Update : The RSP and SA also have accounts: Anti-racist rally confronts bigots, Owain Jones, Direct Action | Anti-racists confront far right rally, Jim McIlroy, Green Left Weekly.
Ah, apparently some Brisbane-based dingbats held a rally yesterday @ King George Square in central Brisbane, demanding that somebody–anybody–‘ban the burqa’.
The rally was organised by the ‘Australian Defence League’ (the leader of which, the Englishman Martin Brennan, is currently being held in detention @ Maribyrnong for immigration offences) and some weird new mob called the ‘Australian Patriots Defence Movement’, which claims as its inspiration a string of violent armed robberies by a gang of burqa-clad ladies police have dubbed The Burqa Gang an episode of the Australian version of the US TV show 60 Minutes.
Given these origins you might think the Movement campaigns against tabloid journalism, but no.
Rather, in addition to wanting to stop women from lawfully wearing burqas, the APDM wants: to ensure (redundantly) that food authorities continue to label products as being halal/kosher and that traitors and preachers of sedition are suitably punished; a flat tax; currency reform and; a ‘return’ (sic) to constitutional law.
They also have matching t-shirts.
Curiously, the APDM accuses the Australian Defence League (“2009”) of having attempted to “sabotage” their rally; a further product of the endless bickering among local ‘patriots’.
In any event, perhaps 20 or so individuals attended the APDM/ADL rally, which was met by a larger counter-rally composed of something like 60 or so people unamused by the antics of the ‘Australian Patriots Defence League Movement’.
A fuller account of the rally by a special correspondent:
Before
In the lead-up to the rally, one of the organisers, Wyatt Wharton, stressed that there was to be no racism, no swearing and no threats of violence. It became obvious very early on that he had little or no control; the APDM Facebook page was littered with threats against those who went to counter-protest.
The APDM site stated:
“The Board [!] of APDM clearly states that the [r]ally [p]lanned and organi[s]ed by the APDM to Ban the Burqa will be going ahead with an estimated 300 to 500 people (supporters) attending.
Members of the [p]ress and the [e]lectronic [m]edia have been invited to attend.”
Both of these statements were well wide of the mark. There was no mainstream media in attendance. Presumably they knew the rally was destined to fail.
Fail it did.
During
When I arrived at midday, there was a maximum of 25-30 APDM supporters, and this included some of their partners and children (resplendent in their little ‘Ban the Burqa’ shirts!).
The antifa numbered at least twice this, and their presence seemed to confuse and anger the fascists. I don’t think many of the fascists had ever been to a rally, and they seemed somewhat shocked that the counter-protesters weren’t going to simply sit down and listen. In fact, the antifa out-yelled them to the point that the APDM speaker could not be heard, and once their tiny PA system died, their anger began to rise.
Two of the fascists were dressed in hi-vis work gear, and stood silently, glaring at the crowd. Eventually, they couldn’t suppress their anger any longer and attempted to start a fight with a male protester. As the police intervened, a female protester, having expressed her anger at this attempt to incite violence, was told by one of the hi-vis gentleman “F*ck off you filthy c*nt”.
A short while later, one of them again started on another protester, saying something like “I hope when the Muslims come, they burn down your f*cking house with you and your family in it”. The crowd went wild, and the police yet again intervened.
At this stage, two organisers, Wharton and [?], stepped in and spoke to the pair, and they vanished. I didn’t sight them for the rest of the rally.
Not that it changed the mood.
Another of the organisers, Darren Bailey-Morris, took over the insulting and threatening behavior. He paced up and down in front of the antifa with a book, apparently one written by a Muslim girl that had suffered sexual assault. He’d point at the book, screaming “Pee-dophile, Pee-dophile”! (I don’t know what it is about the right-wing obsession with paedophilia–and their inability to both spell and pronounce it.)
Predictably this became “You are all scum, you support pee-dophiles!” and so on and so on… it became tedious quickly. Australian flags were also being waved/worn by the fascists, and the insults continued to fly.
Bailey-Morris is a vile creature, and everyone got a good look at the type of person he is. While a woman on a megaphone was yelling at him, he put his face up close to it. When she pushed him back with it, he took a dive, but not before raising his fist to her. He then ran straight over to the police and complained. Having witnessed the altercation, they ignored him. Later, while waving The Pee-dophile Book in another woman’s face, he became enraged when she took it from him and threw it over the crowd. I didn’t catch his response, but the look of hatred on his face spoke volumes. In another incident, when a young male protester put a sticker on Bailey-Morris’s back, the crowd laughed, and Bailey-Morris responded by saying “You touch me again and I’ll kill you. I’ll be looking for you mate, I’ll be looking for you”.
After a while, a replacement PA was sourced and the APDM circus started up again. It didn’t last long as the antifa simply became louder, and then we got to see the truly ugly side, the true APDM.
