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BISHOP ANTHONY FISHER, CO-ORDINATOR OF WORLD YOUTH DAY, 16 JULY, 2008: “Happily, I think most of Australia was enjoying [and] delighting in the beauty and goodness of these young people and the hope for us doing these sorts of things better in the future, as we saw last night, rather than dwelling crankily, as a few people are doing, on old wounds.”

23 ‘Alas for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You pay your tithe of mint and dill and cummin and have neglected the weightier matters of the Law-justice, mercy, good faith! These you should have practised, those not neglected.

24 You blind guides, straining out gnats and swallowing camels!

25 ‘Alas for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of cup and dish and leave the inside full of extortion and intemperance.

26 Blind Pharisee! Clean the inside of cup and dish first so that it and the outside are both clean.

27 ‘Alas for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs that look handsome on the outside, but inside are full of the bones of the dead and every kind of corruption.

28 In just the same way, from the outside you look upright, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

29 ‘Alas for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build the sepulchres of the prophets and decorate the tombs of the upright,

30 saying, “We would never have joined in shedding the blood of the prophets, had we lived in our ancestors’ day.”

31 So! Your own evidence tells against you! You are the children of those who murdered the prophets!

32 Very well then, finish off the work that your ancestors began.

33 ‘You serpents, brood of vipers, how can you escape being condemned to hell?

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Jews outraged by Holocaust-denying bishop
Victor L. Simpson
January 23, 2009

VATICAN CITY (AP) — The Vatican’s relations with Jews risked a new crisis Friday after an excommunicated British bishop — reportedly in line for rehabilitation — said that historical evidence “is hugely against 6 million Jews having been deliberately gassed” during World War II. Two Italian newspapers reported Thursday that Pope Benedict XVI planned to lift the excommunication of Richard Williamson and three other bishops punished for having been consecrated without papal consent 20 years ago by the late French conservative Archbishop Marcel Lefevbre…

Pope Lifts Excommunication of Four Bishops
Vatican Radio
January 24, 2009

…The decree concludes : “It is hoped that this step will be followed by the accomplishment of full communion of the entire Fraternity of Saint Pius X with the Church, thus, with visible unity testifying true fidelity and true recognition of the Magisterium and of the authority of the Pope”.

Vatican: Comments by Holocaust denier unacceptable
Nicole Winfield
January 26, 2009

VATICAN CITY (AP) — The Vatican said Monday that comments by a recently rehabilitated bishop that no Jews were gassed during the Holocaust were unacceptable and violate Church teaching. In a front-page article, the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano reaffirmed that Pope Benedict XVI deplored all forms of anti-Semitism and that all Roman Catholics must do the same. The article was issued amid an outcry from Jewish groups that Benedict last week lifted the excommunication of a traditionalist bishop, Richard Williamson, who has denied that 6 million Jews were murdered during World War II. The Vatican has stressed that removing the excommunication by no means implied the Vatican shared Williamson’s views…

German Far-Right Hails Holocaust Denier Williamson
Peter Wensierski
Spiegel Online
January 27, 2009

Germany’s far right has welcomed the move by German Pope Benedict XVI to lift the excommunication of British bishop Richard Williamson, who denied the Holocaust in an interview last week. German Jewish leaders are appalled at the decision. In the churches and chapels of the Society of Saint Pius X, the incense burners at the holy masses have been swung with even greater vigor since the weekend in joy over the decision by Pope Benedict XVI to lift the excommunication of their founding father, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the bishops he ordained, among them Archbishop Richard Williamson. British bishop Richard Williamson denied the Holocaust in an interview on Swedish television. Germany’s far right is equally pleased with the decision and is hailing Williamson as a hero — because he has denied the Holocaust. He told Swedish television in an interview broadcast last Wednesday: “I believe there were no gas chambers.” He claimed that only 300,000 Jews perished in the Nazi concentration camps, instead of the 6 million figure that is widely accepted by historians…

Pope in bid to dampen bishop row
BBC
January 29, 2009

Pope Benedict XVI has expressed “full and indisputable solidarity” with Jews, distancing himself from a bishop who denies the Nazis used gas chambers. Briton Richard Williamson was among four bishops whose excommunications were lifted by the Pope last week. Bishop Williamson said recently [November 2008]: “I believe there were no gas chambers”…

