For reasons of state #6,322

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1. Darrin Hodges says:

   March 7, 2008 at 7:28 am

   You might want to adjust your figures there naziboy –

   Two gunmen infiltrated a rabbinical seminary and opened fire near Jerusalem, killing at least seven, police and rescue workers said.

   Israeli media said about 35 people were wounded.

   Ambulances raced to the scene from around the city. Media reports said many people were wounded, Hundreds of police surrounded the area and searched the campus.

   The gunmen entered a dining hall where about 80 people were gathered, witnesses said, and opened fire.

   “There are at least seven killed and 10 people wounded,” said Eli Dein, director of Israel’s rescue service.

   SMH
2. juancastro says:

   March 7, 2008 at 4:09 pm

   If they weren’t living in an apartheid state committing genocide in slow-motion, they would not have died. As it is, I blame the Israeli state, although I think terrorism is a tactical mistake after the recent pro-Palestine PR campaign resulting from Israel’s disgusting blitz on Gaza.

   The kids _are_ suffering on both sides, but Israeli kids become oppressors.
3. Darrin Hodges says:

   March 7, 2008 at 7:27 pm

   Pseudostinians celebrate terrorist attack. Hey, let’s give them a state!
4. Darrin Hodges says:

   March 7, 2008 at 7:34 pm

   UN condemns Israel for defending herself, but fails to condemn terrorist attack on Israeli school.

   Funny about that.
5. @ndy says:

   March 7, 2008 at 11:56 pm

   (naziboy. You mean like, the kinda boy who expresses admiration for Hitler?)

   Anyone would think that there’s some kind of civil war going on eh?

   Institution such as the UN Human Rights Council routinely condemn violence: in this instance, Israeli attacks on Gaza and Palestinian attacks on Israel.

   The UN Security Council is a separate body, with a separate membership. The Security Council — composed of five permanent members (China, France, Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States) and ten non-permament members (Belgium, Indonesia, South Africa, Burkina Faso, Italy, Viet Nam, Costa Rica, Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, Croatia and Panama) — was unable to obtain a consensus on the resolution in question because the Libyan delegate blocked it — the right of any member of the Security Council. The power of veto is reserved for the permanent members, but is routinely used by the US to block resolutions on the subject of Israel. As for the press release, the Libyan delegate demanded that any proclamation include condemnation of Israeli attacks on Gaza — in other words, a statement of the kind actually issued by the 47-member HRC (33 for, 1 against and 13 abstentions). Thus:

   “In closed-door discussion among the 15-nation council’s diplomats, Libya insisted the statement should be “balanced” by including condemnation of Israeli actions in Gaza, a Libyan U.N. representative said after the meeting.

   Three other nations agreed with Libya, but most council members wanted to keep the issues separate, said council diplomats involved in the negotiations.

   Russia’s U.N. ambassador Vitaly Churkin, the council’s president this month, suggested a compromise by including an expression of deep regret at the loss of civilian life in the conflicts so far, and said he regretted Libya would not go along.”

   On US vetoes of UN resolutions on Israel, click here.
6. Changeling says:

   March 11, 2008 at 1:59 am

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   There’s a lot of information in this post. I firstly deal with some of the issues raised in this thread, then provide an abundance of links with descriptions for those wishing to do further research.

   “Gaza Militants Kill 1 Israeli Soldier” declares The Guardian/Associated Press. Hmmm. “Gaza militants”. Kinda conjures up images of brave revolutionaries fighting the good fight against an intractable oppressor, doesn’t it? The kind of guys that “leftists” can sympathise with. That is, until we scroll down a bit and read “[Islamic Jihad said] “We are sending our message to all the Zionist criminals,” he said. “Your threats to target the leaders of resistance … won’t scare us. We are going to continue our resistance and holy war, and we will continue to rain rockets on your colonies until we make them ghost towns”.”

   War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Antisemitic murderers who deliberately “rain rockets” on Jewish (and other) civilians in order to ethnically cleanse them (euphemistically described as “mak[ing] them ghost towns”) are “militants” who are “leaders of resistance” who the big bad Israelis should stop picking on and make a peace deal with.

