Yeah Nah Pasaran! #202 w Tyler West on Southern Africa in the political imagination of New Zealand’s radical right : April 4, 2024

This week on Yeah Nah Pasaran! on 3CR we talk to Tyler West. Tyler is an historian who blogs at Notes South From Nowhere and is the co-author, with Dr Sebastian Potgieter, of ‘‘A bastion of white supremacy’: Southern Africa in the political imagination of New Zealand’s radical right’, which ‘unearths a long history of rightist solidarity in New Zealand with the cause of white rule in Southern Africa’ (see : Histories of Hate: The Radical Right in Aotearoa New Zealand (Otago University Press, 2023)). We spoke to Tyler about this history and some of its contemporary resonances.

See also : A review of Histories of Hate by Rowan Light (Aotearoa New Zealand Review of Books, March 22, 2023) /// The tour that split the Nation – 1981 Springbok Tour to New Zealand, Te Ao with Moana, July 15, 2022 /// Patu!: a 1983 documentary film about the Springbok tour, directed by Merata Mita | It’s time the RSA acknowledged its ugly history of racism, Scott Hamilton, The Spinoff, April 21, 2021 /// Rhodesia and Apartheid South Africa in the Far Right Popular Imagination, Evan Smith, New Historical Express, June 19, 2015 | Yeah Nah Pasaran! #201 w Chris Wilson on the Christchurch terrorist, Australia & 4chan : March 28, 2024 /// Yeah Nah Pasaran! #175 w Matthew Cunningham on Histories of Hate: The Radical Right in Aotearoa New Zealand : August 24, 2023.

4.30pm, Thursday, April 4, 2024 /// 3CR /// 855AM / streaming live on the 3CR website

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Yeah Nah Pasaran! #201 w Chris Wilson on the Christchurch terrorist, Australia & 4chan : March 28, 2024

This week on Yeah Nah Pasaran! on 3CR we talk to Chris Wilson [X/Twitter]. Chris is the co-founder and director of Hate & Extremism Insights Aotearoa (HEIA) and a Lecturer in Politics and International Relations at the University of Auckland. Along with his colleagues Ethan Renner, Jack Smylie and Michal Dziwulski, Chris has been researching the online activity of the Australian convicted of conducting the terrorist attacks on mosques in Christchurch on March 15, 2019. The fifth anniversary of the murderous assaults received little to no attention in Australian media and politics but it remains an important event, and Chris & Co. maintain that through ‘placing his online posting against his other online and offline activities, we gain a far more complete picture of the path to his attack’; further, it’s critical to appreciate that ‘his online community played a role in his radicalisation’.

See : Christchurch attacks 5 years on: terrorist’s online history gives clues to preventing future atrocities, The Conversation, March 14, 2024 /// Christchurch terrorist discussed attacks online a year before carrying them out, new research reveals, The Conversation, February 21, 2024 /// The road to March 15: ‘networked white rage’ and the Christchurch terror attacks, Paul Spoonley and Paul Morris, The Conversation, March 10, 2023 /// Neo-Nazis Use Discord Chats to Promote New Zealand Copycat Shootings, Chris Schiano, Unicorn Riot, May 10, 2019 | Rehabilitating fascists : Lauren Southern, Sky News & Media Diversity (September 22, 2020) | Fascists Among Us: online hate and the Christchurch massacre, Jeff Sparrow (Scribe 2019) /// Jeff Sparrow on Fascists Among Us, Yeah Nah Pasaran!, 3CR, January 16, 2020.

4.30pm, Thursday, March 28, 2024 /// 3CR /// 855AM / streaming live on the 3CR website

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#LetWomenSpeak (2023) ~vs~ #WomenWillSpeak (2024) in Naarm/Melbourne

[Update (March 26, 2024) : Self-described ‘nationalist’ speaks at anti-trans rights rally on Victoria parliament steps, Benita Kolovos, The Guardian, March 26, 2024. TLDR : Mr Trihey denies being a neo-Nazi and apologises for drawing undue attention to his presence on the day.]

Matt Trihey of the ‘National Workers Alliance’ addresses the ‘Women Will Speak’ anti-trans rally, Naarm/Melbourne, March 23, 2024.