German Jews Cut Contact with Catholic Church
Spiegel Online
January 29, 2009

Charlotte Knobloch, head of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, said on Thursday that she was severing contact with the Catholic Church. Her move stems from the pope’s decision to void the excommunication of Holocaust denier Bishop Richard Williamson…

A broad church after all
Christopher Pearson
The Australian
January 31, 2009

…It should be obvious to disinterested observers that the lifting of a canonical penalty for the four bishops’ breach of canon law is completely unrelated to the question of whether the church in any way endorses the offensive non-theological opinions of one of them. In fact the Pope has gone out of his way to make a pilgrimage to Auschwitz, reiterating his solidarity with the Jewish people this week while preaching on the lessons of the Holocaust. His primary responsibility is not to ingratiate himself with the Left-liberal press but to bring separated brethren – including the inconvenient and the barking mad as well as the mild-mannered conservatives – back into the church…

Holocaust-denying Bishop apologises to Pope
ABC [AFP}
January 31, 2009

The holocaust denier at the centre of a spiralling scandal after Pope Benedict XVI rescinded his excommunication voiced his “regrets” for causing the pontiff “unnecessary distress.” Bishop Richard Williamson referred to as “imprudent” remarks carried last week by Swedish television in which he said no more than 300,000 Jews died in the Holocaust, and none in gas chambers…

Pope promotes conservative cleric
David Willey
BBC News, Rome
January 31, 2009

Pope Benedict has made a controversial appointment, days after revoking the excommunication of a bishop who is a Holocaust denier. He promoted ultra-conservative cleric Fr Gerhard Maria Wagner to assistant bishop of the Austrian city of Linz… The bishop apologised for shaming the Church, but not for his views. Fr Wagner is also notorious for his extreme views – he has accused the popular Harry Potter novels of spreading Satanism, and described Hurricane Katrina as God’s punishment for the sinners of New Orleans. He wrote in a parish newsletter that the death and destruction caused by the hurricane in New Orleans was divine retribution for the city’s tolerance of homosexuals and permissive sexual attitudes…

Cardinal admits error over Holocaust denier
Kate Connolly in Berlin
The Guardian
February 4, 2009

The cardinal in charge of the Vatican’s relations with Jews has admitted that the Pope’s decision to rehabilitate an ultra-conservative bishop who denies the Holocaust was dealt with poorly and was the result of bad management in the Vatican hierarchy. In a frank interview with the German service of Vatican Radio, Cardinal Walter Kasper acknowledged that communication between decision-makers had been lacking. “There wasn’t enough talking with each other in the Vatican and there are no longer checks to see where problems could arise,” he said…

‘Holocaust bishop’ told to recant
BBC
February 4, 2009

The Vatican has ordered an ultra-traditionalist bishop to publicly recant his views denying the Holocaust. A statement said British Bishop Richard Williamson must “unequivocally” distance himself from his statements to serve in the Roman Catholic Church. The Vatican also said that the Pope had not been aware of the bishop’s views when he lifted excommunications on him and three other bishops last month. Earlier, a senior cardinal acknowledged the Vatican had mishandled the issue…

Bishop Richard Williamson: Profile

Bishop Richard Williamson was born in 1940, the son of an Anglican vicar.

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21 Responses to Everybody Knows

  1. Bron says:

    Have you been reading Deborah Lipstadt’s blog? She’s been blogging about this wanker a lot.

    Nice Cohen choice. One of my faves. 🙂

  2. @ndy says:

    Jesus Christ.

    This guy is NUTS!

    Bishop Williamson’s Letters

    WTC – THE SCOURGE OF SIN
    October 1, 2001

    …Politically, behind the Arab terrorists are most likely the would-be architects of the New World Order, who have long been using the United States as an instrument to achieve their control of the world. Long ago they planned three World Wars to achieve their aim. It is they who provoked the sinking of the “Lusitania” and the attack on Pearl Harbor to bring the USA into the first two. Now they seem to be using the Arabs also. Humanly, they are clever. They are even diabolically clever. But little do they realize that they are in turn mere instruments of God who uses them for the salvation of souls.

