin of HARDCORE with misinterpretation and mind-numbing stupidity.
1983 NYHC
that’s bullshit. all we do is protect our turf. we have our rules. you break them we break you. we always tell you what is offending us. and we give you time to remedy it. if you don’t the repercussions will be dealt. we don’t take kindly to racists or homophobic people. myself being an African-American i feel fsu is necessary. we need to leave our marks on people so maybe they will straighten up. violence is the only way to get our points across. and it’s not like we’re horrible people. the fsu is a brotherhood. we look after our own and the less fortunate. your ill informed words are extremely upsetting also. stop painting us out to be the bad guys.
more power to you.
Fuck all FSU faggot fratboy whigger assholes. Keep smoking cocks you pussies.
1. fsu is not a bunch of frat boys.
2. MOST of the fsu guys are pretty chill, but the problem is the knuckleheads they affiliate themselves with. ive been to shows and seen what goes on, and sometimes its taken out of context, sometimes its not.
trying to justify ANY violence within the scene is profoundly opposite of what the scene stands for. granted good hardcore shows are tough to come by these days with the emergence of emo, or fag-core, the principles of what it was founded on should remain. to your left and right are your brothers, and not to take anything away from fsu, that has been bastardized. you are supposed to be accepted @ shows no matter what the uniform or outside taste in music, social status etc. Instead, some tough guys (this is not a broad generalization of fsu) beat up kids they dont know, beat up/jump kids for stupid reasons (hitting them in the pit, stepping on their sneakers) or just cause general mayhem. Hardcore is a brotherhood with no room for ignorance, hatred or excessive violence towards those supporting your scene.
“FSU” isnt even always fsu. lots of kids adopt the name and dont really understand its founding principles or even know the roots of the crew.
when it comes down to it, fsu are generally good people who act on impulse and dont understand the full gravity of what they do. calling them thugs is preposterous, as many are well educated on social issues, politics etc, but calling them excessively violent…that may be a bit more grounded statement.
get over it. violence is everywhere.
Jury selection expected to start in Corona beating death case
September 17, 2008
Jury selection is expected to get under way today in the trial of three reputed gang members accused in the death of a 19-year-old Corona man who was allegedly surrounded and pummeled, causing him to strike his head on a curb.
Richard James Dugan, 27, Jonathan Richard Morgan, 24, and Travis Daniel Westly, 26, are each charged with murder and sentence-enhancing gang allegations in connection with the death of Sean Thomas Gardhouse, according to a criminal complaint.
On June 23, 2006, Gardhouse was allegedly outside a Jack in the Box on Ontario Avenue in Corona when he ran afoul the defendants and a group of their friends, according to Riverside County Deputy District Attorney John Aki.
Dugan, Moran and Westly are alleged members of “Friends Stand United,” or FSU, a nationally affiliated gang comprised largely of young adult males who enjoy casual fist-fighting and other violent behavior. The gang’s history was revealed in the documentary film “See the World Through Our Eyes.”
According to Aki, the defendants had congregated outside the Jack in the Box with a dozen other people, anticipating a showdown with a rival gang that never materialized.
The prosecutor described the victim as a target of opportunity, somebody on whom the defendants could exercise their aggression.
The prosecutor said Gardhouse was punched until he lost his footing, fell down and struck his head on a curb.
The 19-year-old, who suffered severe head trauma, died a few days later at Riverside Community Hospital.
Westly and Morgan are being held at the Southwest Detention Center in Murrieta, and Dugan is jailed at Robert Presley Detention Center in Riverside. Westly’s bail is set at $2 million, while the other two are being held in lieu of $1.075 million bail.
thanks for the link kim…
i don’t know whether to believe everything i hear about fsu, but i will say it doesn’t make them look any better than the media already portrays them. it’s a damn shame
one of the founders of FSU:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_James
FSU are violent. not to everyone, but if you disrespect them, they wont hesitate to get physical. this is why they were able to rid the hardcore scene of nazis. a bunch of peace loving skinny pacifists werent going to do it.
i dont like that style of hardcore, nor do i like the type of shows FSU folks go to, mainly because i dont care for macho tough guys. at the same time, im glad they are around to keep nazis out of the scene.
i’ve never been in a fight with anyone from FSU or any other hardcore crew. it’s easy to avoid. that being said, they are thugs.