   “GAZA’S humanitarian crisis is more acute now than at any time since Israel took control of the territory in the 1967 war, aid agencies have said.” explains Mr. Butcher. This may or may not be true, however what is insightful is the reference to the 1967 war. Both Gaza and the West Bank were illegally seized by Egypt and Jordan in their attempted and failed war of genocide against Israel in 1948. Before the 1967 war, the PLO’s charter explicitly made no claim over these territories (they re-wrote their charter in 1968 to explicitly include these territories). In the 10 years following, the Israelis implemented policies which improved the general living standards of the Gaza and West Bank Arabs over and above – with the exception of some of the oil Sheikdoms – Arabs living in Arab countries. To the best of my knowledge, this fact is not disputed. Rather strange behaviour for an “oppressive colonialist occupying power” to engage in, one would think.

   “The situation in Gaza is “man made, completely avoidable, and with the necessary political will, can be reversed”, say the [Humanitarian aid] groups.”

   Platitude. Do these “Humanitarians” even bother thinking about what “political will” is “necessary” to reverse such “man made” situations such as those caused by Hamas’s openly genocidal and Islamist agenda (which, incidentally, murders and oppresses far more Arabs than Israelis)? It doesn’t appear so.

   “The loss of jobs is caused almost entirely by Israel’s closure of the frontier, because all produce from Gaza has to go through Israel.” Mr. Butcher informs us – avoiding any awkward analysis of *why* the “frontier”(?) has been closed, and avoiding any mention of Egypt which also borders Gaza (why do goods *have* to go through Israel?) and which is normally quite happy to allow weapons to be smuggled across its border.

   I am of course giving Butcher the benefit of a very large doubt and assuming that the factual statements made are indeed factual – a rather dangerous thing for me to do, considering what I now know about Western media – which, incidentally, includes much of the Israeli media – collusion with “Pallywood” (and its Lebanese equivalent, “Hezbollywood”) to make up blatant lies about the world’s only Jewish state.

   Then Mr. Butcher returns with the headline “Israeli minister vows Palestinian ‘holocaust’” – a rather disingenuous headline considering that several paragraphs into the article one can read “The Israeli government moved quickly to try to defuse the impact of Mr Vilnai’s use of the sensitive term. His office put out a statement later trying to water down the meaning of the word. “Mr. Vilnai was meaning ‘disaster’,” the statement said. “He did not mean to make any allusion to the genocide.” ”

   I will say for the record that I wouldn’t trust the Israeli Establishment as far as I could spit it, so I don’t put much weight on this Israeli qualification. What I do put weight on is a fact which is not controversial and which Butcher’s article acknowledges, namely that there’s a “….daily barrage of rockets fired from Gaza over the border into Israel.”

   Huh? A *daily barrage of rockets* (many of which originate from Gush Katif, after Ariel Sharon used the IDF to ethnically cleanse the 8000 Jews who were living there in late 2005) and people start complaining when Israel actually responds?

   Anyone who wishes to moralise about the actions of the Israelis should be able to easily point to another country in a similar situation which is behaving better – which can be used as a moral example to shame the Israelis. I suspect they will be unable to do so. For those who wish to pull a line such as “Israel’s a state and states are bad”, then I challenge them to explain how an anarchist society in a similar situation would behave better – how it would deal with external military threats.

   The B’Tselem statistics are rather misleading, considering that – for some reason – they haven’t divided Palestinians into “Palestinian civilians” and “Palestinian security forces”… I mean…*cough*…”militants”. Nor do these statistics explain why the majority of Palestinians killed by the IDF are men, while Israeli deaths are roughly 50/50 male/female – in spite of the well documented fact that Palestinian “militants” regularly use women and children as human shields. Nor do they explain *why* Israeli civilian deaths are relatively low. They would be much higher if it weren’t for Israeli civil defense procedures such as the utilising of bomb shelters and in the case of the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah war, the evacuation of around 1,000,000 civilians from Northern Israel.

   Juancastro’s logic is typical of that of the psuedo-left.

   “If they weren’t living in an apartheid state committing genocide in slow-motion, they would not have died.”

   Juancastro is invited to explain *how* Israel is an “apartheid state” – particularly in light of the refutation of this slanderous nonsense available at http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/land.htm – be sure to check out the footnotes and be sure to ponder on what Martin Luther King had to say about Israel.

   If the Israelis are committing genocide against the Palestinians then it really must be “slow-motion” – as far as I’m aware the Palestinian population is growing. Not the sort of thing one would expect as the result of a genocide.

   “As it is, I blame the Israeli state, although I think terrorism is a tactical mistake after the recent pro-Palestine PR campaign resulting from Israel’s disgusting blitz on Gaza.”

