- Update : See also Southern Cross Soldiers’ first casualty, December 12, 2008, on the police shooting of Tyler Cassidy, 15-year-old Southern Cross Soldier.
Crazy kids and their intarwebs!
The Southern Cross Soldiers (SCS) finally make it into the papers.
(See below.)
They’re just like real soldiers (only not quite as well paid).
“Friends, today was an historic day, the day Australians stood up against state-imposed multiculturalism,” Darrin Hodges wrote on the night of the Cronulla riots. Accompanying his posting is a series of photographs he took at Cronulla that day, including one of a T-shirt emblazoned with the words “wog free zone” and another of a sign offering free sausages to the crowd, with “no tabouli”. Darrin also speaks of footage he filmed on the day which [FightDemBack!] believes was used in a video released over the weekend that glorifies a mob of rioters bashing various non-whites at Cronulla.
In his article (Victorian police vow crackdown to stop ‘another Cronulla’) Liam makes reference to a Cronulla vid (Videos on [SCS] websites glorify the Cronulla riots to a neo-Nazi soundtrack promising “race war”), which is presumably a reference to the vid Australian Protectionist Party (APP) members Darrin Hodges and Martin Fletcher helped to produce and distribute on Stormfront in the riot’s immediate aftermath. Hodges & Co. maintain that the ‘riot’ was in fact a ‘White Civil Uprising’, an opening shot fired in a civil war in which their side seeks to return Australia to its natural status as a 100% White outpost in Asia. While Hodges & Co. are based in Sydney, at the same time, in Melbourne, another APP member, Luke Connors, in his then capacity as spokesperson for the now-defunct ‘Patriotik Yoof League’:
…predicted further outbreaks.
“‘When you have areas which are majority Muslim, because they don’t tend to adapt that well, or majority African or Middle Eastern extraction, and right next door you have an area which is 90 per cent Anglo-Saxon, or Anglo-Celtic, there is going to be friction,” he said.
“West Heidelberg is a big one because you have a very large black working-class community next to a white middle-working-class community. That would be my best guess actually if it was going to start up in Melbourne.
“Also, out past Springvale, along the train line, there is that same sort of segregation going on, in working-class areas where they are competing for the same jobs and there is a high unemployment rate.”
~ Ewin Hannan and Richard Baker, Nationalists boast of their role on the beach, The Age, December 13, 2005
In the meantime, the silly boys manly Aryan worriers of the APP are currently trying to arrange for BNP Fuhrer Nick Griffin to pop over for a cup of tea and a chat about strategies for making Australia a wog-free zone averting the demographic genocide that is threatening his Fatherland and the Mother Country (“caused by the large-scale immigration of people from the Third World”). As things stand, however, and especially given what appears to be widespread opposition on the part of VIPs, it appears that Gub’mint authorities are unlikely to approve Nick’s visa application.
Above: one of numerous racist images available on APP member Martin Fletcher’s webshite, ‘Downunder News Links’. The imgs were originally produced by the US-based neo-Nazi organisation ‘White Aryan Resistance’.
Earlier this year, spokesperson for the NSW APP, Darrin Hodges, described Third World immigrants as sub-human: “Australia was a beautiful place once, before it was flooded with third-world sewerage from African [sic] and Asia.” Adds, a Major-General in the Southern Cross Soldier Army, echoes this sentiment: “All these people that are coming over to our country that aren’t Aussies are trying to take it over,” Adds said.
Anyway, here’s an article about angry white teens.
Victorian police vow crackdown to stop ‘another Cronulla’
Sunday Herald Sun
Liam Houlihan
November 23, 2008POLICE will use roadblocks, mounted coast patrols and fines for swearing to protect Melbourne beaches from a Cronulla-style anti-immigrant gang.
The crackdown follows boasts by the 200-strong Melbourne chapter of the Southern Cross Soldiers, who admit having criminals and neo-Nazis in their ranks, that they will converge on bayside beaches this summer.
Police in bayside suburbs will implement Operation Beachsafe, which shares the name given to NSW police’s post-Cronulla riots crackdown.
Inspector Neil Patterson, of Moorabbin police, said: “There’s one group in particular that has indicated they intend to hold parties on beach locations.
“The message is if you’re coming to the beach areas . . . to drink or cause problems, we’re going to be there ready to target you.”
Melbourne SCS co-leader Adds said members included criminals and self-described neo-Nazi skinheads, and some had relatives in the Hell’s Angels.
“All these people that are coming over to our country that aren’t Aussies are trying to take it over,” Adds said.
“We’re just trying to put the word out that we don’t like it.”
The radical police plan to protect beaches from December to March includes:
ROADBLOCKS and car checks to stop troublemakers heading to the beach.
A ZERO-TOLERANCE blitz, including on-the-spot $130 fines for swearing on the beach, to stop trouble before it starts.
MOUNTED horse patrols in troublespots and undercover beach officers.
PHONING parents of drunk and violent youths to pick up their children from police stations.
POSSIBLE referral to the Department of Human Services if parents of young offenders cannot be contacted.
Masked soldiers in the posse call themselves “SCS defenders” and “SCS enforcers” and pose in front of patriotic paraphernalia wearing matching hoodies and wielding weapons including a machete, jemmy and spanner.
Videos on their websites glorify the Cronulla riots to a neo-Nazi soundtrack promising “race war”.
Insp Patterson said the police blitz aimed to keep beaches safe for families.
“If we can stop anti-social behaviour in its starting forms, then it won’t increase into forms of violence,” he said.
Southern Cross Soldiers – We are not a gang, hoodlums [‘u’ not ‘e’] or racist, just patriots. Out to set it straight. There is only one ethnicity in Australia, AUSTRALIAN. We are not racist, we want to unite this nation, not divide it.
scs member,
gang :
1) an organised group of criminals or disorderly young people
2) (informal) a group of people who regularly meet and do things together
In general usage, the term ‘gang’ has negative connotations — which you reject. Nevertheless, on the face of it, SCS does appear to be a ‘gang’. This is reinforced by the adoption of a uniform (colours).