FSU goes both ways. I think the main idea and purpose of the whole gang still reflects in some areas of this fucking country… but here, where I live… it’s not about brotherhood and keeping the scene clean of scumbags and racists. It’s about making sure no one can dance without getting a nice hit to the jaw. I assure you that it’s not at all an accident. It’s about hitting women. No, not hitting women because they are right near the pit at a show. I mean hitting a 90 lb. girl in the face because she made the mistake of standing up for herself. It’s about stealing from your “friends” and lying about it. FSU is nothing but a name to make these KIDS feel more important, like they belong.
It’s a fucking front… and the thing that sucks, is that there’s nothing I can do about it.
CASE UPDATE
Westly took the stand on his on behalf!
This is from The Press-Enterprise…
A Corona man accused of murder testified Tuesday that he did punch the victim but did not intend to kill him.
Travis Westly and two other men are on trial in the death of Sean Gardhouse, who was beaten at a Jack in the Box restaurant in Corona and later died at Riverside Community Hospital. His death marked Corona’s only homicide in 2006.
The prosecution is alleging Westly and co-defendants Richard Dugan and Jonathan Morgan belonged to the gangs Friends Stand United and El Cerrito Boys, and beat up Gardhouse, who they believed was a member of another gang. Gardhouse was not a gang member.
On the stand, Westly said he had been working to expand his concert security business connected to Friends Stand United, which he described as lessening violence at hard core punk rock shows.
Westly said he heard screaming in the parking lot after eating with friends at the Jack in the Box on Ontario Avenue in Corona. Then he saw a man he later found out was Gardhouse and asked him what was going on. He said Gardhouse already had blood on his mouth and told Westly that one of the people in his group was “tripping.”
In questioning by his defense attorney, Brent Romney, Westly said he hit Gardhouse two to three times. He said he didn’t know why but there was a lot of commotion in the parking lot and knew some friends of his had been confronted by a group of men earlier in the evening.
“I didn’t really know what was going on, so I just swung,” Westly said.
He described how Gardhouse fell to the ground and said he stopped hitting him.
“Did you intend to kill him?” Romney asked.
“No,” Westly replied.
Westly left the scene and days later was arrested at his brother’s wedding in Chino Hills. He told police originally that he did not punch Gardhouse but was in the parking lot. During testimony, he said that Dugan and Morgan did not beat up anyone.
In cross examination, Deputy District Attorney John Aki questioned Westly about how his experience doing security allowed him to remain calm and break up fights. Westly said someone yelling, cussing or screaming at someone would justify swinging first.
“Did Sean Gardhouse do that?” Aki asked.
“No, he did not,” Westly said.
FSU IS MAH SHIT!
LONG LIVE FSU!
THEY ARE FRIENDS THAT HAVE EACH OTHER’S BACK. BASICALLY IF YOU FUCK WITH ONE OF US (FRIEND) WE WILL COME BACK WITH MORE PEOPLE TO BEAT YOUR FUCKING ASS. THEY ARE MY BOYS. WE ARE NOT RACIST WE STAND UP FOR EACH OTHER.
FUCK THE HATERS!!!
Guilty Guilty Guilty!!!
These three will definitely have each other’s backs for a long time!!!
FSU IS MAH SHIT!
LONG LIVE FSU!
THEY ARE FRIENDS THAT HAVE EACH OTHER’S BACK. BASICALLY IF YOU FUCK WITH ONE OF US (FRIEND) WE WILL COME BACK WITH MORE PEOPLE TO BEAT YOUR FUCKING ASS. THEY ARE MY BOYS. WE ARE NOT RACIST WE STAND UP FOR EACH OTHER.
FUCK THE HATERS!!!
The above explains it all. What a bunch of wannabe tough guy douche bags!
You crazy kids!