By this stage APDM leaders Wharton and [?] were visibly tired, and seemed defeated. They tried to read prepared scripts, but soon gave up. Bailey-Morris, however, wasn’t going to give up so easily. Having gotten hold of the microphone and decided that he wasn’t going to stick to the ostensible purpose of the rally, he started screeching racist, misogynist and homophobic bile. One young male protester was a particular subject of Bailey-Morris’ (and a few others) vitriol, who called him names (‘Tinkerbell’) and made (limp-wristed) hand gestures at him, leaving little doubt that a bit of gay-bashing was on the agenda. He also commented that most of the women in the antifa crowd were lesbians, and When The Muslims Come, they’ll come for the lesbians first! If it wasn’t so serious, it could be written off as bad, bad comedy…
An older Aboriginal male politely asked BM what the APDM’s stance on indigenous equality was. Although initially ignoring him, Bailey-Morris grew increasingly annoyed as the man in question persisted with his polite request.
And so it began.
“Mate, go buy some socks and then come back and talk”.
Over and over and over…
Eventually this became “That’s the problem with you lot, always playing on your colour”. Finally, this pearl: “Mate, my best friend is an Aborigine…”
By this stage there were ‘spot-fires’ breaking out in the crowd and the police formed a line between us and the fascists, which remained in place ’til near the end of the rally. At this point, Wharton gave a rambling monologue about something or other that could barely be heard above the din… thankfully. He looked almost relieved when the police wound up the rally an hour early, but it angered some of the others. They started to thrust fingers at the crowd, screaming abuse.
At 2 o’clock, Wharton again attempted to wrap things up. The antifa started yelling “Go home racists, go home” and unbelievably Wharton’s colleague grabbed the microphone and screamed “I’m not going home, I’m going to the pub!”
This brought many laughs from his fascist comrades and they all started stating how they too were going to the pub. It was rather sad to watch this small group of misfits, pathetic in defeat, and to realise that the only thing that made them happy was the thought of drowning their sorrows in alcohol.
Someone probably got glassed last night!
After
I wouldn’t be surprised if this was the end of the APDM. Such a pitiful display of public hatred, receiving so little support, and so strong an opposition, means it’s undoubtedly back to the drawing board. The looks of amazement on the faces of the passing backpackers/foreign tourists said so much. The Ugly Australian in all its ‘glory’…
In any case, as a group the the APDM are certainly nothing even resembling a threat. But on an individual basis, there are some fairly nasty minds involved who will happily scream their venomous bigotry for all the world to see.
Note:
Irrational popular tendencies do sometimes call for discretion. But powerful though they may be, they are not irresistible forces. They contain their own contradictions. Clinging to some absolute authority is not necessarily a sign of faith in authority; it may be a desperate attempt to overcome one’s increasing doubts (the convulsive tightening of a slipping grip). People who join gangs or reactionary groups, or who get caught up in religious cults or patriotic hysteria, are also seeking a sense of liberation, connection, purpose, participation, empowerment. As Reich himself showed, fascism gives a particularly vigorous and dramatic expression to these basic aspirations, which is why it often has a deeper appeal than the vacillations, compromises and hypocrisies of liberalism and leftism.
In the long run the only way to defeat reaction is to present more forthright expressions of these aspirations, and more authentic opportunities to fulfill them. When basic issues are forced into the open, irrationalities that flourished under the cover of psychological repression tend to be weakened, like disease germs exposed to sunlight and fresh air. In any case, even if we don’t prevail, there is at least some satisfaction in fighting for what we really believe, rather than being defeated in a posture of hesitancy and hypocrisy.
The dreadlocked man with the beard in the right of the photo was wearing an I-Spy t-shirt – I am still baffled about why he would be amongst those racists.
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I have on good confidence that he was arguing with them…
Two comments. I don’t think that the label fascist is appropriate to describe what is essentially the populist conservative politics (with a weird conspiracy/social democratic tinge) that the APDM were displaying that day. Also I found that the tactics the Left used weren’t brilliant. Those who were not 100% APDM members could be easily talked and reasoned with. I found a pretty simple secular argument of “the state shouldn’t legislate what people wear” was probably more effective than just yelling “racist” really loudly. These guys are not NF style bootboys. We need to make an argument in the class. I plan to write something more about this later; but I feel that the Left was displaying some of its problematic behaviours that hold it back from creating mass organisations deep in the the class. How should we deal with reactionary ideas in the class? How should we engage in debate?
Kathleen, he conducted himself with aplomb and I don’t doubt we’ll see him again in a few weeks.
The dreadlocked man with the beard was in there making arguments to the anti-burqa crowd that they should be demanding more freedom from the state, not less freedom. If they were “feeling oppressed” (as one tall, able-bodied, white male told me) that they couldn’t wear motorcycle helmets into banks, that perhaps they should make this demand on the government (at least this is how I put it to this fella).
Another thing to add to the article: I’m pretty sure the main speaker incorrectly stated in his speech that Australia has a bill of rights defending our freedom of speech.
““F*ck off you filthy c*nt”” and “most of the women in the antifa crowd were lesbians”.
Funnily enough it is we Muslims who are misogynist and oppress women as an integral part of our religion while they are the ones who uphold the rights of women and respect them as individuals. I can’t say that I approve of the in your face tactics used by the counter-demonstration for both: 1) strategic reasons, it makes you look as bad if not worse than them and; 2) allowing them to speak usually exposes them far more effectively than anything we can say. The people in their demos really are a sad lot of misfits and potential psyche ward inmates.