    For the last fourteen hundred years Mohammedans, whether Saracens or Arabs or Moors or Turks, have served God as a scourge to punish faithless Christians, or slack Christendom. When Catholics are fervent, God can grant them miraculous victories over the Mohammedans, as at the sea-battle of Lepanto in 1571. When Catholics are slack, God can allow the very survival of their nations to be threatened, as now, by birth-rates in Europe, by terrorism in the USA. When Spanish Catholics were slack in the 700’s, God allowed the Jews to betray Spain to the Arabs. When Spanish Catholics were truly Catholic, God granted them by 1492 to reconquer Spain from the Arabs, and then granted them to create a Catholic empire in the Americas. Either way, God writes straight with crooked lines for the salvation of souls.

    The Jews are a similar case. As early as 200 the Church author Tertullian remarked that as Catholic faith goes up, so Jewish power goes down, while as Catholic faith goes down, so Jewish power goes up. In the Catholic Middle Ages the Jews [were] relatively impotent to harm Christendom, but as Catholics have grown over the centuries since then weaker and weaker in the faith, especially since Vatican II, so the Jews have come closer and closer to fulfilling their substitute-Messianic drive towards world dominion…

    THREE LAYERS OF LIES
    September 1, 2002

    …By lies, Judeo-Masonry brought about the first two World Wars. To get Americans to enter the First World War, President Woodrow Wilson told them that it would be the “war to end all wars.” In fact, WWI established the Masonic League of Nations in Geneva and the Communist Revolution in Russia, and crushed numerous Christian monarchies, in particular the Catholic Austro-Hungarian Empire. And the Masonic Treaty of Versailles ending WWI deliberately paved the way for WWII, of which President F.D. Roosevelt promised it would “make the world safe for democracy.” In fact, WWII established the Masonic United Nations, hugely promoted socialism in the USA and in the Western “democracies,” and crushed the Eastern “democracies” under Communism.

    By lies, Judeo-Masonry is preparing for the Third World War. As the Depression of the 1930’s necessitated WWII, triggered for the US by the supposed treachery of the Japanese at Pearl Harbor, so we see all the conditions created for another much worse Depression in the US, with the supposed treachery of Arabs last year against the Twin Towers in New York already igniting American public opinion to go to war against Afghanistan and now Iraq. And as we now in 2002 know with certainty that our governments and media told us far from the complete truth in 1941 as to who was truly responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor, so we will eventually know that those truly responsible for the attack on the Twin Towers were certainly not those primarily held up as being responsible by our governments and media.

    http://sspx.ca/Documents/Bishop-Williamson/

  3. @ndy says:

    Radical Powerhouse
    Heidi Beirich
    Intelligence Report
    Winter 2006

    The Society of St. Pius X, which has chapels and schools across the United States, remains a font of anti-Semitic propaganda.

    The powerhouse organization of the radical traditionalist Catholic world is a sprawling international order called the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), founded by the late French archbishop, Marcel-François Lefebvre, in 1970. Although there have been recent attempts by the Vatican to pull SSPX back into the Catholic mainstream, the organization, all of whose priests were excommunicated in the late 1980s, has continued to publish anti-Semitic materials, flirt with Holocaust denial and reject any reconciliation with the Catholic Church.

    Lefebvre was always on the hard right. During World War II, he supported the pro-Nazi Vichy regime, a puppet government in the part of France not occupied by the Germans. He lamented the eventual liberation of the country, describing it as “the victory of Freemasonry against the Catholic order of Petain. It was the invasion of the barbarians without faith or law!”

    Lefebvre later was on an advisory committee to the Second Vatican Council (1962-65), which enacted several liberalizing and modernizing reforms within the church. But the archbishop refused to sign the council’s final reports on religious liberty and the modern church, the first sign of a rebellion that would only grow in later years. In 1970, he founded SSPX as a seminary in Ecône, Switzerland.

    In 1974, Lefebvre publicly denounced as heretical the Vatican II reforms and the subsequent adoption of the new Mass, celebrated in local languages instead of traditional Latin. As a result, Pope Paul VI ordered the archbishop to shut down his Swiss seminary. But Lefebvre refused to comply, leading the Vatican to suspend his right to perform priestly functions (a step short of excommunication) in 1976.

    In 1988, Lefebvre took his most radical step yet, consecrating four bishops in defiance of the Vatican. Pope John Paul II responded by excommunicating Lefebvre and all SSPX priests, and declaring SSPX in formal schism with the church.

    The following year, police arrested fugitive French war criminal Paul Touvier, who had been hidden for years by the order, at an SSPX monastery in Nice, France. Touvier was later convicted of ordering the execution of seven Jews in 1944.