FSU is for pussies. I have seen many kids from your supposed brotherhood. They are all the same tough guys till you confront them one on one. What you don’t know is when one FSU member has a problem with someone they all do. So the numbers are usually something around 8 on 1… PUSSIES. Let’s equal the crews and i can promise that you will all be in Mass general with apple sauce diets. You soft bitches. MY best friend, a kid i consider my family, was in the city and someone else must have offended these little bitches. Cause he was going with his gf out to eat and they surrounded him. SMASHED HIM WITH BOTTLES. Kicked him while he was defenseless. To this i call all the FSU members little weak pussy bitches. They can’t fight by themselves so they get a bunch more soft faggots and start a club that are supposed vigilantes… Ya OK… What you are, are a bunch of losers who live in your parent’s basements, jerking off to posters cause you can’t do any better. FUCK YOU PUSSIES…
FSU = Fags Sucking Undercover.
Nothing but a bunch of wannabes and bullies. Beating up on kids and threatening women!
bros of all nationality, i am intelligent, and straight up crazy! I have a full time job drilling for natural gas in grand junction co. give me some feedback straight up or i will join and stay my own.
thank you kellank
While some of the attributes of the ‘gang’ FSU are noble as in their ethnic principles, but ultimately these lunatics consist mainly of ‘outcasts’ in its purest form. In defining this stereotypical moron, one may assimilate their mindset with that of a “cop without a badge”! Or in laymen’s terms; a slow person, slightly handicapped, and evidently unable to psychologically control, accept, or locate recreationally intended mind altering substances, which explains their outright anger and violence toward others that have the mental capabilities to appreciate the occasional ‘party’. Many could say these once oppressed retards of childhood have simply united and are unable to fundamentally secure the badge likeminded, but educated ‘jokes’ of youth have sought. Finally, these drooling, illiterate fools should join our military. This is where they belong!
I never understood 2 guy on one fights these guys seem to advocate. One on one is a fair fight, anything else is just cowardly. The same goes for beating a guy when he’s already laid out; what are you trying to prove/do/get?
There is nothing good about these punks who glorify violence. Why is it always a group against just one? Nothing but human trash … I say jail every one of them and deport them.
When our country is at war, do we count each other’s soldiers to make sure it’s exactly even? Of course not. The aforementioned 8 on 1 incidents do seem a bit excessive, but it’s not a pretty little boxing match with points and penalties, it’s a war, so all’s fair. But if someone walks into a hardcore show with a swastika shirt on, then they are basically begging to get spanked by a dozen people at once. From what I’ve experienced and heard FSU kids (genuine fsu, not the posers) don’t “jump” people, but rather they react to people. If an FSU hears some tool in the club dropping N-bombs, or preaching some skinhead shit, then the FSU squads up with his buddies and says, “this dickbag needs to be taught a lesson”. So they might catch him outside, which can easily be perceived by the uninformed as a “jump” or as unfair, but when someone is a racist asshole, or ignorant skinhead, all bets are off; I’ll drive my car over them, then back up again, whether anyone thinks it’s fair or not. That ignorant racist skinhead shit must be stopped, by any means available. One cannot judge the excessiveness of FSU reactions, when they could have avoided eliciting a reaction in the first place.
“But if someone walks into a hardcore show with a swastika shirt on, then they are basically begging to get spanked by a dozen people at once.”
Perhaps, but Sean was not a neo-Nazi skinhead. He just seems to have upset a gang member.
I don’t care for neo-Nazi anybody. I don’t care for racists. I’d willingly kick the shit out of any jagoff who walks around with bigot crap inked all over their body. The way I’d do it though is one on one, skin on skin. Any bitch that needs a group of guys just to kick the shit out of a bitch jagoff like a neo-Nazi are pussys and would no doubt be the first to rat out a so called friend. Where I come from rats don’t last long. And if any of you FSU guys are from Southie and you really do group beat downs then you don’t represent the guys I use to know from Southie. You’re pussys! The pride of a guy from Southie would be to step up and fight a guy straight up, one on one and skin on skin unless the other guy went to a blade or heat first. Then you go with the better fire power as fast as you can. That’s what being a guy from Southie means to me. I’m not from Southie. I’m from Lowell. And we’re the same kind of people you find in Southie. I know this from the many guys I know from Southie. I come from behind bars. Iron bars. So do my Southie friends. Friends for life. They’d do anything for me AS LONG AS I AM A STAND UP GUY!! If I go running to them and ask them to help me beat someone down without a legitimate reason, they won’t be my friend for long. You gotta be a man and step up when step up time comes. If you don’t you’re just as much a pussy as that skinhead jagoff. And when I say “step up”, I mean one on one. If you have a problem with someone and you want to do something about it then at least have the balls to step up and beat him down one on one. Don’t puss out. If one of his guys jumps in then all bets are off. Until then, grow some balls and trade skin one on one or crawl away with you tail between your legs!!