   War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Arabs aren’t responsible for deliberate attacks on Israeli civilians, the Israeli state is. Terrorism directed at Jews isn’t morally objectionable, it is simply a tactical mistake which interferes with PR campaigns. People who hold Jews responsible for the actions of Arab terrorists (erhum…cough…”militants”) aren’t antisemites and anti-Arab racists, they are progressive left wing revolutionaries who are simply doing their bit to show their solidarity with the Good Fight (Inc.) the Palestinians are waging.

   Anyway, I’ll provide some links for those who wish to do further research. Also, if anyone requires me to clarify anything I’ve said or provide further evidence then do please ask. As a former anti-zionist who now realises that the next Jewish genocide is imminent, I’m familiar with virtually all the anti-zionist lines and how such lines are extremely dangerous – particularly at this critical point in history.

   THE “PALESTINIAN MOVEMENT”
   =====================

   “How did the ‘Palestinian movement’ emerge? The British sponsored it. Then the German Nazis, and the US.”
   http://www.hirhome.com/israel/pal_mov4.htm
   While this 4 part series is certainly worth reading in its entirety, part 4 documents the generally unknown history of the PLO and the “Palestinian Movement” generally.

   “PLO murders US diplomats; US State Department protects…the PLO!”
   http://www.hirhome.com/israel/state_plo.htm
   The title is self explanatory. Keep in mind that this occurred in 1973 – long before anyone really pretended that the PLO was anything more than an antisemitic terrorist organisation.

   “What is Seeds of Peace? Does this US Intelligence operation groom young Arab leaders who want peace with Israel, or who wish to destroy Israel?”
   http://www.hirhome.com/israel/seeds.htm

   “Is the US an ally of Israel? A chronological look at the evidence”
   http://www.hirhome.com/israel/hirally.htm
   Blows away the popular notion – which most pro-Israel and anti-Israel people will actually agree with each other on – that the US is an ally of Israel.
   Be sure to read the introduction. While this large online book is worth reading in its entirety, pay particular attention to the years from the early 1970s to the early 1990s. 1982 and 1985 are certainly must-reads and for those who think the 1st Intifada was a “spontaneous uprising” (as I once did), the 1987 section will come as a rude shock – it was a US-PLO operation.
   It is also well worth reading the 1947 section – particularly the PDF available at http://www.hirhome.com/israel/apr.pdf which shows the approximately 200,000 workers from around America who converged on New York to protest the arms embargo the US and Britain slapped on the Israeli Jews – in spite of the fact that the Arab states made their genocidal intentions very clear. Britain also aided the Arab states by providing captured Nazis as “advisors”. Back then, the Left had a clearer picture of who the enemy is than this *thing* which calls itself “the Left” today. Back then, they had a clearer picture of who Grand Mufti Hajj Amin al Husseini was and what he was about. One wonders how many Palestinian Solidarity Activists today have even heard of him.

   “PLO/Fatah’s Nazi training was CIA-sponsored”
   http://www.hirhome.com/israel/cia-fatah.htm

   “Hamas vs. Fatah: A curious ‘fight’ What if Hamas and Fatah are not really enemies?”
   http://www.hirhome.com/israel/fatah_hamas.htm

   THE *REAL* CRIMES OF THE ZIONIST/JEWISH ESTABLISHMENT
   =========================================

   “THE PROBLEM OF JEWISH SELF-DEFENSE”
   http://www.hirhome.com/israel/leaders0.htm
   Another multi-part series. Documents numerous instances where Jewish/Zionist leaders have actively collaborated with antisemitic ruling elites (including genocidal ones) and actively sabotaged Jewish defense efforts – this dynamic has led many an antisemite to claim “The Jews did it to themselves”. This series explains that dynamic and puts it in a far more accurate context. Parts 4 and 4.5 document and contextualise the relatively well known history of the collaboration between leading Zionists and the German Nazis.

   “Why have Israeli leaders been lying to their fellow citizens about the Fatah/PLO?”
   http://www.hirhome.com/israel/leaders_lied.htm
   Given that the Israeli Establishment is obviously aware of the history of Fatah and what Fatah is about, why are they cooperating with the obviously phony “peace” process and not publicising this history? Israel’s deadliest enemy is – most likely – its own Ruling Elites.