    Also in 1989, one of Lefebvre’s “bishops,” Englishman Richard Williamson, gave a speech to a Canadian church in which he decried the alleged persecution of Holocaust denier and neo-Nazi Ernst Zundel by the Canadian government. Williams, then rector of SSPX’s main North American seminary in Winona, Minn., told his audience: “There was not one Jew killed in the gas chambers. It was all lies, lies, lies.” The Canadian government reacted by banning all SSPX publications.

    In the course of his struggle with the Vatican, Lefebvre became a hero to many, emerging as the world’s leading critic of church reforms ending the Latin Mass and reaching out to other religions. Already by the mid-1970s, priests ordained by the archbishop were starting chapels and seminaries in the United States. Today, SSPX’s American operation, headquartered in Kansas City, Kan., claims 103 chapels and 25 schools, in addition to Kansas City-based Angelus Press. Scholar Michael Cuneo has estimated SSPX has up to 30,000 U. S. adherents.

    It is in The Angelus, published monthly by the SSPX press, and on SSPX’s website, that the radical anti-Semitism of the order is most evident today. One example now on the website is a 1997 Angelus article by SSPX priests Michael Crowdy and Kenneth Novak that calls for locking Jews into ghettos because “Jews are known to kill Christians.” It also blames Jews for the French Revolution, communism and capitalism; suggests a Judeo-Masonic conspiracy has destroyed the Catholic Church; and describes Judaism as “inimical to all nations.”

    Another document reproduced on the SSPX’s current website is a 1959 letter from Lefebvre’s close friend, Bishop Gerald Sigaud, who also rejected the Vatican II reforms. “Money, the media, and international politics are for a large part in the hands of Jews,” Bishop Sigaud wrote. “Those who have revealed the atomic secrets of the USA were … all Jews. The founders of communism were Jews.”

    The Angelus Press sells anti-Semitic tomes like Hilaire [Belloc]’s The Jews, which blames Jews for Bolshevism and corrupt financial practices, and Monsignor George Dillon’s Freemasonry Unmasked, which purports to explain a centuries-old Judeo-Masonic plot to destroy the Catholic Church. More recent SSPX publications include the 2005 pamphlet Time Bombs of the Second Vatican Council, by Franz Schmidberger, the former superior general of the SSPX. Schmidberger denounces Third World immigration into Western countries as “destroying our national identity and, furthermore, the whole of Christianity,” and accuses the Jews of deicide.

    Other extremists published in the pages of The Angelus (and carried on the SSPX’s current website) include the late Father Denis Fahey; John Vennari, head of Catholic Family News (see profile, p. 29); and Robert Sungenis, the particularly virulent leader of Catholic Apologetics International (see profile, p. 28).

    Through it all, SSPX denies all allegations of anti-Semitism.

    But even some fellow radical traditionalists have accused SSPX of that and worse. Fidelity, a magazine run by hard-liner E. Michael Jones (see Culture Wars/Fidelity Press profile, p. 29), in 1992 charged a principal SSPX leader in Kansas City of Hitler worship and promoting Nazism to his students. Although the man accused by Fidelity hotly denied the charges, the students quoted by Jones stood by their allegations.

    In recent months, Pope Benedict XVI has extended an olive branch to SSPX members, inviting them to return to the church. But the sect’s leaders rejected the suggestion outright. As a result, Benedict last September approved an institute for French priests who left the movement. The pope’s move marked the effective end to efforts by the Vatican to bring the SSPX sect back into the Catholic fold.

  4. @ndy says:

    Press Release from Bishop Fellay
    Concerning Bishop Williamson’s Interview
    [PDF]

    We have learned of an interview given by Bishop Richard Williamson, a member of our Society of Saint Pius X, to Swedish television. In this interview, he comments on historical questions, particularly the question of the genocide of Jews by the National Socialists.

    It is obvious that a Catholic bishop can only speak with ecclesiastical authority about matters concerning faith and morals. Our Society claims no authority on other matters. Its mission is the propagation and restoration of authentic Catholic doctrine, set forth in the dogmas of the Faith. It is for this that we are known, accepted and esteemed throughout the world.

    We are deeply grieved to see how much harm the violation of this mandate can do to our mission. Bishop Williamson’s statements do not in any way reflect the position of our Society. This is why I have forbidden him, until further notice, to make any public statements on political or historical issues.