“There is only one ethnicity in Australia, AUSTRALIAN.”
Not true. You’re confusing ‘ethnicity’ with ‘nationality’. To be Australian is to be of a particular nationality. Ethnicity refers to a person’s origin by birth rather than by present nationality. Thus the Australian nation consists of people of diverse ethnicities. I think it would be more correct to state that the members of SCS want to obliterate the notion of ethnicity. Thus:
“We are not racist, we want to unite this nation, not divide it.”
Leaving aside the question of whether or not this is a worthy endeavour, this claim would be more credible if SCS members were not all of White (principally Anglo-) descent. Further, in amongst images of Australian and Eureka flags, slogans (‘Australia : Love It Or Leave It’) and so on, http://www.myspace.com/scssoldiers also contains stills from the Cronulla riot. This places SCS in the context of the actions of racists who attacked dozens on the beach in December 2005.
The way I see it, there’s probably a diversity of attitudes towards race on the part of individuals who consider themselves to be SCS. One of the problems with Adam’s comments in the article above is the following: “members included criminals and self-described neo-Nazi skinheads, and some had relatives in the Hell’s Angels.”
Relatives in the Hell’s Angels? Fine. Whatever. Everyone’s got family — even bikies. ‘Criminals’ — apart from according with the more general definition of a ‘gang’ — doesn’t really concern me. People break the law. ‘neo-Nazi skinheads’, however, does concern me. If SCS are fair dinkum, they won’t tolerate the presence of neo-Nazis, whatever the length of their hair. I’m not a patriot, but I understand that many thousands of Australians died fighting the Nazi regime, and it’s a pretty poor way of paying tribute to their memory — if that’s what you want to do — by being chums with those who claim ideological descent from Nazism.
Further evidence of hatred for ‘lebs’.
From a Facebook account:
ethnicity |eθˈnisitē|
noun ( pl. -ties)
the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition.
According to you, “There is only one ethnicity in Australia, AUSTRALIAN”.
That would explain why you puerile morons have appropriated elements of American hip hop culture (including in your ridiculous theme song) to further your ’cause’. I guess Slim Dusty just doesn’t have enough street credibility.
Considering that Australian society is currently a multicultural society, being comprised of a diversity of coexisting ethnicities (as has always been the case, even before European invasion), to state that there is only ‘one ethnicity’ which you label ‘AUSTRALIAN’ is to call for the exclusion of other ethnic groups and to call for the ‘divi[sion]’ of society.
Furthermore, your mangled attempts at communicating in the English language as demonstrated by the endless grammar and spelling mistakes on your websites would tend to suggest that you are not particularly versed in the linguistic traditions of your supposed ethnic group anyway. It seems that you’re having a particularly hard time keeping up to your mantra of ‘This is Australia: We eat meat, drink beer and speak English’. But that shouldn’t surprise anyone. You probably couldn’t even pass one of Howard’s citizenship tests yourself.
I also find it quite humorous that you incorporate the Eureka flag into your symbology, and then state that you aim to ‘unite this nation’ and to ‘get rid of the immigrants and ethnics’. The miners at the Eureka stockade were marked by their especial ethnic diversity:
But then again, you probably wouldn’t be ready to come to terms with the incoherency of your stupid arguments. The way that you meatheads are acting is tantamount to the behaviour of immature primary school children. Your thinly-veiled racism isn’t fooling anybody.
The fact that one of your websites until recently contained a video glorifying the Cronulla disgrace to a soundtrack of Skrewdriver, and that another still contains a video excusing and attempting to justify such race riots would tend to suggest that your are in fact (or at least that you aspire to be) a violent anti-immigrant gang, and not a bunch of well-meaning ‘patriots’.
You’re all a fucking joke.
“When we have undermined the patriotic lie, we shall have cleared the path for the great structure where all shall be united into a universal brotherhood — a truly free society.” – Emma Goldman, 1908
A party to celebrate the Cronulla bullshit… and SCS is not racist?
Australia: Police report reveals real instigators of Cronulla race riots
Part 1
By Fergus Michaels
30 November 2006
Below we are publishing part one of a three-part series on the December 2005 race riots at Sydney’s Cronulla beach. Part 2 was published on December 1 and part 3 will be published on December 2.
A five-volume New South Wales police report released last month sheds light on the dangerous and reactionary forces that instigated, and were involved in, Sydney’s “Cronulla Riots” of December 11, 2005. On that day, approximately 5,000 people, mostly young, gathered on Cronulla beach, many draped in the Australian flag. They launched a nationalistic, alcohol- and drug-fuelled pogrom against anyone of Middle Eastern appearance, injuring more than 20 people, two of whom were stabbed.
Retaliatory attacks and violent clashes followed in some beach-side suburbs that evening and continued the next day. The state Labor government immediately invoked extraordinary police powers and “locked down” entire suburbs, placing them under a virtual state of police siege.
As the WSWS commented at the time, there was nothing spontaneous or accidental about the riots. A Socialist Equality Party statement pointed out that for an entire week, “right-wing radio and newspaper outlets whipped up a racialist campaign to ‘reclaim our beaches’ from ‘Lebanese gangs’”. The fomenting of anti-Muslim and anti-Arab sentiment was aimed at cutting directly across deepening opposition to the Iraq war, the Howard government’s industrial relations laws and declining working class living standards. The enormous class tensions and social unrest in Australian society were directed into a diseased and dangerous channel.