“Sword”! not the scottish sword. scottish was a place holder so i could get the comment in. now it’s correct.
Sword.
[Fixed — @ndy.]
There is no justifying what FSU stands for. Read the articles on Sean Gardhouse’s case. He went to Jack-in-the-Box to meet his girlfriend and got jumped by a group of FSU members in the parking lot. These were not “poser” members as mentioned previously. You can see their pictures on the most recent “Gangland” episode. Elgin James came to the trial to support them. Apparently, Travis Westly is the “advisor” of the So Cal chapter. Also, Westly was initially arrested for possession of cocaine and steroids. I thought FSU preached “straight edge.” He calls himself the “summertime snowman.” He broke at least 2 rules.
(1) Don’t jump people who haven’t “asked for it.”
(2) Lead a straight edge life.
These FSU members don’t even believe in what they stand for. That just makes them a violent street gang with an M.O. for beating whomever they feel like.
Also, check out the 2004 beating of David Puppi in Corona. FSU hid in the victim’s dark garage and attacked him and his friends with brass knuckles, hockey sticks, and baseball bats. Some fair fight…
Read up on Jimmy Morrison’s death by FSU. His friend wore a shirt sporting the confederate flag, so they jumped him. Jimmy jumped in to help his friend and was beat to death. His murderer was let go because witnesses were too scared to come forward.
Let me know if you want more on this subject…
G’day Someone,
I’m not sure. I guess that depends on what (you think) FSU stands for. According to reports I’ve read, it emerged in order to rid the ‘scene’ of boneheads — which I think is worthwhile. To the extent that FSU has developed into just another gang, it appears to have devolved from its original purpose.
(The stuff about drugs is in the post above, but if you’ve any more links, please feel free to provide ’em.)
your all a bunch of pussy fuckin strait edge fucks any one of you alone would get your ass beat down fuckin fags!!!!!!!!!!!!
im with billybadass. your a gang of pussys who cant fight so you have to have a crew. then you say your the good guys cause you dont drink or do drugs. i know people who do both and dont cause nearly as much shit as these sissies do. grow some balls and be men fight one on one fags.
It amazes me that there are a few people here trying to justify how FSU uses ten members to jump one or two guys. There are very few absolutes in life, but one of them is definitely:
If you gang up on people to kick the shit out of them, you’re a fucking pussy.
There is no justification. I don’t care if the guy is a Neo-Nazi, even. I hate racists, but don’t you have anyone in your “tough” crew who can kick the shit out of some lame ass Neo-Nazi by himself?
Gangs may start out as a brotherhood or with good intentions, but they always denigrate to becoming a refuge for pussies who want to be violent but don’t want to ever be on the losing end of a fight. If you are that scared to get your ass kicked, STOP STARTING FIGHTS. I think it’s great that there are still people who settle disputes with their fists and not weapons, but if you need eight friends or a bunch of weapons, you’re a lowly douchebag, end of story.
Oh, and you aren’t really earning respect that way. It’s not really respect if people are just pretending to respect you because they know they can’t win a fight by themselves against eight guys. Whether these people say it or not, they KNOW you’re douchebags, and you have earned NO respect whatsoever. You might as well kick the shit out of little kids outside of an elementary school if you’re going to gang up on one guy.
Stop trying to justify this bullshit. It’s one thing to have your brother’s back, it’s another thing to just be looking for an excuse to attack a defenseless person because you don’t trust yourself to win an actual fight. If you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go beat up on mentally handicapped or elderly people to prove how FUCKING BADASS I am now. Maybe I can start a Midwest branch of FSU then?
I believe FSU is a good thing. They are just friends that have each other’s back. Plus they are getting people off of drugs and they are supporting all the right things. So the ones that think it’s a bad thing maybe you’re the ones for all the wrong things.
If they really got each others back, then how about settin a great example. Wanna be a tuffguy and stand for something noble? Join the true BADDASSES. United States Marine Corps!
Maybe they’re familiar with the work of USMC Major General Smedley Butler?