@Grump(y) Cat: I tend to classify groups like the APDM as ‘right-wing populist’. Of course, much depends upon the existence of a commonly agreed upon definition of such terms. Aside from that, such groups tend to be somewhat unstable in terms of ideology, and generally lack an especially coherent worldview. (As a further aside, the APDM supports the ‘Australian Tea Party’.)
@Chloe: If the main speaker you’re referring to was Wyatt Wharton, the confusion may arise from the fact that he’s apparently from Texas(?).
@Grumpy Cat: Good to know, I was horrified at the thought of someone on their “side” wearing that shirt! I couldn’t tell which group he belonged to because he spent more time with “them”.
A disturbing part of the day (though they were all disturbed) was the man in a Rail Tram & Bus Union shirt with a name tag on their “side” with a huge sign. I am surprised that a union member would turn up to a racist rally like this identifying himself. Photo of him here http://www.flickr.com/photos/phyresoflove/6016489546/.
I also just received a Facebook message from “Darren Beatle Bailey-Morris”, he is probably trolling anyone who posted on the wall for the anti-rally-rally. Seems like a cut and paste job from any of those email forwards by people who are terrified of halal Vegemite.
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The ADPM have called a repeat/new rally for 2 weeks time – looks like we’ll get to put our learnings into practice sooner than we thought.
On no! I lost a “y”!
I think the tactics of the left were to intimidate rather than argue.
@Kathleen not much of a surprise about the guy in the union shirt. His politics was a mix of DLP type stuff mixed with conspiracy theory. The Australian labour movement has always had a tendency of racist protectionist populism.
I had quite a long argument with a woman from the anti-burqa folk, and she was telling me all sorts of things like “they’re (Muslims are) going to ban Christmas” with the explanation that already somewhere some childcare wasn’t allowed to celebrate Christmas due to Muslims. This woman was a keen follower of the media, and I am left wondering how I convince her that my assertion that Muslims aren’t in fact going to ban Christmas is more legitimate than mainstream broadcast media and all its social capital.
I would suggest totally different tactics next time. Rather than just a vague anti-racist shouting team perhaps the counter rally could be aimed at passers-by. Maybe the slogan could be something along the lines of “$100bn wiped off the Australian Stock Market and you are worried about Halal chicken at KFC” and leaflets arguing why the demand to ban the burqa/concern about Muslim immigration is the biggest non-issue you could imagine. We should try to engage and talk with the hangers-on and ignore the hard-core. It’s about starting to make deeper arguments in the class.
Pretty much seconding everything Grumpy said above, here- these weren’t hardcore fascists ala hammerskins or the like, they were just xenophobic bogans engaging in kneejerk reactions. I tried talking with the Stalinists about their tactics, but given their main reason was to make themselves feel good about themselves they seemed more interested in yelling and screaming rather than trying to do anything.
Secondly, I wouldn’t call most of the counter-demonstrators “anti-fascists”, rather, they were members of various authoritarian groups who honestly had more in common with those they were screaming against than they may have liked to admit. Socialist Alliance, national socialists, they’re both myopic and authoritarian, so stuff ’em.
Lastly, I loved the comment at the end by one of the socialists, screaming that if the cops weren’t there to protect the fascists, things would have turned out differently. Seriously, if the cops weren’t there, the socialists would have had the crap beaten out of them.
Does anyone have more photos from the rally I can get my hands on?
We will see you all again on the 27th August then, I look forward to it, I at least had one decent debate with a guy on your side, he was at least interested to hear what i had to say and I was happy to listen to his opinion, we both shook hands at the end and have a better understanding of each others position. It is a shame that this couldn’t have happened with more of you, it appears that all the majority wanted to do was scream “Muslims are welcome, racists are not” and not listen to our position even though we did not heckle you whilst you had your speeches prior to our rally. Again thank you to the one person who was intelligent enough to take the time to debate.
I agree with Grumpy and others – we need better tactics than factionalism, territorialism and intimidation. Importantly: it’s not “our square” – it belongs to the people. That is not a good chant for engaging the whole community!
The Australian union movement was founded by white working class people who wanted to keep this country white.
The union movement was a big supporter of the White Australia Policy for most of the 20th Century until the Cultural Marxists took over the Labor Party and the trade union movement.
What a bunch of hypocrites and losers! The same people that brought you spitting and paint throwing on our troops returning from Vietnam. The Communists. I am not against gays! I was trying to point out that under Islam, gays and lesbians are killed, but these commos and gays had their ears shut and had a preplanned agenda. I have asked their illustrious leader several times for a public debate and she has refused because she knows without her crowd she is nothing. How gutless were these parasites? They attacked and punched our people in the back and when they turned to confront them every one of them ran like the dogs they are, in fact, there wasn’t one real man amongst the lot of them and the men actually were that scared that they stood behind the women when they confronted us-FACT!
These same people spat on our national flag and also insulted our soldiers fighting in Islamic countries calling them “child killers”. I was personally hit in the back of the head by one weasel, and when I turned and confronted him, as usual the guy said nothing and shit like a dog when I told him that next time he laid a hand on me, I would defend myself and he would wake up elsewhere from the rally. Typical gutless dogs, had to spit. They also support Conlon that made the statement “I will tear down the flag flying over parliament house and burn it and replace it with the Islamic black flag”. Are these uni misfits supported by the socialists for real? Seriously and they have the audacity to call them selves Australian. I think not! Looking at them, not one looked like they could keep a job let alone get one, and the ringleaders who we photographed hid in the background like the gutless dogs they are and told others to do their dirty work.