An examination of the report drawn up by retired NSW assistant police commissioner Norm Hazzard further confirms this analysis. The report investigates some of the factors that led to the riots, as well as the response of the NSW police. It also reveals some of the preparations that are now being made by police to suppress future social upheavals.
The release of the report
In the aftermath of the release of the report, media attention was focussed on calls for the state’s police minister, Carl Scully, to resign. Scully initially denied knowledge of the document’s contents in the NSW parliament. It subsequently emerged that Hazzard had personally briefed Scully on the contents in September, and that copies had already been leaked to some NSW police officers.
The immediate response of NSW premier Morris Iemma was to defend Scully, claiming “it’s indisputable he wasn’t trying to be dishonest or mislead”.
After repeated accusations from the opposition Liberal Party that the Labor government was covering up the report, Scully further obfuscated, claiming it was only a “draft”, and then that it was not “final”. Hazzard told the Sydney Morning Herald this was another lie. Finally, Iemma ordered the report’s release, and Scully was sacked.
The furore over Scully’s blatant deception and eventual resignation constituted a massive diversion from the report itself. The entire matter has since been dropped in the press. To this day, the media has barely mentioned the contents, and no copy is publicly available online.
So what does the report say, and why did it claim the scalp of a police minister?
The initial altercation at Cronulla beach
On December 4, 2005 a relatively unexceptional altercation occurred on Cronulla beach involving a group of young men of Middle Eastern appearance and some lifeguards. A verbal exchange took place in which one of the Middle Eastern men responded to accusations that he was “staring” at a lifesaver by saying, “I’m allowed to, now f**k off and leave our beach”. The lifesaver responded with, “I come down here out of my own spare time to save you dumb c**ts from drowning, now piss off you scum.” A fight ensued, in which one of the lifesavers was badly hurt.
The incident became the launching pad for a hysterical campaign, primarily on talk-back radio, over the next week. As the Hazzard report notes, it was “described as being an attack on an Australian institution” in which “life savers were … heroes and likened to Anzacs.”
The radio reports of the event were outright fabrications. They described an unprovoked assault, with Middle Eastern “reinforcements” called to the beach by mobile phone, after which the enlarged group punched and kicked the lifesavers unconscious, and then fled.
None of this actually happened. The Hazzard report finds “evidence of provocation from both sides”. Furthermore, “mobile telephones were not used to call in reinforcements” and “the Middle Eastern group did not increase in number from those who were in the immediate vicinity at the time”.
Talkback radio’s role in instigating the riots
Volume 4, Item 3 of the Hazzard report, entitled, “2GB Broadcast Synopsis: 4th December 2005 to 9th December 2005: Alan Jones, Ray Hadley, Jason Morrison,” devotes 108 pages to broadcasts from Sydney radio station 2GB in the lead up to the Cronulla riots. Whilst not “strictly verbatim”, it is a “verified and accurate” record.
On these radio programs, listeners call in, correspondents read out letters, and the hosts constantly volunteer their opinions and interpretations of events and issues.
Alan Jones is one of Australia’s most promoted personalities, and enjoys the closest of relationships with Prime Minister John Howard, as well as with the Labor government in NSW. He is a former speechwriter for the Liberal Party, and a recipient of the Order of Australia.
It is impossible to reproduce the volume of filth and backwardness spewed forth by these radio commentators and their talk show guests in the space available for this article. But to give a sense of the racialist climate they created at the time, it is crucial to revisit at least some of what they said.
Day after day, hysterical exchanges such as the following occurred on morning radio:
Caller: “What kind of grubs do we have here?”
(Alan) Jones: “What kind of grubs? This lot were Middle Eastern, we’re not allowed to say it, but I am saying it.”
The following “correspondence” was read on air by Jones:
* “Unfortunately this happens regularly at Cronulla—gangs of Lebanese youth just swarm over the beach, stealing from and assaulting beach goers; they pick on the youngest.”
* “Alan it’s not just a few Middle Eastern bastards at the weekend, it’s thousands. Cronulla is a very long beach and it’s been taken over by this scum; it’s not a few causing problems, it’s all of them.”
* “Police are too afraid to act … if we were allowed to act the way we want to, we could solve a lot of problems … these Middle Eastern people must be treated with a big stick—it’s the only thing they fear.”
Jones openly advocated and encouraged violent reprisals and vigilante behaviour against young men of Middle Eastern appearance.
For instance a caller, John, said: “These people, half of them may be home grown; they have infected minds; they don’t live the Australian way … if the police can’t do the job the next tier is to us.” Jones replied: “Yeah, good on ya, John.” When John said: “Shoot one, the rest will run … when you’re outnumbered 20 to 1 you don’t put your hand up and play by Queensbury rules,” Jones replied with laughter and added: “You don’t play by Queensbury rules; good on ya, John.”
Ray Hadley, another “shock-jock” on 2GB, unleashed equally disgusting comments, and also incited violence. Asked whether surf lifesavers should allow people of Middle Eastern appearance to drown when in distress in the water, Hadley commented: “That’s good because there is one less to bash them [the lifesavers]. I don’t care, I’m sick of it; I’m not in the mood today to pander to minorities.” He continued: “It’s about time we reclaimed our beaches.”
Hadley also commented:
* “At the moment we have a core of young people who will not accept; they are Australians, but won’t accept our way of life and we need to do something about it.”
* “We have been too easy … and we need to get tough.”
Jason Morrison, filling in for Hadley, endorsed an email from a listener who claimed: “We are experiencing circumstances that have caused leaders of other countries through history to declare war on people not assimilating in their country.”
These hosts endeavoured to create the impression of a city and a society under siege by dangerous, distinctly “un-Australian” and barely human elements who needed to be swiftly and violently crushed.
On one occasion, Jones wailed: “We’ve got the pack mentality, we’ve got the Lebanese gangs and the disrespect; you’ve got the mind numbing rap music. They’ve got the weapons and the knives, and like the US, the gangs are drawn along ethnic lines.”