1933:
“War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.
I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we’ll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.
I wouldn’t go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
There isn’t a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its “finger men” to point out enemies, its “muscle men” to destroy enemies, its “brain men” to plan war preparations, and a “Big Boss” Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.
It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country’s most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.
I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
FSU Rules. Go Seminoles!!
FSU IS STUPID!
I respect strait edge people. Granted im not one my self but im responsible and not and idoit. I like hardcore and im down to beat up anyone who talks shit to my friends especially if its over race.
HEY FSU
WE ALL HATE
RACIST FASCIST PIGS AND DRUNK IDOITS
WHY THE FUCK CANT WE GET ALONG WITH LESS VIOLENCE!
Retta,
You have no clue of what you speak! They are not getting people off of drugs or keeping people off of drugs! They are a group of idiots that go around and beat people up or even worse they kill them!
Ok, plain and simple. I understand sticking up for friends. I don’t understand group beating scenarios of 3,4,5 or more on 1. Look if you wanna fight someone at least tell them that you want to fight instead of sucker punching someone who has no idea that a fight is happening and then having all of your friends join in the beating. You have a problem and you want to fight then offer the challenge and fight one on one or don’t fight at all. Some band in Boston had the gall to call themselves Death Before Dishonor, those same people condone 3,4,5 etc on 1 beatings? Where is the honor in that?
Hardcore is dead now. The Boston scene has only disintegrated into total hooliganism. The Boston scene is without honor or morals. I watched Boston Beatdown. What a joke! Boston Hardcore thinks that 10 on 1 is a fair fight? They think that beating an old man is honorable? The Boston Scene has rotted from the inside out. Thanks for killing hardcore Boston!
Hardcores wanna fight? Then fight one on one! That is true Hardcore. That is true honor.
FSU should change their name to the Bloods or maybe the Hells Angels.
FSU IS THE SHlT
STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE!
XXX
TILL DEATH
I for one know a lot of FSU members very well, im dating one, the guy who tattoos me is FSU, the guys i hang out with are FSU. not all of them, but the ones who arent FSU are in other crews. And yes, they are violent. BUT so are all the other crews i hang out with and only towards people who really deserve it. I think what makes them look the worst is all the tattoos. but tattoos dont make them bad people.
I have tattoos as well, im not in a gang, im not in FSU, im not anything… and people treat me like shit. I have a full time job, i have an apartment, my boyfriend, an fsu member, has a job, pays his bills, lives with me. Yeah he goes to shows, yes he gets in fights but not with people who dont deserve it. He doesnt roam the streets at night looking for “emo kids” to beat up. I find it funny that people sit on these sites and argue back and forth saying these people are bad people or they are good. Just like any “crew and/or gang” there are the people who give them a bad name. Not all of those people are horrible and go cause these horrible crimes.
I support FSU. I have nothing but love for them. Most of you fucks who talk shit about them have never even spent time with them. These guys are people too. They have jobs and have kids… not all of them deserve to be called hooligans or gang members.They stand together, for something…. at least they can say that. Most of you dont stand for anything. To me this shit is completely ridiculous. You make forums to talk shit on something you really know nothing about, besides what you see on “gangland” or what you see on the news.
A lot of those kids who get hurt at shows need to stay the fuck away from the pit. End of story. Ive been kicked, punched tackled and you dont see me pressing charges. If you dont want to get hit, stay away from the pit. End of story. These guys dance… ive seen them get kicked out of hardcore shows for dancing… there were two different pits… the kids who pushmosh and the guys who dance… and these kids who pushmosh are starting fights with the guys who dance for no reason. But only the guys who dance got kicked out. Not just told to leave, but thrown out by “bouncers” thrown out on their faces. And you wonder why there is so much violence in these scenes.
Ive fought with bouncers and im a girl. I’m 5’3″ 130 lbs and i got thrown out into the street on my face… and yes, something was done about it. But its the fact that you people judge these people like they are never provoked… you act like they just go, and that whole travis westly thing… you people say “hes just meeting his gf and got killed” people can sit there and say he did nothing… but honestly… noone but the three who were charged with murder and the man who was killed know what happened. And of course the people who were there and friends with the kid who got killed are going to say he did nothing. These “gang members” killed him… they may have… but you cant say that kid didnt do or say something to provoke him… you werent there… you dont know… shut the fuck up. I know people WHO PERSONALLY KNOW TRAVIS WESTLY.
