Stamp out racism! Thursday, October 25

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I live in Melbourne, Australia. I like anarchy. I don't like nazis. I enjoy eating pizza and drinking beer. I barrack for the greatest football team on Earth: Collingwood Magpies. The 2020 premiership's a cakewalk for the good old Collingwood.
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76 Responses to Stamp out racism! Thursday, October 25

  1. @ndy says:

    1) It’s spelled you’re.
    2) “The incident at the MCSC has had absolutely no media coverage whatsoever besides the article on Crikey. It will have no affect on the sport, particularly given the MCSC is a social club not a soccer club.”

    Not true. There’s an article in today’s Age.

    “Melbourne Knights chairman Matt Tomas said the social club operated separately from the soccer club. He apologised for the incident, saying it was regrettable.”

    Definitely a step in the right direction.

  2. Lumpen says:

    …I also had a tummy ache.

    Hey ho Steve-O,

    The issue of ethnic-backed clubs was one of many issues, not the sole one.

    Yeah, that’s what I said; mismanagement was the main issue (I flipped through the Crawford Report today to check). Ethnic-backed clubs (well, the pointless factionalism that seemed to accompany it) were seen as one impediment to “mainstream success” and the SU v. Bonyrigg was seen as evidence of the problems. You might recall at the time folks like Lowy were pointing and saying “See? See?!” as part of the ongoing power struggle post-Crawford Report. (Christ, I’m beginning to sound like an episode of Four Corners.)

    As I said, the relevance is that FFA have expressed that this kind of thing IS an issue they are concerned with, therefore it does fall under their mandate to investigate. I can only reiterate what I said before: it is not the fault of the Knights. The point of all this is that myself and others believe they can do something about it. Hence six people showing up in the rain today and a lively discussion on a blog and an article in Crikey.

    Alternatively the Knights can be dragged down by MCSC being cavalier about who they support in the same facilities and a separation of the entities less than six months ago will do little to sway anyone (I don’t think the people commenting on this blog are unique in this regard). I think you should consider that if/when things start to reflect badly on the Knights it will be a series of incidences. And by then, it’s too late.

    I do not think an annual dance and silly salutes at a soccer club in Sunshine is the equivalent of the Beer Hall Putsch. What I find concerning is that it appears that the MCSC plays host to these pieces of shit and no-one there thinks that reflects at all on the kind of community they want to live in or, worse, that a whites-only community is the kind of place they want to live in. What I find so objectionable is that non-whites are effectively banned from from the MCSC even for one night of the year. You can bet the Nazis will try there again, by the way. If they don’t, it will be the first time.

    It is not a safe haven for neo-Nazis. Definitely sensationalist.

    Except for when it was. Remember the thing we are talking about? On October 13? Less than a fortnight ago? I feel a sensation called truth.

  3. BANANAS says:

    Peter Watson wrote,

    “As humans we must abolish notions of nationality. This would be a great leap forward.”

    Forward to where? Hell?

    “We must be a united proletariat no matter what race or nationality one is.”

    Hasn’t happened yet, won’t happen in the future.

    “What White [Australian] Nationalist has failed in understanding is that abolishing racism is not racist or fascist.”

    Nor is it possible to do “abolish” racism and legislate libertarian thought control.

    “Nationality is citizenship of a country or what country is a person from. There was no countries 6,000 year ago.”

    BS, Egypt was most definitely a country in the nationalist sense.

    “Germany was formed in the 1870s by a numbers of smaller states. Plus nation states have only been around for the last 2000 years you nazi idiot.”

    That does not mean Germany as a nation did not exist before the 1870s. Central authority is not a prerequisite for a nation. You red idiots have no understanding of history whatsoever, the modern nation state is based on the French Republic of 1792, not the Roman Empire.

  4. Adam says:

    Peter re: your ignorant rant about jews, you’re missing a distinction that is obvious to anyone who has spent 5 minutes on the topic, which is the separation of race and religion. judaism is practiced by SOME jewish people. the world is not short of jews that have little or no religious adherence (for an example you could understand let’s go with KARL MARX) and as means of disclaimer my “racial” background is split into four (all my grandparents were from different “races”) and one happened to be jewish (oh and for you nazi fucks he used to blow up troop and ammunition trains in the sudetenland as a small child so 😛 ) and i have no love for zion and have never observed any religious doctrine (never big on the easter bunny either).

    i guess what i’m trying to impress on your silly little still-forming mind is that to blame all jews for the zionist fucks (which agreed are as bad in principle and often in practice as traditional nazis) is to blame all the spanish for the inquisition or blame all australians for white nationalists who hold the same citizenship. the lumping in of groups and nations and genders and bla bla bla into perceived cohesive groups accountable for the actions and beliefs of everyone else in that group is the foundation of prejudice.