He also said:
* “Here are people hunting with gangs, hunting with knives, randomly threatening people’s lives.”
* “This is suburban this stuff and these people only know one thing: they hate us and they’re going to take over.”
With one caller, Yvonne, Jones claimed: “There is a standard that has to apply and you don’t meet that standard you should be rounded up.” She replied: “And if we don’t have enough police, what’s wrong with getting the army in?… [G]ive these blokes a bit of rifle butt in the face and they’ll back off; they’re cowards.” Jones replied: “If it gets to that we might have to do that, do you follow what I am saying?”
Jones repeatedly read out an alleged text message sent out by local “youngsters” in the Cronulla area encouraging others to go to the beach on the following Sunday, “to support Leb and Wog bashing day”.
On another occasion, Jones called for, “A rally, a street march, call it what you will. A community show of force.”
It did not take long to prove that these considerable efforts were not in vain.
Referring directly to the role of the shock-jocks, the Hazzard report states, “comment made by the broader community relating to the incidents was at times racist, exaggerated, inaccurate and advocated vigilante behaviour.”
But in the aftermath of the riots—unprecedented in Australian history—no official investigation was launched into their causes. Media attention continued to focus exclusively on how many Middle Eastern youth had or had not been rounded up, and the need for a massive police presence throughout the summer on Sydney’s beaches.
The only explanation for Scully’s behaviour was that he, too, was trying to protect the culprits. Adam Walters drew the conclusion in an article on ninemsn.com.au that Scully’s actions were, indeed, aimed at suppressing the police report in order to protect Jones. Apparently, on September 19, when Hazzard initially briefed the police minister on the report, Scully questioned him as to whether the role of the media fell under its terms of reference.
According to Walters, Hazzard’s notes of the meeting reveal that the police minister’s only concerns “related to the criticism of Alan Jones and other influential media commentators”. It appears that the primary motivation of the state Labor government was to avoid, at all costs, a falling out with the highly influential Jones so close to the March 2007 state election.
It is quite clear that these unintelligible fools are a pack of racist scumbags.
To quote from some of the material posted on the MySpace page (lovingly adorned with images of Cronulla Riot violence and Australian flags) of ‘ASH’ of Boronia, a self-proclaimed ‘S.C.S ENFORCER’, fan of Muay Thai, lover of books containing ‘murder, rape, tourture [sic] and serial killers’:
“SPECIAL THANKS TO CRONULLA BOYS AND GIRLS
FUCK YOU TO THE GREASY WOG CUNTS YOU DESERVED IT
AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE OI OI OI”
And…
“We Grew Here…
You Flew Here…
Don’t Like It…
Fuck Off!!!”
Clearly these loving words could only come from a fair-dinkum, 100% non-racist, all-round top bloke.
What an upstanding citizen.
He is not part of a gang, or a hoodlum or racist, just patriotic. Out to set it straight. There is only one ethnicity in Australia, AUSTRALIAN. He is not racist, he just wants to unite this nation, not divide it. (And smash greasy wog cunts.)
I looked at the website, from what i can tell its just a bunch of internet gangsta’s. Most of them are adolescent or close to it.
Let the little boys act big, who are they hurting? It’s just bullshit thats been drummed into them by the media.
In no way shape or form do i support any racism, but i admire those who can let their voices be heard. Much like i admire Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela. Its called free speech, if we were to say, outlaw racism and any thought of it would be synonymous to totalitarialism and oppression. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, you must confer that no matter how personally revulsed you may be by their sentiments.
They merely represent the common problem with modern western society. The inability to think past their television screens.
Now whilst they certainly behave like a gang in most facets of the word. I highly doubt any of them actually do anything they talk about. I suppose they think it makes them cool, or will get them all the girls. But it wont.
Its the internet ladies and gentlemen, nothing here is taken seriously.
Wow, its funny to see you all sitting behind your keyboards labeling us internet gangsters and the like when you have no idea who any of us are.
The write up was a load of bullshit, your all stupid enough to believe it, especially you wizardofoz who quoted “It’s just bullshit thats been drummed into them by the media.”
Funny thing is, your all sitting on here debating the SCS without any real knowledge of what we are really about, sure you scoped out some myspace pages with a couple of the lads that have
We Grew Here…
You Flew Here…
Don’t Like It…
Fuck Off!!!”
And the likes, but did you bother to go threw the 600 members on the myspace and check them out, 95% are just proud to be Australian. Pity you think that were all racist huh? Why single out the selected few who have a racest comment here or there on there myspace?
The whole article was a spun-up bullshit story to make some no-name journo try and make a name for himself, and hey, if he wants to do that, then thats his choice.
But yous are truely pathetic for believing any word of it. So in short get off your high-horses and talking trash about SCS when you have no idea who we are or what were about.
Hey melbourne SCS leader
I don’t understand what makes a bunch of cartographical lines on a map so appealing to people, but you guys are equally as hilarious if not ridiculous as the national anarchists. If you guys enjoy your uniformity and paramilitary ego trips, be sure to wear one of those hoodies around town, that way it will be easier for the antifa to spot you and beat the crap out of you for being a bunch of brain dead morons. We’re watching you… and you’ve made it all too easy 😛
PS. We know exactly who you are: middle class white boys with too much testosterone and not enough brain cells who think a draft is a type of beer and live off mummy and daddy’s paychecks whilst you go off partying every night hoping to score as many “roots” as possible.
Sounds like a cult of racist Corey Worthingtons minus the glasses.
G’day S.C.S Melb Leader,
Actually, I don’t sit behind a keyboard: I type while doing a handstand.
Pretty tough eh?
SOUTHERN CROSS SOLDIERS has 1353 friends. S.C.S Melb (Meeting on the 6th of Dec) has 677 friends.