   “What is AIPAC for? Does the so-called ‘Jewish Lobby’ produce pro-Israeli US foreign policy, or the opposite?”
   http://www.hirhome.com/israel/aipac.htm

   Articles on the Ringworm Children Affair – probably the greatest (Labour) Zionist atrocity after their collaboration with the Nazis – the deliberate over-irradiation with X-rays of around 100,000 Sephardic Jewish children in the 1950s. Most of these kids ended up dying of brain tumors and other radiation related illnesses, many ended up on the fringes of Israeli society riddled with health issues. There are some adult survivors.
   http://www.linktv.org/programs/ringworm
   http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/09/11/p19437

   http://www.thebarrychamishwebsite.com/
   The website of Barry Chamish – Israeli investigative journalist (who had to flee Israel recently after an attempt on his life – most likely by the General Security Service or “Shin Bet”, the Israeli equivalent of the FBI) who’s main focusses are the role of Jesuit trained Vatican frontman Shimon Peres in the Yitzhak Rabin assassination, the demonisation of the settlers, the role of the Vatican in Middle Eastern affairs and the links between the Israeli Establishment and the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations). Chamish was the one who exposed the Ringworm Children atrocity.

   The Jews of Gaza: Demonization vs. Reality Photo-essay shows young people talking to soldiers about the planned eviction of all Jews from Gaza
   http://emperors-clothes.com/israel/kisufim.htm

   Compared to its crimes against Jews – including Zionist Jews – the Israeli Establishment’s crimes against Arabs can seem to pale into insignificance. But they are great. Obviously there are occasional Israeli war crimes against Arabs – to the best of my knowledge, there has not yet been a fighting force of any significance assembled which has committed zero war crimes.
   No, the *real* crimes of the Israeli Ruling Elite against Arabs must surely be more along of:
   a) Allowing (albeit under intense US pressure) the PLO in to lord over the Gaza and West bank Arabs. The PLO have murdered far more Arabs than they have Israelis.
   b) Doing very little to expose the widespread hate indoctrination of Palestinian children – some of which can be viewed via http://www.pmw.org.il/ and http://memritv.com/
   c) By concealing the history of the PLO and concealing the various agendas unfolding in the Middle East generally, the Israeli Establishment is effectively empowering the worst elements in the Arab/Islamic world – elements which murder, exploit, oppress and generally abuse far more Arab Humans than even the most racist Israeli could dream about.

   If the forces of Global antisemitism succeed in orchestrating the next Shoah – this time using the antisemitic forces of the Islamic world – it will not be Muslims who benefit.

   These are the sort of issues which are at stake here.

   It’s long past time that “Palestinian Solidarity Activists” gave serious thought as to how truly pro-Palestinian their actions *really* are.
7. @ndy says:

   March 11, 2008 at 3:33 am

   in the meantime…

   As long as there has been Zionism, there have been anti-Zionist Jews. Indeed, decades before it even came to the notice of non-Jews, anti-Zionism was a well-established Jewish ideology, and until the second world war commanded wide support in the diaspora. Today, as cracks show in the presumed monolith of Jewish backing for Israel, increasing numbers of Jews are interrogating and rejecting Zionism. Nonetheless, the existence of anti-Zionist Jews strikes many people – Jews and non-Jews – as an anomaly, a perversity, a violation of the first clause in Hillel’s ethical aphorism: “If I am not for myself, who will be for me?”

   Zionism is an ideology and a political movement. As such, it is open to rational dispute, and on a variety of grounds. Jews, like others, might well view the Jewish claim to Palestine as irrational, anachronistic, and intrinsically unjust to other inhabitants. They might consider the Jewish state to be discriminatory or racist in theory and in practice or might object, on political, philosophical, or even specifically Jewish grounds, to any state based on the supremacy of a particular religious or ethnic group. As Jews, they might reject the idea that Jewish people constitute a “nation”, or at least a “nation” of the type that can or should become a territorial nation-state. Or they might have concluded on the basis of an examination of Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians that the underlying cause of the conflict was the ideology of the Israeli state.

   Any or all of the above should be sufficient to explain why some Jews would become anti-Zionists. But that doesn’t stop critics from placing us firmly in the realm of the irredeemably neurotic. In their eyes, we remain walking self-contradictions, a menace to our fellow Jews… ~ Mike Marqusee

   The Middle East
   The Gaza Bombshell
   David Rose
   Vanity Fair
   April 2008

   After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, David Rose reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever.

   Anti-Zionist Jews…

   http://antonyloewenstein.com
   http://anarchia.wordpress.com/
   http://www.israelblog.org/index.html
   http://blog.dennisfox.net/
   http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/
   http://www.orthodoxanarchist.com/

   Anarchists Against the Wall : http://www.awalls.org/

   Electronic Intifada : http://electronicintifada.net/

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