  5. liz says:

    I don’t think it is anti-Croatian to point out the obvious and ongoing connections between former Ustashe, invited, like many other “anti-communist freedom fighters” (read: Nazis) into Australia after WWII, and some Croatian community orgs in Australia. That’s not to say all Croats are fascists – by no means – but to be clear that Ustashe have worked hard to maintain a base for financial and political support of their ideas by keeping control over these organisations . They are well known for it – Canada and Australia were THE most prominent sources of finances for Tudjman during his reign, and many sources beyond this country, including leftie anti-fash Croats in exile in Ljubljana, can tell you more. Which of course leaves lots of anti-fash Croats unrepresented in the Oz community, and those community orgs open to becoming organising bases for the fash. For a well-researched and thorough analysis of this phenomenon, the best source I can think of is War Criminals Welcome: Australia, A Sanctuary for War Criminals since 1945 by Mark Aarons – I think it came out in 2001, so it’s pretty recent.

    Australian Croatian community orgs have been in the past big donors and supports of Franjo Tudjman, the President who tried to revive Ustashe flags, symbols and politics as part of forging an independent Croatian state from 1990 onwards – this is despite the fact the Tudjman himself actually fought with the partisans against the Nazis in WWII. He forged alliances with his old foes in the Ustashe community, who found a lot to love in him for his virulently anti-Serb, anti-Jewish and Catholic rightist sentiments (one of my favourites is an anti-abortion government ad that was prominent during Tudjman’s time – “Even a foetus is a little Croat”).

    The red left in Australia has been really piss poor on this stuff, because some organisations took a pretty revolting position during the break-up of the former Yugoslavia in the late ’80s/early ’90s that Croat nationalism was some kind of “defensive” nationalism that should be supported against “Greater Serb nationalism”. And then bombs fell on Belgrade, and those particular pamphlets mysteriously disappeared off the stalls – I’ve still got one though- lest anyone realise the full consequences of this kind of position, and how much they’d been sucked in by Tudjman’s mates in Western Europe into thinking he was building a lovely warm and fuzzy multi-party state, not attempting to recreate Croat nationalism with explicit links to Ustashe. Some of these states had their own reasons for wanting to bury history on the Serbs massacred by Nazis/Ustashe during World War II, and so putting a nicer spin on Croat nationalism as fostered by Tudjman, as versus the evil nasty Serbs. Don’t get me wrong, Greater Serb nationalism is not any nicer than Tudjman’s Croat version – ask Sarajevo – but it’s a shame that an understanding of the dynamics of fascist ethnic community organising in Australia, and its links with the Liberal Party going back to Menzies, have suffered ‘cos of the red left’s nonsense about Croat nationalism. Being a red leftie myself, it’s somewhat embarrassing.

    So yes – I do think that these community orgs should be held to account – and that doesn’t mean saying that all Croats are fascists – but we need to understand and keep an eye on those who are.

  6. What I mean by taking the next step forward in human development. Is that we are all humans and we all live on this Earth. We, as humans, have a common interest. That is to survive. We need to pool our resources and combine our efforts to solve world’s problems.

    The last thing we need is “nationalism”. Nationalism is so last era of development. Lets now be united as a whole and over through the bourgeoisie and build a alliance that will be a vanguard of the proletariat.

    In reply to that nationalist backward Nazi of the past, I say this: “fuck off. Go jump off Weewondilla Road.”

  7. @ndy says:

    BANANAS,

    Peter Watson writes lots of angst-ridden teenage love poems to Stalin ‘cos he’s 15, lonely, and precocious.

    “Forward to where? Hell?” Aw c’mon BANANAS my proletarian brudda, imagine there’s no nations — it’s easy if you try.

    Check yrself before you wreck yrself. The emergence of the modern nation-state is more usually associated with the Treaty of Westphalia…

    Benedict Anderson on the concept of ‘the nation’:

    “In an anthropological spirit, then, I propose the following definition of the nation: it is an imagined political community – – and imagined as both inherently limited and sovereign.