You all can do or say whatever you want about FSU but you really dont understand it until you maybe take the time to get to know at least one of them. They look big and mean… but honestly… most of the ones i know are the biggest sweethearts in the world. I would love to see half of you say the negative shit you have been to any of their faces… because you wouldnt… because you know disrespecting them gets you in trouble. But if you ask them about things and actually sit down and talk, its a completely different story.
You ignorant stupid girl! Travis Westly testified in court that Sean did nothing to provoke him. Go back and reread what you wrote!!! Travis Westly is SCUM. Always has been and always will be!
hm. you say youre dating someone from FSU and you hang with them, and the only reason they beat the shit out people is for a reason? youre not the only one that hangs out with them, i know members from FSU that beat the shit out of a band for no reason. if there was a reason i would of known.and yeah, i do know my shit. i agree with you that they do stand for brotherhood and being together, but dont act like they are goodie goodies. they are hypocrites in different ways. and you cant say “oh you just think they are bad cuz weve never hung out with them”. thats bullshit, i know quite a few and they like fighting. maybe it just so happens the ones you hang out with are more true to it, or whatever but your theory doesnt apply to every FSU member.
This is going to be fun. First and foremost, this chick two posts up from me, NOone, is a total fucking retard. Dude, you sound like such a tag-a-long wannabe poser bitch. Of course they’re nice to you, UR FUCKING THEIR FRIEND! DUH! If you were dating a nazi you’d probably feel the same way about his friends, “OH They’re not so bad once you get to know them. They just want a white America and oppose the jew controlled corporate media” DUMB BITCH! ANYWAY, a gang is a fucking gang. “Oh they’re friends who stand up for each other”. So do the fucking Bloods and Crips, Aryan Nation, La Familia etc. FSU’s not doing anything new. To say the least it’s exactly like the whole outlaw biker mentality. And yes it is to anyone who doesn’t know or hasn’t made that connection or whatever. I own a tattoo shop and have dealt with fucking bikers all the goddamn time and I constantly have to listen to their bullshit. Its the same shit, minus the anti racism.
And what the fuck does being “Anti-Racist” have to do with anything anyway? Sure they started it to fight off nazis or whatever the fuck but now it sounds like they are just using that as a front. Do they fight Black extremists? Hell the new black panthers talk about killing white babies. What about Black Islam? No? Then what the fuck?
If it was just anti Nazi, that would be cool…BUT that would just make them a hate group against nazis. And that’s cool. Fuck nazis, BUT….. Remember a nazi is just doing what they think is right (even though it’s stupid) just like a member of FSU or someone in the Anti Racist Action network are doing what they think is right.
In conclusion, I am anti racist to the core and will admit when I first encountered groups like FSU and the ARAN I was totally down with it. BUT the more I read about the organizations the more they seem to mirror the things I’m against. Fighting racism is one thing but bullying and violent mob mentalities is another. I just don’t see how that is progressive toward equality in any way. While the groups say they are anti racist they are really just interested in physical conflict or fighting free speech. Sorry this got soooooo long.
Good points Jacob. Let’s see the FSU stand up to black and islamic racism. In my opinion these (fsu) guys ARE THE SAME AS NAZIS! Millions of law abiding, productive members of society enjoy partying and getting their buzz on. And they have a legal right to do so even if they want to act like an idiot while doing it. If you don’t like it, shut the fuck up, or state your own idiotic opinion back. If you throw the first punch, you are a criminal and you are doing more damage to society than any drunk sitting on a bar stool. Yes, the FSU is a bunch of low-IQ, pussy hypocrites. Lets see you run the black panthers out of town… pussies.
I’m from the UK and have never been in a ‘crew’, yet been into h/c since 1988. I feel sorry that FSU and DMS have been turned from their original ideals of outcast kids looking out for one another. Now they’re the thugs, the bigots and the bullies.
Hardcore and Punk was against all that toughguy shit, we were all for the underdog, fighting the scum who pushed us around for being different. It’s all different now. I don’t believe hardcore still exists, it’s just lame metal these days.