That’s a lot of friends.
I don’t have the time, the energy, or the inclination to trawl through that many pages. But what I have found I’ve noted.
The relevant points:
Insofar as Adds — who appears to be a senior figure — is typical of the attitudes of SCS, this indicates a certain degree of racist hostility (to put it mildly).
The article in question also notes that ‘Videos on their websites glorify the Cronulla riots to a neo-Nazi soundtrack promising “race war”.’
Are you denying this?
The SCS theme song — which is included on most if not all SCS myspace pages — has an accompanying video, composed of stills. These appear to condone the racial violence at Cronulla (December 2005).
A few further examples.
GET YOUR ‘SLUT’ ON !!! left the following comment on the NSW chapter page:
CROFTY (Good Times) Y.E.W describes his interests as follows:
In Melbourne, ASH (S.C.S ENFORCER) makes it pretty clear that he supports the White Civil Uprising (as various neo-Nazis described it) at Cronulla. In fact, hostility to Lebanese-Australians (in particular) seems to be fairly uniform.
Let me put it another way: how many SCS members take note of the positive contribution people of Lebanese or other Middle Eastern descent have made to Australian society? Is this even considered possible?
So…
“…did you bother to go threw the 600 members on the myspace and check them out, 95% are just proud to be Australian. Pity you think that were all racist huh? Why single out the selected few who have a racest comment here or there on there myspace?”
No, I haven’t gone through 600 profiles, just the main chapters, and a few who appear on the front page as Friends. Here’s my impression: most members (and supporters) are:
a) young (teenagers and twenty-somethings);
b) white;
c) Australian;
d) obsessed with demonstrating their patriotism.
In and of themselves, these traits are fairly unremarkable: there’s literally millions of young White Australians, and many of them like to fly the flag. What appears to be distinctive about SCS is that it’s a fairly recent development, and its creation appears to have been triggered, in large part, by the events at Cronulla in December 2005. In other words, on the basis of racist antagonism towards Australians of Middle Eastern descent. Further, this hostile attitude is justified in terms of what is understood to be a lack of respect for, if not open contempt of, (White) Australia, its culture and traditions, on the part of this segment of the population.
Finally, being a member of or associated with SCS obviously involves the expression of patriotic feeling but, equally obviously, it’s about more than just this. Thus while there are many people who would describe themselves as ‘proud to be Australian’, only a tiny fraction of these feel compelled to express it via SCS. What SCS most closely approximates is a youth gang. I’ve already explained why I think this, but having looked over a few more member’s profiles since then, I can also add that there’s a preoccupation on the part of many with retributive forms of violence. That is, the defence of ‘Australia’ through the violent targeting of members of ethnic minorities — principally Lebanese — as a self-defence mechanism. This violence is celebrated as worthy and justified.
Cheers and beers,
Andy.
PS.
You asked:
“Pity you think that were all racist huh? Why single out the selected few who have a racest comment here or there on there myspace?”
You must have missed this:
“The way I see it, there’s probably a diversity of attitudes towards race on the part of individuals who consider themselves to be SCS.”
Kadet:
“We know exactly who you are: middle class white boys with too much testosterone and not enough brain cells who think a draft is a type of beer and live off mummy and daddy’s paychecks whilst you go off partying every night hoping to score as many “roots” as possible.”
Thats pretty racist and stereotypical in itself.
@ndy – The pro-Cronulla riot videos released onto youtube then added to our myspace had more than just racism about them, they showed a whole army of my fellow countrymen and women standing up for themselves, for something they believe in, and most importantly standing up for there country.
They were not put there to glorify the cronulla riots in any way, just merely a well compiled video of plenty of aussies and australian flags, that really caught my eye and made me feel good 😀
Also, about your impressions:
a) so what if the age is young? whats age got to do with anything.
b) we add maybe 1/4 of our friends to the myspace, and majority are females, i’ve personally tried to add non-white “australians” but funny enough the requests have been rejected.
c) of course there going to be australian, are you fucking retarded? This is an proud to be australian myspace after all? Why would we want to add anybody else – fool
d) and as far as i know there is nothing wrong about being obsessed with demonstrating our patriotism, is there?
@ndy mate, also, you wrote
“What appears to be distinctive about SCS is that it’s a fairly recent development, and its creation appears to have been triggered, in large part, by the events at Cronulla in December 2005”
The SCS would have been created even if the cronulla riots never took place, since i was born i have been proud to be australian, just like many others, and what better way to be proud australian than to share my thoughts and views with every other proud aussie out there that wants to add us to there myspace 🙂
Im guna take a punt here, and say your either not a white-australian, or your really old. Because i can safely say, that growing up in my area, i have been targeted for no particular reason other than “being australian”. Its things like this that really test your patience growing up, and you and your friends/family can only tolerate so much before you get real pissed off and want to do something about it, so you see all this hostility and your asking yourself why? Its because how else do you expect people to react after being targeted so long and so much for the simple fact your australian, im not trying to applaud the violence of white-australian onto lebanese or non-white australians, im just trying to share some light why so of the boys may have slogans on there myspaces like
“Drinking,Racing,Burnouts,Boobs,the occasional brawl,moto ridin,4wd,and abit of leb bashing”
Kadet – your nothing but a lefty, i don’t see any point of threatening people you know nothing about, so your not even worth argueing to. We are no cult or Corey Worthingtons, just proud aussies. Catch
what he means by there is only 1 ethnicity in aus is that we are all australian if u live in aus it dosent matter where ur from ur still aussie and should be proud to be
Racist mindless thugs? HA! You’ve got to be kidding. I’m going into my final year of Grad-Entry Law next year and I’d hardly call myself racist let alone mindless. Sure we have a few younger members and some of the boys have said some stuff which I don’t necessarily agree with, but at the end of the day we are a group (not a gang) of men and women who are proud to call Australia home. Running to your dictionaries to try and label us as something we are not is pathetic. At the end of the day it’s all subjective – we know that and you know that.