Yes we were outnumbered 5 to one, but I can say at the end, there were still 60 of us to their 100, and they started with over 180. We didn’t run, yet later when I was returning to the train, 4 seen me and ran like gutless dogs, typical of the ferals they were. So before this wanker tries to convince you with his simpleton communist rhetoric, look at what they stood for and done and what we did, members of the community personally came to thank me and said that the long-haired dirty louts were nothing [more] than thugs- gutless ones at that.
We are not racist, what I personally want is to avoid an 9/11 here. Muslims are the ones using racism to get what they want. Futhermore, we gave them the time to express their views, they did not afford us this as they know we would have won the hearts and minds of the people in the streets. Like it or not a majority of decent everyday “working” Australians do not want radical Islam here- this group of faceless nameless morons who hide behind fake profiles promote it. I will debate any one of these idiots anywhere anytime, but they constantly decline my offers because in reality just like the gutless Islamic radicals they defend, they are nothing without their numbers! Gutless dogs, and like I said, not a man amongst one of them. Easy way to fix them, CONSCRIPTION! Only then will we have decent people that don’t abuse our soldiers and spit on the national flag!
I’m always amused at these cats whining about “Sharia Law” when the bulk of the atrocities they cite, the nose loppings, acid throwing etc are vigilante actions.
Having traveled somewhat in Java, and as crooked as the cops are over there I can say it’s the vigilante “Religious Police” you have to watch out for, especially around Ramadan, we were actually advised to cut short our trip and head back to Bali.
Anyway, travelogues are boring.
Is the ADL/APDM/APP a legitimate movement, is it validated by any sort of widespread community sentiment fed by actual Muslim transgressions?
I’d say no.
1. There’s no evidence of Sharia Law being “pushed” outside the Muslim community.
2. There’s no evidence of Muslim religious vigilantism occurring outside their own community.
Annabel Crabbe (or was it Mischa Schubert?) recently wrote a semi-satirical article lampooning Australia’s present political class for their lack of any real ideas but also their tendency to import ideas and issues from overseas, Julia’s “questions” about the Murdoch media being an example.
The big kicker for both sides, Antifa and Zionist Patsies… sorry, “AussiePatriots” is the lack of any problematic racial tension or underlying sectarian issues between Muslims and White Australians. Those of us who actually share living spaces with large numbers of Muslims are pretty good at ignoring them, a tactic which the Muslims also embrace wholeheartedly in regard to us.
Importing issues from Europe or the U.K, adopting their style of activism and generally “making shit up” about each other hardly recommends either side to the wider community.
@ all the losers – firstly you did not give us the decency we afforded you. You just ranted and raved and only had one agenda- to stop us from speaking! Why- because if we had the opportunity to do as we let you do, the crowd would have heard us and realised we are not racists, just real Australians, former sportsmen and soldiers and career businessmen that love our country and are concerned at the rise of Islamical radicals which your group openly support. Members of your filthy rent a crowd even spat on our national flag, yet you say you are Australians. What a joke.
As for bogans, I live in a very nice suburb, work fulltime, run a business and [am] involved with a leading political party, meanwhile your so called “decent” “non-racist” thugs smelt, hadn’t shaved in months and looked like they had slept in the gutter overnight! Some even had no shoes on, yet I am the “bogan”. Seriously! A multimillionaire businessman even went to speak, not involved with us and you insulted him. And thank you for that as he has said he will now financially support us and we will have what we need. Thank you once again.
At the end of the day, you are nothing more than uneducated misinformed 20-something know-it-all gutless parasites, that resort to spitting and hitting people from behind as you are all too gutless to do it to our faces! Once confronted the people nearly died when I personally confronted them. GUTLESS! We even had one of your filthy gutless parasites approach our children sitting away from the rally and threaten them, how gutless is that? 4 to 10 year olds! Real brave!
You have no right to call your selves Australian, you gave up that right when you verbally insulted our soldiers and spat on our national flag, and we have pictures to prove it. You people are all too stupid to realise that Islam is dangerous, it kills millions each year, but you are too stupid to hear that, you call me a racist yet I am Irish and have [A]boriginal family. You call me a fascist yet I am a [J]ew, you insulted us by calling us racists yet your men attacked one of our [E]nglish girls and told her to f### off back to where she came from. Double standards but what can we expect from a bunch of know-it-all half wits that have never done anything for their country except for slander those who have.
I would fix all you losers in one minute- it’s called “CONSCRIPTION”. I know you don’t like that word as it means you would have to get off your lazy arses and do a job. Come back and see me in twenty years when the lot of you have matured, and seriously- what is it with you rent a crowd? Tinkerbell nearly died when I looked him in the eyes as he was that scared, and the loser with the camera and the pretty floral yellow pants, some of our Army boys and Vietnam bikers are looking real forward to having a quiet word with them in the near future.
Seriously, wake up and smell the roses before the radicals that you blindly support do what they have done in every other country they have spread their disease in, bombings, rape, murder! Me as a heterosexual married family man that does not smoke, drink or do drugs is safe. You parasites are not that lucky. Under Islam, women do not speak, attend uni or speak openly in public. If you do you are stoned, gays and lesbians are killed, druggies are stoned, smoking, rock music and alcohol is banned and anyone doing it will be murdered. There goes your rent a crowd. What I am trying to prevent is a bombing happening here, you idiots are allowing it to happen. It is not a matter of if- it is a matter of when!