Yeah so anyway, Michelle Uriarau (AKA the co-founder of the ‘Women’s Action Group’ and ‘Mana Wāhine Kōrero’) organised an anti-trans rally on Saturday on the steps of the Victorian state parliament. Scheduled to coincide with the first anniversary of the 2023 stoopid and titled ‘Women Will Speak’ — M’lady’s publicity stunt was titled ‘Let Women Speak’ — the rally was, predictably, a somewhat farcical affair, and produced pretty much what you’d expect it would: a smol gathering of TERFs, sympathisers, a large number of supportive cookers, and a handful of known neo-Nazis and other ‘interesting’ Volk.

Along, of course, with a shedload of police and a mildly-rowdy, quite-noisy and somewhat-disruptive counter-rally.

(Note that police arrested two attendees for wandering in the direction of the rally while shouting for nazis to go away. These scenes of incredible carnage naturally triggered calls by various members of the commentariat for more police and more police powers.)

The most prominent neo-Nazis to attend Uriarau’s event were a bloke called Matt Trihey and another known as ‘Philfy’. Herr Trihey is currently the lvl boss of a NEW! neo-Nazi groupuscule called the ‘National Workers Alliance’ (NWA). It shares the anxieties of others with regards the subversion of the gendered order by unruly members of various LGBTQIA+ communities and it was in this capacity that, in order to ensure that he and other supporters of ‘Women Will Speak’ could be heard over the protestations of the counter-rally, Trihey kindly provided his PA to a grateful Urirarau. Beyond this, Mr. Trihey is also a former MMA and member of the defunct neo-Nazi groupuscule ‘The Lads Society’ (for whom he provided some martial arts training). In the last few years, however, Trihey’s played a more prominent role in local cooker organising, whose weekly tramps through the city on a Saturday condemning #DictatorDan and proclaiming their commitment to freedumbs from Big Pharma often end at the steps of parliament and its environs.

As for The Lads Society, it was established on the ruins of the ‘United Patriots Front’ and dissolved towards the end of 2019 following the collapse of its ‘social club’ in Cheltenham. From the ashes of The Lads, its lvl boss Tom Sewell then created the European Australian Movement/National Socialist Network, which also incorporated members of the similarly defunct ‘Antipodean Resistance’ and various other tiny neo-Nazi fractions. Both Sewell and The Lads gained some smol notoriety for trying to recruit the Christchurch killer, and while that event has largely been forgotten in Australia, its fifth anniversary was just a week ago. In any case, like Trihey & Co. this year, Sewell and the EAM/NSN attended Lady Parker’s publicity stunt last year both in order to help women speak but also to get their very important message across (albeit rather more crudely than other attendees):

More generally, while Victorian state MP David Limbrick was present, fellow MP (and anti-abortion activist) Moira Deeming was absent this year. Of course, Deeming is suing Victorian Liberals lvl boss John Pesutto for defamation for allegedly calling her a ‘nazi’, so this was probably for the best. Still, in this context, it’s worth considering Deeming’s address to Warren Mundine’s ‘Conservative Political Action Conference’ last year, because:

a) Lady Parker obtained support from CPAC for the tour (see also : Dave Pellowe/Church And State);
b) Despite their attendance at and support for Parker’s event, Deeming took the opportunity at CPAC to declare that the NSN are ‘socialists’ and therefore indistinguishable from the other ‘socialists’ who opposed their presence on the day. For intellectual support for this position see also Peter van Onselen, Concetta Fierravanti-Wells and Over 9,000 right-wing bloggers. For a refutation by people who can read, see Nazism, socialism and the falsification of history (Matt Fitzpatrick and A. Dirk Moses, ABC Religion & Ethics, August 20, 2018);
c) The conference she spoke at was sponsored by Christian nationalist crowdfunder ‘Give Send Go’, which the NSN has used to raise tens of thousands of dollars to support these and other actions (see, for example, Prosecutor seeks jail for neo-Nazis who attacked hikers in Victorian bush, Kristian Silva, ABC, March 22, 2024 and Nazis in Sydney : Groundhog Day, January 30, 2024).