You’re entitled to your opinions because that’s your right living in a free and democratic country. We are also entitled to ours. We aren’t flaming you for your ideals, political preferences and the like. We are seeking to harmonise the schism that is prevalent in today’s modern society. What’s wrong with being a nationalist? Why are you opposed to it? Are you not proud of the place you call home? We as citizens of a young nation, need to start developing a social, moral and political psyche that projects an image to the world that we are proud of our country. If you call that racist then I’m the Pope.
It takes a lot of courage for the likes of those opposed to the SCS to sit back and proffer their views after reading an unsubstantiated and poorly sought [thought?] out article. It doesn’t fathom [?] me if you’re left, right or whatnot, at the end of the day we are trying to unite people together – we’re trying to bridge the divide between ‘us’ and ‘them’. It saddens me to use terms like ‘us’ and ‘them’, but unfortunately that is how it has become today.
Have those here who’ve posted against the SCS, seen the websites of those of ‘ethic’ origin paying out on Australia? Have you had a crack at them for what they are saying? Or is it simply easier for you to have a dig at us because you take what the Herald Sun says as Gospel? Hmmmm food for thought.
I’m a proud Australian and always will be. If the SCS isn’t your thing then so be it. Adding fuel to the fire isn’t going to get you anywhere. It shows a heightened sense of immaturity and a deep seeded [seated?] lack of common sense.
S.C.S Melb Leader,
There’s lots of vids about the Cronulla riot on YouTube… You mean vids like this (the backing track is by local neo-Nazi band Fortress)?
What, exactly, do you think happened on December 11, 2005? Here’s one summary:
“On that day, approximately 5,000 people, mostly young, gathered on Cronulla beach, many draped in the Australian flag. They launched a nationalistic, alcohol- and drug-fuelled pogrom against anyone of Middle Eastern appearance, injuring more than 20 people, two of whom were stabbed.”
What, exactly, is there to celebrate about this? Are you aware that the car seen driving away in the above footage contained two students from Bangladesh? Read Liz Jackson’s report:
Again: what’s there to celebrate about the Cronulla riot?
And I don’t accept for a moment that the Cronulla vids were chosen simply because they’ve got imgs of Aussie flags… that’s bullshit (and I think you know it). If you wanted patriotic vids, there’s others you can choose from. Here’s a few suggestions:
Alternatively, have you thought about stopping having a whinge or a sook about Lebs and hardening the fuck up?
Hahaha mate that is the most biast load of bullshit i have ever seen LOL.
why not post up the whole report from Liz, but nah you decided to leave out the rest and just post the some-what racist bits, your pathetic Andy.
And who are you to question me why i put up the videos? Its a free country (so far) so i can put up whatever videos wherever i want.
Personally i couldnt give 2 shits about whether or not you believe me, but keep ranting on about how racist i am because i like a video portraying proud aussies and aussie flags, if it makes you feel so special.
I don’t care any more.
And wheres the rest of your retalliation to my other comments? I replied to some of yours the least you could do was reply to some of mine, unless you have nothing to say because you were found out to be more stupid than you like to think you are? 🙂
sincere apologies @ndy. i’m sorry i don’t have the luxury of being able to edit my posts and put fancy italics in. perhaps giving people who post on here that option would be something you could implement?
honestly, is that the best you could come up with? picking up on a few grammatical errors? lol. you really need to go out and get some fresh air. you’ll end up having a stroke if you’re not careful old chap.
Gazza and S.C.S Melb Leader,
My replies are posted when I find the time to compose them. Simply because I don’t respond immediately or in full doesn’t mean I won’t.
More later tonight.
andy: i look forward to it. you’re an intelligent fellow but at the end of the day you’re still a twit. see it isn’t nice labelling people is it? didn’t they teach you that in your sociology classes whilst you undertook an arts degree? haha.
S.C.S Melb Leader,
Last things first.
why not post up the whole report from Liz…
For very obvious reasons:
1) The quote illustrated my point.
2) The transcript is very long.
3) Anyone who wanted to could click on the link and read the whole thing themselves. (It’s this whole new thing called the Intertubes. It’s amaaazing!)
but nah you decided to leave out the rest and just post the some-what racist bits, your pathetic Andy.
“Some-what racist bits”: ooh, that’s good. I’ll pay that.
And who are you to question me why i put up the videos? Its a free country (so far) so i can put up whatever videos wherever i want.
My name’s Andy.
You’re free to post videos (or not), comment on my blog (or not), and/or even try and stick your foot up your arse (if you want).
You’ve commented on my blog, and I’ve responded. Part of this response has consisted of me asking why you celebrate the Cronulla riot. In this context, I made the very — very — obvious point that it’s possible to express patriotic feeling without extolling the virtues of the Cronulla riot. Millions of Australians, in fact, do exactly that — and regularly. Rather than justify your choice, you’ve decided to wail about ‘free speech’.
That is not a mature or a serious response.
I suspect that this may be because you’re neither mature nor serious.
Personally i couldnt give 2 shits about whether or not you believe me, but keep ranting on about how racist i am because i like a video portraying proud aussies and aussie flags, if it makes you feel so special.
Again, this is an infantile response to some perfectly reasonable questions: questions which you are patently incapable of answering. I haven’t ranted at you: you’re projecting.
If this is leadership, SCS is an army with a fool for a general.
And wheres the rest of your retalliation to my other comments? I replied to some of yours the least you could do was reply to some of mine, unless you have nothing to say because you were found out to be more stupid than you like to think you are?
I’ve taken considerable time and effort to reply to you.