Continue with your ignorant socialist “it won’t happen here” ways- and you all personally will have blood on your hands. Believe me. Only a matter of when, and I all hope you idiots are not hurt or killed as while I have no respect for any of you, I worry for your families as after all, I am a decent Australian and have fought and will continue to fight for people like you, too stupid or gutless to do so for yourselves! God bless and remember- Jesus loves you brother- Mohammad loves your little sister!!!
Three hundred boat people have been housed at RAAF Sherger Air Base in Weipa.
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As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens.
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Can a devout Muslim be an Australian/New Zealander/American and a loyal citizen?
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And you know people are waiting to see the author of this site keep his credibility and keep these posts as there is still- at the moment in this country- freedom of speech and both sides should be heard as they were not on Saturday the 6th.
Grumpy Cat Said:
“$100bn wiped off the Australian Stock Market and you are worried about Halal chicken at KFC and leaflets arguing why the demand to ban the burqa/concern about Muslim immigration is the biggest non-issue you could imagine.”
I would love to hear someone elaborate on why the stock market, immigration and halal concern each other. It sounds like a slogan that would lead to endless, pointless crap.
Aren’t they three completely separate issues?
Wouldn’t it be a bit more simple if there were just one issue at a time?
Aussie that is the point – that there are real issues (such as the economic crisis) and then non-issues with lots of hype (halal chicken at KFC). By the way Darren I am happy to debate on the 27th.
cheers
Dave
@Aussie
There are objectively more important issues than halal food or the burqa, and these are simply used as decoy. This shift in politics has been witnessed all over Europe.
Since the 80s, we have slowly moved from a class struggle to a race struggle. Of course, I am not saying that anything has really changed, merely that New Right politicians (starting on the extreme right) have won what they termed the ‘vocabulary battle’. By perverting and using Gramsci’s theories against the left, they have managed to reclaim, at least in mainstream media, what made the left the logical defender of the people.
Clearly, it is not useful to call these demonstrators fascists as most are not (apart from the crazies like Darren who seems to be the typical lower middle class frustrated white male ready to lead such pathetic organisation). The rest of their supporters are often alienated lower working classes who can no longer find a potent convincing alternative on the left. Therefore, it is crucial to offer this alternative and to reclaim what the left used to stand for.
@Andy
I wouldn’t call them right-wing populist either as populism is a tricky word which tends to give these organisations some sort of perverse justification. Indeed, in populism, there is the word people. This term is now used proudly by the extreme right across Europe. As French Front National leader Le Pen said: ‘if being a populist meant being a democrat, then, I am a populist’.
I think that for precision’s sake, it would be best to call them populist extreme right or radical right rather than right-wing populist. Populism in that sense is not central, it is only one element of their movement. This element in turn should be clearly defined as merely rhetorical: It is not the people who create the populist, but rather the populist who creates the people.
Not sure that makes any sense! Let me know if not and I’ll spend a bit more time on it.
@Not quite the populist: Yeah, good points. ‘Right-wing populist’ may be inaccurate, and it does tend to function in a way that can legitimise right-wing rhetoric as reflective in some way of popular opinion or, more precisely, as being intended to embody the voice of the people when, as you note, it’s just as much the case, if not more, that the populist creates the ‘people’. On the other hand, groups like the APDM, I think, tend to be an inchoate expression of some sector of popular opinion, perhaps that of an especially (xeno-)phobic segment of the lower-middle class. As such, according them a particular ideological stratum is not straightforward.
@Darren: A few things. 1. Paragraphs are your friend. 2. Cutting and pasting texts from paranoid anti-Muslim blogs can be done elsewhere. In other words, don’t spam my blog. 3. Your fears of an Islamic take-over are irrational. 4. I’m not especially interested in indulging your long-winded phantasies, hostilities and paranoias. Keep it short, keep it snappy.
@Foot Soldier:
@(r)evolution: There’s moar photos on The Antibogan blog.
@Andy, I find it funny you reference Owain Jones, the guy is pretty mentally unbalanced and prone to outbursts of violence.
@Revolution: [email protected], hit me up and I’ll throw you the pics/vids I have of the day, I have about 30 minutes of footage and maybe 200 photos if you’re interested.
@Darren: Islam isn’t a monolithic entity, there are many different types of Islam, as there are many different kinds of Christianity. We have everyone from that psycho in Norway calling himself a Christian, to Catholics, to militant pacifists like Quakers who all consider themselves to follow the teachings of Christ. So it is within Muslim communities- the vast majority of Muslims are not radicals, nor do they want Sharia law. There are, in fact, a few bad apples who are extremists, but that’s the same with any group of people, in that there are quite a few bad apples who mess it up for everyone else.