In my view, last year’s anti-trans stoopid outside the Victorian parliament helped to reinforce a real split between ‘liberals’ and ‘conservatives’ within the Victorian Liberals, and seems to have played no small role in accelerating a decline in the party’s fortunes (as well as creating a lawyer’s picnic).

And oh yeah.

Phillip Simpson (AKA ‘Philfy’) is a batshit nazi from Queensland, whom I last recall from threatening to arrange for local (?!) members of the Ukrainian Azov Assault Brigade to destroy an anti-fascist gig in Naarm last year. (Reader, they did not attend.) You may also remember Philfy from such headlines as Video: Watch the moment a Logan man live streams own arrest outside shopping centre (Danielle Buckley, The Courier Mail, July 1, 2021).

On the day, Philfy wore a tee that proclaimed that he was a ‘Real Woman’ on the front and a member of a ‘Right Wing Death Squad’ on the back. Oddly, besides dictators like Augusto Pinochet and mass murderers like Mauricio Garcia, another fan of RWDS is Timmeh! Wilms of far-right propaganda network The UnHinged. Timmeh! once hosted a vodcast with cooker, ex-Proud Boy, ex-NSN member, sometime-rapper and now (?) Fink Jarrad ‘Jaz’ Searby, but also, happily enough, was afforded the opportunity to interview Deeming about the ‘March for the Babies’ a few years ago (another right-wing rally to attract the participation and support of neo-Nazis, White supremacists and other fascist bizarr0s).

Finally, also in attendance (and attracting some negative attention from elements of the counter-rally) was Shayne W, better known as the cooker/livestreamer ‘Auditing Australia’.

More later …

See/hear also : Clashes, anger and arrests in Melbourne as ‘neo-Nazis’ allegedly show up at gender-critical rally, Hilary Mitchell, Pink News, March 23, 2024 /// Police defend using pepper spray at #WomenWillSpeak rally on Victoria parliament steps, Benita Kolovos, The Guardian, March 24, 2024 | The right-wing ‘union’ bringing anti-trans activists to Australia, Parker McKenzie, The New Daily, February 13, 2024 and, on a related note : Taking White Supremacist Talking Points Mainstream, Matt McManus and Nathan J. Robinson, Current Affairs, September 2, 2022 | Yeah Nah Pasaran! #160 w Alex Hinton on 2023 CPAC, anti-trans politics, genocide and justice : May 4, 2023 /// Yeah Nah Pasaran! #122 w Heron Greenesmith on the right & anti-LGBTQI politics in the United States : June 30, 2022.

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Yeah Nah Pasaran! #200 w Andy Fleming & Cam Smith : March 21, 2024

This week on Yeah Nah Pasaran! on 3CR we celebrate our 200th episode by talking to each other about stuff, including by way of providing inadequate answers to the questions posed by YOU, the listener!

Other podcasts/publications mentioned:

12 Rules for What — ‘A podcast about the far right.’
Garbage Day — ‘For folks that remember growing up in the west wild of AIM and Kazaa and message boards and know that, even though it’s probably politically destabilized most of the planet, the internet can still good and fun.’
I Don’t Speak German — ‘A podcast confronting white nationalism one asshole at a time.’
Know Your Enemy — ‘A leftist’s guide to the conservative movement, one podcast episode at a time’
Tech Won’t Save Us — ‘Every Thursday, Paris Marx speaks to a new expert to dissect the tech industry, the powerful people at its helm, and the products and services it unleashes on the world.’
The Empire Never Ended — ‘Antifascist Amerikanski-Balkan podcast about (neo) fascist terror, the (deep) state and the alienation, nihilism and desperation produced by the capitalist system. And how to get rid of all that. Something like that.’
The Racket — ‘The Racket takes its name from the speeches of Smedley Butler, a legendary Marine turned antiwar activist in the years before World War II. After decades of advancing the causes of U.S. capitalism, empire, and his own career—at the expense of peoples all over the world—Butler became a fierce critic of all three.’
Today in Tabs — ‘Every civilized weekday (i.e. Mon-Thu, Fridays by appointment only) Today in Tabs contains a lot of internet, compressed as tightly as I can get it.’