I’ve explained to you that I don’t have the time, the energy or the inclination to trawl “threw” hundreds of myspace profiles. Instead, I’ve simply reiterated the sentiments expressed by Adds; examined the contents of some of the central SCS pages and those of some of the more prominent members of the group; posted what I’ve discovered and tried to explain how this evidence has shaped my thinking on the subject of SCS. As a result, I dispute your claim that SCS is simply expressing ‘patriotic feeling’, and argued that the kind of patriotic feeling typically, if not invariably, being expressed by SCS is racialist and xenophobic. Members regularly express varying degrees of hostility to racial and ethnic others, especially those of Lebanese descent, and the bulk of thinking on the subject of the nation is reduced to simplistic sloganeering (‘Australia: Love It Or Fuck Off’) and adolescent posturing. That this is regularly performed in the name of some rather lame interpretation of the ANZAC tradition is just plain pathetic, in my opinion. And despite making extremely loud proclamations of faith in the Australian people and nation, there’s bugger-all understanding of the country’s history or traditions.
On “impressions”:
a) so what if the age is young? whats age got to do with anything.
That the membership of SCS is very young does not, in and of itself, mean that SCS is ‘bad’ or ‘wrong’. This helps to explain why I’ve never claimed otherwise. Rather, it’s a question of understanding 1) what SCS is (what kinds of people support it and form its membership) and 2) why simplistic appeals to ‘Australian-ness’ find particular resonance among young people, and why it is expressed in this fashion and at this time. In this context, I think the issue is, in part, the role of nationalism in the formation of young people’s identities.
b) we add maybe 1/4 of our friends to the myspace, and majority are females, i’ve personally tried to add non-white “australians” but funny enough the requests have been rejected.
I’m not sure what the first part of your statement means, but I think the reasons why non-White Australians may not wish to be members of SCS is obvious.
c) of course there going to be australian, are you fucking retarded? This is an proud to be australian myspace after all? Why would we want to add anybody else – fool
You really do sound like a wounded teenager.
Whatever.
I could try to explain why your logic is circular, or why taking note of the characteristics of a group to then compare these to the group’s self-definition is standard practice when making any kind of analysis, but I’m guessing there’s little point.
As for ‘fool’… pffft. I know you are — but am I?
😉
d) and as far as i know there is nothing wrong about being obsessed with demonstrating our patriotism, is there?
Er… only someone capable of subjecting their beliefs to some kinda critical scrutiny would be capable of answering that question and I’m guessing — again — that you’re really not the type.
The SCS would have been created even if the cronulla riots never took place, since i was born i have been proud to be australian, just like many others, and what better way to be proud australian than to share my thoughts and views with every other proud aussie out there that wants to add us to there myspace
I’ve no idea if SCS would have been created in the absence of something like the Cronulla events. I know you don’t like the word, but gangs of one sort or another have been around for many years, and youth gangs (of one sort or another) will in all likelihood continue to be around for some time to come. The reasons for this you’re only likely to understand to the extent that you can do some serious research. Given that understanding anything is not your first priority, this may not occur for quite a long time.
That said: being born Australian is exactly like being born an Abkhazian, Afghani, Albanian, Algerian, Andorran, Angolan, Argentinian, Armenian, Austrian or Azerbaijani:
An accident.
This may come as something of a shock to you but — nobody chooses when or to whom they’re born. One moment you’re lolling about in some warm liquid, and the next: “waaah!”
So go ahead: be proud.
(You might also like to consider being proud of your achievements, should you have any other than being the leader of a yoof gang.)
Im guna take a punt here, and say your either not a white-australian, or your really old.
The boundary umpire has indicated that the ball has gone out on the full and that I’ve been awarded a free kick.
Because i can safely say, that growing up in my area, i have been targeted for no particular reason other than “being australian”. Its things like this that really test your patience growing up, and you and your friends/family can only tolerate so much before you get real pissed off and want to do something about it, so you see all this hostility and your asking yourself why? Its because how else do you expect people to react after being targeted so long and so much for the simple fact your australian, im not trying to applaud the violence of white-australian onto lebanese or non-white australians, im just trying to share some light why so of the boys may have slogans on there myspaces like…
Right. So: while growing up, you were subjected to racist abuse? OK. That sux, obviously. But it’s the experience of many, from all different sorts of backgrounds. The real question, as you put it, is: how to respond?
Generally speaking, in such circumstances, I conclude that the speaker is probably a bit of an idiot and/or has a chip on their shoulder. Either way, it’s their problem. I’ve also come to the conclusion that dickheads come in all shapes, sizes and colours, but that just because a dickhead is of a particular shape, size or colour, that doesn’t mean that all people of that shape, size or colour are also dickheads.
Pretty elementary stuff.
Your experiences are common, and do not ‘explain’ why one racist psychotic enjoys ‘a bit of Leb bashing’, any more than it explains why others choose other targets for their anger. Cronulla is a case in point. Wtf were the 20 or so people bashed on December 11 guilty of? As far as I can tell, walking around in brown skin. Certainly, none of them had bashed a surf lifesaver. If you condemn the actions of the gangs of Middle-Eastern yoof who assaulted others that night, you must also, by the same logic, condemn the actions of the hundreds who bravely attacked people on the beach that day.
So, in my opinion, the reason you and many others celebrate ‘Cronulla’ has very little to do with ‘love of country’, and quite a lot to do with gaining a vicarious thrill at subjecting racialised others to abuse, humiliation and violence. Wrap it in the flag if you like — hey! it’s a fee country! — but I think it’s bullshit.
PS. Harden the fuck up.
@ndy – get a life LOL
fuck cant believe i just read all that LMFAO
fun times mate fun times, enjoy your self-rightous non-racist life
Crazy kids and their intarwebs!
you’re an intelligent fellow but at the end of the day you’re still a twit. see it isn’t nice labelling people is it? didn’t they teach you that in your sociology classes whilst you undertook an arts degree? haha.