    We ask forgiveness of the Sovereign Pontiff and of all people of good will for the dramatic consequences of such an act. While we recognize how inappropriate these declarations were, we can only note with sadness that the incessant accusations against our Society are also obviously intended to discredit it.

    This we cannot accept, and we declare that we will continue to preach Catholic doctrine and administer the sacraments of grace of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Menzingen,
    January 27, 2009
    Bernard Fellay
    Superior General

  5. dj says:

    The Catholic hierarchy are just disappointed that someone actually paid attention to what they were doing, they are fully aware that there is a significant proportion of the priesthood and laity that is highly anti-Semitic (not to mention their other usual bigotries).

  6. Bron says:

    All anti-semites are nuts.

  7. Jamie R says:

    Behind the veneer of Anti-Zionism in the Palestinian territories is an opposition to Jewish Rule, with some observers out there saying they are simply Anti-Jewish like the Nazis were (Arabs can’t be Anti-Semitic), but then you look at their day to day lives and they are more Anti-Being-Controlled for what they (would) believe is a community and (potential) nation. What the Catholic Church has done is told this Bishop to recant his personal views after heavy opposition and dropping of ties to the Catholic Church by Jewish Organisations, which has basically forced them to adhere to their criticisms publicly. What the Jewish Organisations reveal to their detractors, once again, is their desire to bend people over their knee for a smack on the bottom when they do something that offends them. The typical Anti-Semites see in this all the stuff they believe they have to save people from.

  8. Jamie R says:

    You have quite a number of quotes from the New Testament there. I guess it is too personal to ask if you are a Christian? It’s just that if you are not, those sayings can apply to anyone who is trying to tell others what to do using teachings they themselves are not following. Basically a modern Pharisee can be non-religious.

  9. @ndy says:

    Jamie R,

    I am not a Christian. I fully understand that hypocrisy is not the exclusive domain of Christians, but rather a human, all too human, failing.

    Regarding the relationship between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism, yes: some anti-Zionists are also anti-Semites, and their opposition to Zionism is derived from a broader antipathy to The Jew. Equally obviously, and by the same token, anti-Zionism is not synonymous with anti-Semitism. Insofar as Palestine is concerned, it’s worth noting that the Israeli occupation of Gaza and the West Bank is contrary to international law; so too, the recent military assault upon the inhabitants of the former. The point being, it’s possible to criticise the Israeli state without needing to make reference to some bizarre notion of The Eternal Jew.

    Regarding Bishop Williamson, the Church has experienced some extremely bad publicity, and has responded accordingly. First by referring to Ratso’s and the Church’s own views on anti-Semitism (it is unacceptable and contrary to Catholic teaching), then by claiming ignorance of SSPX’s and Williamson’s anti-Semitism, denouncing same, and finally demanding that Williamson make a formal retraction. Naturally, Williamson will continue to believe what he has believed for some considerable time about the nature of The Jew, but unless the Church is willing to retract its offer of reconciliation with SSPX, a demonstration of subservience on the part of Williamson (and by extension, SSPX) to the Church on this issue is necessary.

    Incidentally, Williamson’s remarks caused upset among a great range of people, not just The Jew, and including many Catholics, both clergy and laity.

    Holocaust denial is just not cricket, whatever your religious or non-religious affiliations.

  10. @ndy says:

    Holocaust-denying bishop removed from seminary post
    Vikram Dodd and agencies
    guardian.co.uk
    February 9, 2009

    Ultra-conservative Society of St Pius X relieves British-born Richard Williamson of duties at seminary in Argentina

    A Roman Catholic bishop who said he does not believe the Nazis murdered millions of Jewish people in gas chambers has been removed from his seminary…

  11. Jamie R says:

    I am not a Christian. I fully understand that hypocrisy is not the exclusive domain of Christians, but rather a human, all too human, failing.

    It’s one thing to be a hypocrite, it’s another to morally brow-beat people self-righteously with teachings you do not believe in. If you go back to the New Testament, you’ll notice this is what angered Jesus the most alongside people doing business inside the Church, he actually swore in modern terms at them, and basically would have hit them if he was Anthony Mundine. Go look at his run-ins with Pharisees and Sadducees, he was pissed.

    I am fully cognizant of The Jew, it is my calling to bless them not curse them, not out of force mind you, just out of common sense (if there can be laws of physics…) and if you look at the world and the people who do it, cursing Jews is not such a winner. Supposedly all of the nations will attack them going by Revelation, it won’t just be the UN condemnations we’ve seen since Germany tried to exterminate them all.