Hear also : Channel Zero Network — ‘An anarchist radio/podcast network run by radical media makers.’ /// It’s Going Down — ‘Looking for hard-hitting analysis on the growing crisis? Searching for a revolutionary anarchist, anti-fascist, and autonomous anti-capitalist alternative to the far-Right and the neo-liberal center?’

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Lady Parker & Co. ~vs~ John Pesutto


It’s been 12 months since the English grifter known as Lady Posie Parker staged an anti-trans rally and publicity stunt outside the Victorian state parliament. This was the rally/stunt at which, notoriously, she was joined — ‘gatecrashed’, in Australian media parlance — by Tom Sewell and members of his National Socialist Network. You may remember them from such episodes as ‘Don’t Go To Sydney’ and ‘Good Luck, Gentlemen’.

See : “Posie Parker, you can’t hide. You’ve got Nazis on your side.” and Who were the neo-Nazis at Posie Parker’s rally in Melbourne?.

Having been booted from the party room in the aftermath of this extraordinary performance, Moira Deeming MP is currently suing Victorian Liberals party leader John Pesutto for defamation (TLDR: ‘He called me a Nazi’). Today, it was announced that Deeming will be joined by Parker and rally organiser Angie Jones. Reportedly, they’ll be represented in court by failed Tory candidate for Warringah (2022) Katherine Deves.

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Statement by anti-fascists in (so-called) Australia on the fifth anniversary of the Christchurch attack of March 15, 2019



Anti-fascists gathered in a number of Australian cities yesterday to mark the fifth anniversary of the Christchurch massacre and issued the following statement:

Five years on, we gathered across ‘Australia’ to honour the victims and survivors of the terrorist attack on Ōtautahi/Christchurch mosques by Australian neo-Nazi Brenton Tarrant on 15 March 2019. We express our solidarity with Muslims in Aotearoa New Zealand and in ‘Australia’, where we recognise a dangerous climate of increasing Islamophobia and anti-Arab hatred. Tarrant was first radicalised here in Australia in a similar climate. The neo-Nazis who he donated to and who tried to recruit him, continue to operate with impunity. Confronting fascism, Nazism and racism in our cities and towns remains our duty as antifascists.

Ahad Nabi, son of the martyr Haji-Daoud Nabi (who greeted the terrorist with “Hello, brother” and was then gunned down) gave this victim impact statement in 2020:

“You deserve to be buried in a landfill. This world was created with colour, a peasant like you will never change the human race. Your wish is to make this world a racist cult of one colour, but you will never succeed…I ask that he be put in mainstream prison and stop wasting taxpayer money on giving him special treatment and protection. And coming back to this maggot, I would like to say that my 71-year-old dad would have broke you in half if you challenged him to a fight. But you are weak, a sheep with a wolf’s jacket on, for only ten minutes of your whole life. I’m strong, and you made me even stronger. Allahu Akbar.”

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anarchist notes (march 14, 2024) : anarchism and world systems analysis /// class struggle in sweden

Anarcho-syndicalist Piper Tompkins is visiting (so-called) Australia and talking world-systems theory:

Anarchism and World Systems Analysis

‘Piper Tompkins is a trans anarcho-syndicalist who writes and makes videos about politics, philosophy, and social science. Piper will be presenting on the anarchist movement and the social science of world-systems analysis. The presentation will explore the historical development of capitalism and anarchism as well as some of the fundamental ideas of world-systems analysis.’

Brisbane
6.30pm, Wednesday March 20
Common House
74b Wickham Terrace, Fortitude Valley

Sydney
6.30pm, Friday March 22
Jura Books
440 Parramatta Road, Petersham

Adelaide
6.30pm, Wednesday March 27
Hutt Street Library
235 Hutt Street

Melbourne
3.00pm, Saturday March 30
Temple Park Community Centre
24 Gray Street, Brunswick

*The Melbourne presentation is part of a series of four. For more details, please see : Anarchism 2024.

Presented by : Anarcho-Syndicalist Federation.