Yes, there were many, many spineless, stupid communists there, and asides from the communists themselves I think most people who were there to oppose you, would agree. As I’ve said, of course they didn’t want to discuss things- they were only there to make themselves feel good and give themselves a pat on the back. That stupid mole who shoved you in the face with a megaphone, as an example, nobody seriously pays attention to her- same with the organiser of the rally- they’re not there because they really care about racism in Australia, they’re there because they’re attention seeking brats who are full of crap, and nobody (besides themselves) actually takes them seriously or pays attention to anything they say. I should say though, that one of the main socialists from one of the socialist parties is actually a veteran who *has* served his country, but he’s certainly a rarity.
“…and the loser with the camera and the pretty floral yellow pants, some of our Army boys and Vietnam bikers are looking real forward to having a quiet word with them in the near future.”
It’s possible you mean me here. If you recall, you started shouting that you were gonna shove my camera up my rear end before the rally had even started, without even trying to engage me in any kind of conversation first- you didn’t know anything about me or why I was there. If you’d paid attention, you should have seen a few commies randomly trying to punch me directly before that after I tried to get them to actually debate you instead of screaming for two hours like they ended up doing, or that I was trying to talk with a few of your guys during the day about why they believed what they did and why. As for the quiet word threat- I’d love to have a chat with a few of you, in fact, I did try to do as such during the day, but asides from a few hangers on a lot of your mob were just as bad, screaming and yelling incoherently.
The protest in Brisbane had nothing racial about it.
One must look at it from a class perspective.
The protesters were mainly middle class conservatives. From the 1960s, they have avoided the racial question in order to appear mainstream. One wonders if they have actually abandoned racial nationalism or have just tried to hide what they are really about!
Studying middle class conservative parties (DLP, ON and CDP) I must say that I don’t believe that they are racialists.
Although there might be a racialist faction within those political parties.
The DLP campaigned back in the ’50s and ’60s to abolish the White Australia Policy and to this day oppose White Australian nationalism.
The CDP just wants all people who come to Australia to be Christian. That is not racialist but the left might argue that religion is racial and so that the CDP is in fact racist. But I disagree.
As for One Nation, these days they are just Christians and take a religious not racial view.
Australia First, a racial political party, has criticized the DLP, CDP and ON for focusing too much on the Islamic question.
I too don’t really consider Islam to be a serious issue.
I agree with the Marxist who said that there are other more important issues at the moment (e.g. the ongoing economic problem).
In regards to the APP, they are just the same as the other already mentioned conservative political parties.
The racial nationalist movement in Australia since the founding of National Action in 1982 has become more working class socialist.
I have said time after time that we must reject middle class conservatism. I have addressed this issue in great detail in the Manifesto of White Australian Nationalism.
As for the extent of support for either side of the debate on Islam, I make this observation:
The various Trotskyite groups don’t have much support outside of the intelligentsia.
The middle class conservatives are just used by the Liberals in the same way that a guy uses a condom to screw a chick. The Liberals just use the moron conservatives to screw the Australian people. The usefulness is only for a short time and they are disposed of soon afterward.
Since I am such a pedant Sophia I just have to point out that I think I have been pretty vocal in my loyal opposition to the tactics of the counter rally and I am one of the few people there who would openly identify as a communist so be careful with your taxonomy.
cheers
Dave
For the record, ALL people should not be allowed to cover their faces. Other than that ALL people should be able to wear what they like especially on their heads.
@Foot Soldier.
Anyone who uses the term “Class Struggle” and “Racial Struggle” in the same sentence is obviously a bit of a Thickie.
If you’re exhorting us to join your version of the “Class Struggle” and telling us it’s anything but Anti White then perhaps you also have a mother you’d like to go and fuck.
The term “Class Unity” should be self explanatory it’s not a “Racial Struggle”, couch it in those terms and all you’ll attract are the “Bums, Fuckwits and Lowlifes” who, as we’ve seen are pretty much interchangeable across the spectrum of street level activism.
Grow up, you live in a predominantly White country in which the majority ethnic groups have no political representation which serves our specific (or even general) interests and the minority racial groups are at best ignored and at worst subjected to an ongoing program of genocide.
Being Anti White makes you as bad, if not worse than the ADL/APP and condemns anything you might try and put together to the same fate.
Do you really want to be fighting everybody?
So are we on for the Dave via Darren debate? Can we get it recorded or broadcast live on the internet or something? Darren has thrown down the gauntlet, and Dave has manfully decided to join in the battle of wits (against half-wits). You’re still game Darren?
Aussie bogans go worldwide. This has potential as a pay-per-view event on a par with Mundine v Green. Any takers?
Sweet. I’m glad someone wrote up the “Ban dem Burqas” event. It didn’t get much of a coverage in the lamestream media.
Okay, having the US lose its AAA rating that day would probably blow anything else off the front page… but when the Courier Mail thinks “Increased Parking Fees at Chermside Shopping Centre” is more important[*], then that really indicates the magnitude of the action taking by these self-professed patriots.
For those following the riots in London, some interesting tidbits:
So who would you rather have your back? Some ‘orrible ‘ooligans of various races, or dead serious Men of the Faith? I don’t share their religion, but I’d feel a damn lot safer with them in the street than the APDM.
[*] Yep, an actual link from the cyst.
Yeh cool, fair points, I get there are bigger issues. Believe it or not, but my guitar string just broke two seconds ago, I think that’s a bigger issue. Now all I have to do is find someone to blame!