  12. Jamie R says:

    Holocaust denial is just not cricket, whatever your religious or non-religious affiliations.

    It’s backlash, for the most part, real Christians have never needed the Holocaust to sympathise with Jews, this is something, I fear, they don’t get at times, but then, Christians have their own propagandised persecution issues from sources detrimental to them so are not always thinking of The Jew first up, but they do know we acknowledge them as our elder brothers and sisters, something Muslims, well, will not do. If Israel is attacked by all its enemies and it is indeed a hellstorm, at least they can take some comfort from such folks who say a bad motherf***er is coming to win that war for them.

  13. @ndy says:

    “It’s one thing to be a hypocrite, it’s another to morally brow-beat people self-righteously with teachings you do not believe in.”

    Huh? I’ve cited Matthew in the context of a disco re the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church. Who, exactly, do you believe me to be morally brow-beating, and why? I’m not self-righteous; I’m critical of the Pope’s reconciliation with a sect whose anti-Semitism is well-known, and the Church’s subsequent twisting and turning. As for teachings and my belief system, I believe it’s appropriate to cite the Bible, as this text forms the basis of Catholic teachings.

    Revelation is awesome, John was a tripper, and Jesus gave him it while his feet glowed and a sword stuck out of his mouth.

    John on Heaven (4:2–8):

    “…before me was a throne… and the One who sat there had the appearance of jasper… From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder… Around the throne were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back… Day and night they never stop saying: ‘Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come.”

    PS. If God is all-powerful, how come He lost His wrestling match with Jacob (Genesis 32:24–30)?

  14. Jamie R says:

    Who, exactly, do you believe me to be morally brow-beating, and why?

    Just the Catholic Church in general. But hey everyone does it. I sometimes wonder what all the good people of that Church do with all the mocking and attacks, then I realise they’re all old and have hearing aids. I was drinkin’ on TGI Friday afternoon, I get off work I relax, sometimes I come here and give you a bit of crap. My bad. I just come across it with others @ndy (look! I did it! I pressed shift and hit 2!) so it’s a sore spot, you would be surprised how many non-Christians just luuurve to use the Bible against Christians, and Jesus really did lose his temper at those types, I mean it goes for Christians too, preaching lines that actions definitely never conform with made the Baby Jesus throw his dummy and get bad ass.

  15. Jamie R says:

    PS. If God is all-powerful, how come He lost His wrestling match with Jacob (Genesis 32:24–30)?

    Metaphors and myth, to convey Truth. A lot of people think that the OT is full of it in parts, and I do too, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a message.

    I mean if Jesus always spoke in parables, wacky silly parables at times, then what did he mean by it? Because it wasn’t for real what he was discussing, it didn’t actually happen.

  16. Jamie R says:

    I should add, I am one of those heretics of Open Theism, I don’t buy into God being control-freak of everything, I think he is limited in actions, by his own plan. I’m libertarian because I think God is too, he lets people live their own lives and suffer from their own actions and along the way we may get a few nudges about it due to the Law, but we can continue doing as we please, as long as we don’t upset the Authorities too much.

  17. Jamie R says:

    I recall someone saying “WHERE IS GOD???” in the comments on an article on the Victorian Bushfires, which is spot on and even believers ask at times, because this world can get fucked up.

    Anyways, I decided to upload this from Greg Boyd, author of “The Myth of a Christian Nation: How the Quest for Political Power Is Destroying the Church” among many other things, because it addresses the question of tragedy, that many are suffering from right now in Victoria.

  18. Jamie R says:

    I’ve studied Islam (I read a lot), and it would be much easier to be them, but just irk people, I think. Muhammad came after Jesus, who warned us of false prophets, but I mean, if you’re angry, Muhammad is the man to see, if I lose my temper, man, I want to reference him, and be inspired, like this!

    “We have to defend ourselves. If they mock, abuse, and plunder us in the baggage of war we are pathetic, but they are led by Greed, we are led by God. Fight them! Drive them out of the places where they drove you out. For persecution is worse than slaughter. Fight them! Until persecution is no more.”

    I think that’s pretty bad ass.

  19. @ndy says:

    I think this song is pretty bad ass…

  20. @ndy says:

    This one’s good too!

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