    “It is imagined because the members of even the smallest nation will never know most of their fellow-members, meet them, or even hear of them, yet in the minds of each lives the image of their communion. Renan referred to this imagining in his suavely back-handed way when he wrote that ‘Or l’essence d’une nation est que tons les individus aient beaucoup de choses en commun, et aussi que tous aient oublié bien des choses.” With a certain ferocity Gellner makes a comparable point when he rules that ‘Nationalism is not the awakening of nations to self-consciousness: it invents nations where they do not exist.’ The drawback to this formulation, however, is that Gellner is so anxious to show that nationalism masquerades under false pretences that he assimilates ‘invention’ to ‘fabrication’ and ‘falsity’, rather than to ‘imagining’ and ‘creation’. In this way he implies that ‘true’ communities exist which can be advantageously juxtaposed to nations. In fact, all communities larger than primordial villages of face-to-face contact (and perhaps even these) are imagined. Communities are to be distinguished, not by their falsity/genuineness, but by the style in which they are imagined. Javanese villagers have always known that they are connected to people they have never seen, but these ties were once imagined particularistically-as indefinitely stretchable nets of kinship and clientship. Until quite recently, the Javanese language had no word meaning the abstraction ‘society.’ We may today think of the French aristocracy of the ancien régime as a class; but surely it was imagined this way only very late. To the question ‘Who is the ‘Comte de X?’ the normal answer would have been, not ‘a member of the aristocracy,’ but ‘the lord of X, ‘the uncle of the Baronne de Y,’or ‘a client of the Duc de Z.’

    “The nation is imagined as limited because even the largest of them encompassing perhaps a billion living human beings, has finite, if elastic boundaries, beyond which lie other nations. No nation imagines itself coterminous with mankind. The most messianic nationalists do not dream of a day when all the members of the human race will join their nation in the way that it was possible, in certain epochs, for, say, Christians to dream of a wholly Christian planet.

    “It is imagined as sovereign because the concept was born in an age in which Enlightenment and Revolution were destroying the legitimacy of the divinely-ordained, hierarchical dynastic realm. Coming to maturity at a stage of human history when even the most devout adherents of any universal religion were inescapably confronted with the living pluralism of such religions, and the allomorphism between each faith’s ontological claims and territorial stretch, nations dream of being free, and, if under God, directly so. The gage and emblem of this freedom is the sovereign state.

    [See Treaty (Peace) of Westphalia, 1648]

    “Finally, it is imagined as a community, because, regardless of the actual inequality and exploitation that may prevail in each, the nation is always conceived as a deep, horizontal comradeship. Ultimately it is this fraternity that makes it possible, over the past two centuries, for so many millions of people, not so much to kill, as willingly to die for such limited imaginings.

    “These deaths bring us abruptly face to face with the central problem posed by nationalism: what makes the shrunken imaginings of recent history (scarcely more than two centuries) generate such colossal sacrifices? I believe that the beginnings of an answer lie in the cultural roots of nationalism.”

    Read a book.

  8. “Peter Watson writes lots of angst-ridden teenage love poems to Stalin ‘cos he’s 15, lonely, and precocious.”

    Ha mate I have a girl friend and a best friend. Plus I have heaps of other friends. I don’t write love poems to the great socialist hero of the motherland. What am I a fucking gay hippy. I have always bully gay people and bashed.

  9. Lumpen says:

    I have always bully gay people and bashed.

    Peter, at your age it’s perfectly natural to be totally preoccupied with such things, but on Earth, we call it “masturbation”.

  10. So what if I do masturbate. Its not you do it you old ass whole.

  11. hyperborean man! says:

    kinkyboy:

    1) have you heard of Neturei Karta, a Jewish group that is well-known for its association with and support for anti-Zionists?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta

    2) have you heard of Anarchists Against the Wall (AAtW)? they’re a group of Israeli anarchists who work with Palestinians.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchists_against_the_wall

    3) have you heard of Professor Steve Jones, a geneticist whose research suggests that race cannot be reduced to genetics?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jones_(biologist)

    4) do you read Conan the Barbarian and wear Crocs shoes?

  12. KinkyBoy says:

    Listen to your Rabbi Hyperbolean man !
    But is the Rabbi being honest?, or just feigning concern as the Anglo/Saxon/Celt “indigenes” cotton on to the program. Being a “friend” in need when it might prove safe to be perceived as such.

    We Europeans and “Jews” are after all at war, united against a common foe… the evil “Islamo-Fascists” who sneakily changed European immigration laws to facilitate the “invasion”. (But really are hear at the invitation of the warmongers to edjamecate us stoopid whitey Goys as ta who da enamae is)
    They’re here to cause trouble so that we learn to hate ‘em. That’s why the Zionist BnaiBrith loves its MultiCulturalism. The AntiFa Jew just wants to “help” us all be better, because he, as a Mensch on a Mission of Tikkun Olam (or whatever) thinks he KNOWS how to make us better, or is diseased with variant Munchausen by Proxy that demands he fuck it so he can fix it, over and over and over again.