What I’m getting at though is: you don’t compare to your girlfriend that your guitar string being broken is a bigger issue than her hair straightener breaking. She just won’t get it, you could go on to her but it would probably do more harm than good.
The issue is… Immigrants, mostly Muslims it seems, and “racism”. Halal is a separate issue, although “racists” seem to use it as some kind of proof Muslims are bad. It’s irrelevant, halal is a separate issue, so is the stock market.
So now that we’re back to the start with the issue of “racism”. How do you stop it?
A reaction? No because that just causes another reaction, and so on.
A debate? Debates just prove who is better at debating, and cause reactions. Debates are also stupid.
None of these things deal with the issue of what makes a person racist.
There are a big pile of things that make a “racist” a “racist”, but the main three are (I think):
Cultural upbringing: A rich spoilt kid usually grows up to be rich and spoilt, it’s not wise to blame people for turning out the way you raised them, and it is not wise to blame people for being bad when they were brought into a bad world. Especially when you are also a product of your past.
Fear: What does a rich person experience when the stock market isn’t going his way? Fear. It’s not a different kind of fear, it’s exactly the same. Some people carry so much of it they are preparing for the end of the world. Of course, media causes the bulk of it due to their tendency to thrive on negative stuff.
And identity loss: Seeing as it is Andy’s blog I’ll use him as an example. If someone were to ask him who he was he would probably explain what he does for a job or mention this blog, maybe, depending on who he was talking to, but you get the picture. If all of these things that make Andy, Andy were to be taken away, who would he be? You will probably find a lot of “racists” feel like they are losing their identity, or are in fear of losing it.
Andy probably doesn’t even agree with me, but I am going to give him credit for the note in the post, unfortunately though I don’t think everyone read it.
Oi Oi Oi.
Well Socialism comes from society, having grown up in a society and been raised by old school White Australian Socialists who actually regarded society as a verb I can relate to that sense of loss.
Start rebuilding and practicing society and we’ll talk about Socialism down the track.
BTW I feel as though I’ve roughly used “Foot soldier” (Oooo Er).
My objection to the post and its underlying, quasi ideological slant is not so much that it’s stupid and divisive it’s that I don’t trust so called Socialists or Liberals to do the right thing by their “Victim class”.
History speaks for itself, dragging innocent and defenceless non Whites into a White class struggle always has disastrous consequences.
Like all good Liberals today’s crop will behave just as their counterparts in the 20th century did, they’ll stand on their grocery corner and avert their eyes as the Fascists march the deportees away.
That goes for the above post as well, people who lack the guts to stand toe to toe with the Man have no business hiding behind Refugees and Aborigines.
You’re not a victim of Racism and not a perpetrator, it’s not your issue, your problem is with the Man, not “Racists”.
The Man is Anti Racist when he needs to be so what are your options?
You can go whining to the Man or, pretend to chase phantom “Racists” or … stand on your grocery corner and avert your eyes.
Did anyone else see Barnaby Joyce there on the weekend?
As Thomas Quaid once stated (loosely) “If you stop someone from speaking what’s on their mind, no matter how vile you may think it is, then you have also lost your right to speak freely as well, and this social experiment of democracy has failed miserably”. So to the Socialist mob out there on Saturday, you have NO right to speak at all, as your agenda was only to stop people from speaking.
I am the man in the top picture you have chosen to put up to show the world, and I find it abhorrent that of all the pictures you were taking of me, you chose this one. I spoke to the lady in the picture early on, and she was quite obviously mentally handicapped, and had been set up as was I. You did not show the other side of her placard, which stated “I protest about gender specific protest wear” which quite obviously meant that she was NOT on your side at all, just also wanted to have her right to her say, albeit at the wrong rally. As for the question about anyone running away at the end, when you have a permit to rally for 2 hours, law abiding citizens make their way out of the area, as I did at 2pm, and also the ADPM.
That which I find even more abhorrent, is the FACT that you so called socialists spat on our great Australian flag!
There are people (REAL MEN) who fought and died for our flag and country, to give you filthy vermin the right to even be here yourselves.
I grew up in a multicultural society, and want it stated that I am NOT a racist.
A lot of my friends come from many different countries of origin, and I respect them deeply. If you were to actually ask one of their grieving Nanass to remove their face veil, they would do it gladly. Personally I have NO problem with a head scarf, religion of choice, or what sex you may choose to be. Some of your “antifa” actually showed some balls, and spoke to me on the day, and I stated my reasons, they theirs, and hands were shaken and thankyous were exchanged, for the simple reasoning, I may not agree with you, but yes, even you have a right to say things that I may or may not agree with.
I was there to protest the burqa, in the interest of Police safety, and national security. I cannot wear a balaclava into a bank, and also have to have my photo of my face on my drivers’ licence, as should anyone who resides in this great land of ours.
In closing, the socialist party of this great democracy, showed what a bunch of rights thieves they actually are, and for that, I now have absolutely NO RESPECT for you, and neither should any of my fellow Australians!
Hey all
It seems that the APDM facebook page has been archived…not sure if this is because they have fallen apart or because facebook has just been archiving heaps of non-upgraded group pages. Also the event for their next rally is gone. Technical glitch or something more?
cheers
Dave
@Grumpy: I understand that there’s some in-fighting so I imagine this is one of the results.
@Doug: Who is the man, and what goes for my post?