Also dropping by Down Under is a member of the SAC, to discuss class struggle in Sweden:

Class Struggle in Sweden

‘Considered the ‘successful’ example of social democracy, class conflict in Sweden is often overlooked. Join Cim-Héloïse from the executive committee of the Central Organisation of Swedish Workers (SAC) to discuss the history and practice of anarchism, syndicalism, and class struggle in Sweden and the lessons for unionists and revolutionaries in Australia today.’

Melbourne
3.00pm, Saturday March 30
Catalyst
144 Sydney Road, Coburg

Brisbane
6.00pm, Friday April 12
Common House
74b Wickham Terrace, Fortitude Valley

Presented by : Anarchist Communists Meanjin | Geelong Anarchist Communists | Melbourne Anarchist Communist Group.

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Yeah Nah Pasaran! #199 w Dr Claudia Leeb on Contesting the Far Right : March 14, 2024

    Next week’s episode of Yeah Nah Pasaran! will be our 200th. We’ll be doing some kinda AMA so if you have any questions you’d like answered, feel free to ask. All previous episodes are available for listening on the 3CR website or by way of your favourite (Apple, Spotify etc.) podcasting platform.

This week on Yeah Nah Pasaran! on 3CR we talk to Dr Claudia Leeb. Claudia is an Associate Professor in the School of Politics, Philosophy, and Public Affairs at Washington State University and works at the intersection of early Frankfurt school critical theory, feminist political theory, and psychoanalytic theory to address questions of power and socio-political change in contemporary societies. Claudia is also the author of the forthcoming title Contesting the Far Right: A Psychoanalytic and Feminist Critical Theory Approach (Columbia University Press, 2024):

Why have so many people responded to the insecurity, exploitation, alienation, and isolation of precarity capitalism by supporting the far right? In this timely book, Claudia Leeb argues that psychoanalytic and feminist critical theory illuminates how economic and psychological factors interact to produce this extreme political shift.

We spoke to Claudia about the book and how critical theory and psychoanalytic approaches to the far right can help illuminate our responses, Austria and identitarianism, Trump and the AltRight.

See also : Far-Right Leader Martin Sellner Emailed With New Zealand Mosque Shooter Months Before Massacre, Kelly Weill, The Daily Beast, May 15, 2019 | The Christchurch Attacks: Livestream Terror in the Viral Video Age, Graham Macklin, CTC Sentinel, Vol.12, No.6, July 2019 | Who is Martin Sellner, the identitarian inspiring Europe’s far right?, Jean-Baptiste Chastand, Le Monde, January 20, 2024 /// Rehabilitating fascists : Lauren Southern, Sky News & Media Diversity (September 22, 2020).

4.30pm, Thursday, March 14, 2024 /// 3CR /// 855AM / streaming live on the 3CR website

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Yeah Nah Pasaran! #198 w Audrey Truschke on Hindutva & history : March 7, 2024

This week on Yeah Nah Pasaran! on 3CR we talk to Dr Audrey Truschke [Bluesky, X/Twitter]. Audrey is a Professor of South Asian history at Rutgers University whose work has brought her to the attention of Hindu nationalists. We spoke to her about her work on South Asian history, encounters with Hindutva and the importance of defending academic freedom.

See also : ‘Modi is the boss’: Australian leader gives India’s prime minister a rock star welcome, Rhea Moghul, CNN, May 24, 2023 | How a Hindu temple built on the remains of an ancient mosque at Ayodhya could help Narendra Modi win this year’s election, Avani Dias, Meghna Bali, and Som Patidar, ABC, January 23, 2024 | Research on the Hindu Far-Right in the US | Hindutva Harassment Field Manual | Yeah Nah Pasaran! #134 w Raja of The Humanism Project on Hindutva : September 29, 2022 /// Yeah Nah Pasaran! #016 w Eviane Leidig on the far-right, India & The West : April 30, 2020 /// Yeah Nah Pasaran! #005 w Shuddhabrata Sengupta on BJP, CAA, Delhi & fascism in India : February 13, 2020.

4.30pm, Thursday, March 7, 2024 /// 3CR /// 855AM / streaming live on the 3CR website

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antifa notes (march 1, 2024) : nazi gym metal feelings place

No-go nazi gymbros!