    From Steve Jones:
    “In addition, human populations are now being constantly mixed, again producing a blending that blocks evolutionary change.”

    The Jew achieves his ascendency by engineering the failure of others. (ie those already dumb enough to believe the con) Jewish support for uncontrolled immigration and mixing in homogenous communities provides sufficient evidence to suggest that this proposition is likely true in the context of Jones above.
    Europeans for the last fifty years have been purposely distracted with a multiplicity of concerns that appear to have been inventions of the “Jews” amongst us, or those that claim to be the “Jews”. Can’t have anyone else manifesting as the “Chosen”.

    Jewishness is a state of mind. In disconnecting from that state of mind you may relax, relieve yourself of the look of lemon sucking piety, and declare yourself to be “Goyim” like the rest of us.

  13. Liam says:

    On the subject of Arabs and Islam, you share with this group a similar love for the Protocols KinkyBoy, perhaps you should organise a book club or something?

  14. Lumpen says:

    What was that, KinkyBoy? I couldn’t hear you over the rustling of aluminium.

    I’m a firm believer in the Protocols of the Elders of AWESOME.

  15. Lumpen is clearly a agent of the bourgeoisie. He is working with Andy and Fight Dem Back to spy on socialists and give information to the police and ASIO.

    FDB is a fake organization that isn’t real. It is simply a tool of ASIO and the police.

    Warwick Police Department are enemies of socialism.

  16. Lumpen says:

    Foiled again!

  17. Yes finally. You admitted to it. Comrades lets crush the police front.

  18. hyperborean man! says:

    kinkyboy:

    thank you for adequately answering question number 4.

    http://web.mit.edu/racescience/in_media/what_dna_says_about_human/index.html

  19. Lumpen says:

    By Crom, I think the Hyperborean is right.

    (I’ve been known to read a little Conan myself.)

  20. KinkyBoy says:

    The Protocols of Bakunin.

    Michael Bakunin wrote:

    Arthur P. Mandel, Michael Bakunin: Roots of Apocalypse, Praeger, New York 1981:

    {p. 330} “I know very well,” he went on, “that in frankly expressing my personal thoughts about the Jews I expose myself to enormous dangers. Many people share [these views], but very few dare to express them publicly, because the Jewish sect, far more formidable than Catholic Jesuits and the Protestants, constitute a real force in Europe today. They reign despotically in commerce and in the banks and have overrun three-quarters of the German press and a very significant part of the press of other countries. Too bad for anyone careless enough to displease them!” {endnote 86: Bakounine, Oeuvres, vol. V, pp. 243-4}.

  21. Lumpen says:

    Those Bakuninists had better watch out!

  22. KinkyBoy says:

    It is hearby decreed that, in reference to the specifically “Jewish” variant of the Syndrome that is characterised by pretentious FrankenSteinian augmentative/reconstructive surgery, meddling, modifying, commenting, tweaking, bitch slapping, Handballing, killing, critiquing and showering with humilitiation, the cultures of others, it be referred to as variant “MenschHausen Syndrome by Proxy”.
    It is essentially an attention-seeking behaviour and a manifestation of acting out an (ir)religious belief that sees others as incidental actors in the live street theatre of “life” scripted by and starring the “Mensch”, privately known to himself and others at the Gimp as Buffalo Bill. Our Mensch is devoid of empathy for those who protest at the injuries inflicted upon their societies, and the witless dupe known as the “Goyim”, having real empathy, eventually learns to “love” his captor, because objection only pains his tormentor, who cries out in feigned pain that he must do this to make us a better person. For it is written in the “Law”.

    A collective clique of Nutters.

    Dr Inanity… says you are Nuts!

  23. @ndy says:

    OK… but what about the Jews?

    Some people say that they’re a problem.

    What do you think?

  24. Lumpen says:

    Dr Inanity… says you are Nuts!

    We’ve been informed by the expert.

    Did you see how he flipped Munchausen into Menschhausen? Booya! Now watch me make him go crazy (crazier):

    HEY KINKYBOY! I LOVE JEWS AND BETRAY THE WHITE RACE EVERY DAY, JUST FOR LAUGHS! I HAVEN’T BEEN TRICKED BY JEWS, EITHER. I’M DOING THIS BY CHOICE. ALSO, I LOVE BAGELS AND I’M FAGGY FOR FAGIN. OI VEY!
    P.S. I AM GOING TO EAT YOUR SOUL.

    Now sit back and watch.

  25. Well comraddes (not you revisionists or anarchist shit), lets see what the Nazis would like.

  26. sorry comrades but I can’t get the video to be included.

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