An ex drug dealer would be a good person to learn from if you wanted to know what it is exactly that makes people take drugs (psychologically speaking).
For the same reasons, my point is valid when it comes to “racism”.
I’m not sure if you misunderstood me, or I misunderstood you, but I am trying to say as nicely as possible without being too confusing, or rude, that this is the way it is. :).
@ Aussie.
I’ve read your post again and you may consider yourself to have been “roughly used” as well, I apologise, I didn’t realise you were new to the “Anti Racism” milieu.
Then again this medium often leads to misunderstandings.
“The Man” is the “Them” in “Us and Them”, there’s always a “Them”…establishment, elite, oppressor, Lord…the name you give them depends on who you are and what your beef with them is.
I’m just using “The Man” in this case.
What I’m objecting to in “Foot Soldier’s” post is their particular slant on Anti Racism, they’re using Anti Racism as a pretext for “White Bashing”, as an ethnic Australian White man I find that offensive.
I’ll approach the issue from a different angle.
If someone has a point to make about the treatment of those of a different ethnicity then they need only make their point, there’s no need to drag my ethnic group, White Australians into every single debate on the way “The Man” mistreats his subjects.
I’ll give you an example:
The Man’s ongoing program of Genocide against indigenous Australians.
Now what’s the issue here?
Is it Racism? Is it ethnic White Australians, their attitudes and actions?
Neither, the issue is Genocide, am I right?
If you want to stop the Genocide you have to take out The Man, to do that you have to be on a consistent message “The Man is carrying out a program of Genocide against Indigenous Australians”.
If you deviate from that you’re diluting or damping down the message, even if you go into specifics of who-what-when-where, or start counting off atrocities.
Institutional Racism and Institutional Anti Racism both come from the same source, believe me a consistent message is Kryptonite to The Man, so if someone’s denying the Genocide and behaving in a “Racist” fashion or behaving in a stereotypically, hysterical “Self Hating White” manner then you need to cast a leery eye on them because they’re probably working for The Man at some level, even if it’s only as a result of heavy indoctrination.
Being “Antifa” or opposing discriminatory practices against less empowered Ethnic groups doesn’t mean a person is anti White, as you dig deeper into this, for want of a better term, “Cluster Fuck” surrounding “Racism” you start to see who’s genuinely against prejudice and discrimination in all its forms and who is running some other game.
I don’t want to divert the comments any further but keep looking at “Institutional Racism” against Aborigines, past and present and then look at “Institutional Anti-Racism” which targets my ethnic group, White Australians.
What you need to be on the look out for is consistency in rhetoric, attitudes and behaviour.
‘Nuff Said 😉
Apparently my comprehension and/or reading skills are failing in my dotage, replace the references to “Foot Soldier” in my earlier series of posts with “Not Quite The Populist”, the rest stands.
I’m basically an oaf who came to this sport in middle age so you’ll have to excuse my somewhat chaotic approach.
The Aborigin[e]s must help themselves.
A man can receive lots of help but he alone can only be the one who truly helps himself.
The Australian Aboriginals have a clear choice: either live the same way the have for the last 40 thousand years or embrace the 21st Century.
Industrialists have started to help them by giving them jobs in the mining sector.
Many Aborigin[e]s have been lifted out of poverty thanks to this private sector programme.
As one great German once said, either you modernise or you fall behind.
A flat tax?! Well that’s just the last straw!
The trouble with this mob is that the conveyors of their message are inarticulate, reactionary bogans. Let’s just assume that ideologically I’m sitting on the fence. I’m a potential convert. Lay your rhetoric on me: mesmerise and convert me into an Islamophobe. I can’t say I particularly care for fundamentalists on either side of this religious face-off, and moreover, I don’t give a bat’s winkle for any religion. But I’m virgin meat waiting for the gospel words to entrance me into joining these guys at Martin Place with an Aussie flag, an Akubra hat, a dinky-di drizabone and a few choice Slim Dusty tunes on my iPod (that’s if an iPod isn’t too Jewish). Most importantly, I’ll be there with a grammatically correct placard and rally behind a stirring speech. I WANT to hate Muslims. I NEED to hate SOMEBODY. But where WAS that rousing speech to send me grappling for the jack boots? All I saw was a jittery blokette with a megaphone and a trembling voice that seemed almost afraid to utter her words in case somebody much smarter retorted to them. Then there was that hysterical European woman with her crucifix necklace and pit-bull denial of rational debate. Where are their orators? Where is their leader? Where is the core philosophy and frankly, where is their philosophy? I hear just one retarded slogan, ‘Islam doesn’t belong here’. Fair enough, can’t say I’m in love with it, but what comes next? Surely there is a master plan for a greater Australia? But there isn’t, and watching that (rally) on YouTube was plum embarrassing. Nah, I’m scratching my balls and flicking the channel on this one: besides, my nationalism got irretrievably whacked in the boo-boos when the Aussie cricket team was socked out of the top spot. I ain’t ashamed of being White, but dingbats embarrass the bejesus out of me. When lumpens like that can DO something instead of NEGATE it, then I might be disposed to afford them consideration. Until then, bring back Ross ‘the Skull’ May; at least he was funny to look at.
Oh, and bogans: you wanna ban the burqa, but you worship the hoodie???