Last month, Brimbank council announced that the lease on Tim Lutze’s Legacy Boxing Gym in Sunshine West had expired and would not be renewed. Used for several years by the National Socialist Network (NSN) as a training centre and sometime headquarters, the group now seeks a new home.

Speaking of the NSN, after parading through Sydney in late January, the NSN lvl boss, Tom Sewell, was treated to a rather odd profile in The Daily Telegraph in early February. Hence: ‘As more is uncovered about the leader of Australia’s neo-Nazi movement, it can be revealed Thomas Sewell was once in business with Asian men.’ TLDR: in 2016, Sewell, James Buckle and two Asian men established a company known as Compass One Pty Ltd. The company formally ceased operations on March 15, 2019: a rather infamous date (especially for Kiwis like Sewell). Of the 2019 massacre (Christchurch terrorist posted publicly about plans before attack, Mark Daadler, newsroom, February 20, 2024): ‘A small team of researchers at the University of Auckland has found years of posts from the terrorist behind the March 15, 2019 attack on two Christchurch mosques, disproving the notion that he had not been active on extremist forums’.

The Daily Telegraph article also notes that in 2022 the Balwyn Gauleiter established a roofing and plumbing business. This news is sure to delight the plumbers’ union (PPTEU), whose successful campaign to overturn a proposed ban on duck hunting — one spearheaded by their comrades in the ETU — also generated support by Sewell’s erstwhile comrade Mr Buckle.

H e a v y metal

A few weeks ago (February 10), a heavy metal gig at the Leadbeater in Richmond was cancelled. Featuring Grave Upheaval, Cemetery Urn, Munitions, Petrol and Cult of the Night, the show also starred a band called Haste, formerly known as Gurn, one closely associated with NS/BM label and distro Australibus Tenebris. The cancellation triggered the usual response from upset consumers but — on a brighter, shinier, happier note — I understand that there’s Over 666 metal gigs happening in Naarm/Melbourne in any given year, so fingers crossed those frowns will, eventually, be turned upside-down.

Or not.

Coincidentally, triple j’s ‘Hack’ has published a piece on the Dark side of metal (April McLennan, February 28, 2024). It refers to a number of bands, including Ignis Gehenna, Spear of Longinus and (quasi-metal) Black Magick SS. Weirdly, while reference is made to a failed attempt by the NSN to disrupt an anti-fascist benefit gig in September last year, no positive connection is made between this incident and elsewhere in the article when reference is made to the same mob of Hitler Yoof marching through Sydney (and through Ballarat in December last year).

All The McFeels

In the United States, ‘Jazzhands McFeels’, host of the ‘Fash the Nation’ podcast on the ‘The Right Stuff’ (TRS) neo-Nazi propaganda network, was recently revealed as being a 41-year-old ex-Republican rich kid called Robert Warren Gasiewicz of Stuart, Florida. You may remember TRS from such luminaries as Mike Peinovich (‘Mike Enoch’) or its abortive political project, the ‘National Justice Party’ (NJP). The implosion of the NJP — a batshit outfit well-regarded by the bRanes trust at David Hiscox’s recently-revived neo-Nazi blog XYZ — is examined by the hosts of another podcast, ‘I Don’t Speak German’, who’ve returned to the virtual airwaves with an episode dedicated to the NJP’s collapse: ‘We’re back. It’s cool. What isn’t cool is the National Justice Party. Because it doesn’t exist any more. And it wasn’t cool when it did. It was shit. And that’s why … well, listen to the episode.’ See also : This Podcaster Dug Into the World of Neo-Nazis. Now They’ve Put a Target on Him., Nick R. Martin, The Daily Beast, October 20, 2019.

Mein Place

Tomorrow, local cooker Darren Bergwerf will discover whether or not his brave stance in favour of truth and freedom will see him finally assume his rightful place in the Victorian parliament … or be usurped by the dastardly Victorian Socialists.

See also : Dutton and Ley chastised for using immigration detainee’s mistaken arrest ahead of Dunkley by-election, Jake Evans, ABC, March 1, 2024.

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