Ouchies! Chris Crocker responds (for ‘Britney’ read ‘Andy’):
Congratulations on having almost completed a law degree.
Running to your dictionaries to try and label us as something we are not is pathetic. At the end of the day it’s all subjective – we know that and you know that.
Nonsense. I jog to my dictionaries.
On subjectivity: yeah, so you say.
You’re entitled to your opinions because that’s your right living in a free and democratic country. We are also entitled to ours.
Doing a double major in philosophy I see.
We aren’t flaming you for your ideals, political preferences and the like.
Um, quite. This may help to explain why I’ve never claimed otherwise.
We are seeking to harmonise the schism that is prevalent in today’s modern society.
That’s the problem. If you were seeking to harmonise the schism that was prevalent in yesterday’s modern society we’d have no quarrel.
What’s wrong with being a nationalist?
It’s stoopid?
Why are you opposed to it?
Because I’m not stoopid?
Are you not proud of the place you call home?
No. (It’s a rental and the roof leaks.)
We as citizens of a young nation, need to start developing a social, moral and political psyche that projects an image to the world that we are proud of our country.
Can you translate that into English for me?
If you call that racist then I’m the Pope.
And if your aunty had balls she’d be your uncle.
It takes a lot of courage for the likes of those opposed to the SCS to sit back and proffer their views after reading an unsubstantiated and poorly sought [thought?] out article.
Are you being sarcastic?
It doesn’t fathom [?] me if you’re left, right or whatnot, at the end of the day we are trying to unite people together – we’re trying to bridge the divide between ‘us’ and ‘them’. It saddens me to use terms like ‘us’ and ‘them’, but unfortunately that is how it has become today.
Again: speakee English!
Have those here who’ve posted against the SCS, seen the websites of those of ‘ethic’ origin paying out on Australia?
Oh, I’ve been to Georgia and California and anywhere I could run
I took the hand of a preacher man and we made love in the sun
But I ran out of places and friendly faces because I had to be free
I’ve been to paradise but I’ve never been to me
Oh, I’ve been to Nice and the Isle of Greece while I’ve sipped champagne on a yacht
I’ve moved like Harlow in Monte Carlo and showed ’em what I’ve got
I’ve been undressed by kings and I’ve seen some things that a woman ain’t supposed to see
I’ve been to paradise, but I’ve never been to me
Have you had a crack at them for what they are saying?
Have you heard? The coast of Maine just got caught in a hurricane?
Well, did you ever? What a swell party this is!
Have you heard that poor dear Blanche got run down by an avalanche?
Well, did you ever? What a swell party this is!
What daiquiris! What sherry, please! What burgundy! What pommery!
Have you heard? Professor Munch ate his wife and divorced his lunch?
Well, did you ever? What a swell party this is!
Missus Smith in her new Hup crossed the bridge when the bridge was up?
Well, did you ever? What a swell party this is!
What brandy, wow! What whiskey, here’s how!
What gin and what beer, will you sober up, dear?
Or is it simply easier for you to have a dig at us because you take what the Herald Sun says as Gospel? Hmmmm food for thought.
Hmmmm I prefer a falafel (for starters).
I’m a proud Australian and always will be. If the SCS isn’t your thing then so be it. Adding fuel to the fire isn’t going to get you anywhere. It shows a heightened sense of immaturity and a deep seeded [seated?] lack of common sense.
Here endeth the lesson.
Btw, SCS stars in a major new motion picture:
hahaha. thanks for providing me with my first laugh for the day. you’re a joke. do something constructive with your life rather than advocating for anarchy. what’s next? you’ll be stating that what the g20 protesters did to the police was a good thing? do me a favour, wash your hair with olive oil and go and worship the rainbow warrior you bloody hippie.
yes, i’m still laughing.
Hello, the wizard back again!
I would just like to say you’re all fuckwits.
Internet fights are possibly the most pathetic part of human nature. You need to realise that you can only change a person’s point of view face to face, with real facts and good arguments.
Arguing over a youtube video achieves nothing. Everyone who has argued on this page needs to be put to death.
Grow some balls ladies and gents, if you like arguing so much join the debating team at your primary school.
Thankyou, wizard out.
PS. I would like to add that internet blogging requires a great deal of stupidity also. The very idea that you are unique and everyone wants to listen to your moronic rants is laughable at best. Like I have outlined before, nobody actually gives a shit what happens on the internet. The media is just peddling stereotypes and prejudice.
So far Gazza is a lawyer who loves cops, gets bashed and has one of those mini Australian flags on his car, harden the fuck up mate!!
Funny stuff.
John, first: It’s not racist to point out white male privilege especially if you are white (which i am).
Second: Can i ask why you love Australia so much? Explain what’s so good about it?
I agree that the flora and fauna of Australia is indeed beautiful as is the environment of a number of different countries but surely that’s not the basis of your patriotism (if anything it would probably make you the hippie you so despise). Seems to me your embedded patriotism comes from a mixture of sports fanaticism, racist upbringing and US gangster culture (ironically enough). What I don’t understand is your support for the military and the state which is the most ironic thing because the state is the very institution which sends “Aussie” soldiers off to die and those stupid enough to join it can’t even see that. How about you ask an indigenous Australian if they’re proud to be an Aussie. I bet you’ll find that none will agree with your nationalist tendencies or your definition of what it is to be a “proud Australian”.
“you’ll be stating that what the g20 protesters did to the police was a good thing?”
To make such a statement without being informed of the facts is complete stupidity.
You’re right, what the protesters did was a good thing, they fought police repression, the police are the guard dogs of the rich. Get it through your fucking skulls: the government doesn’t give a shit about you and there’s no reason why you should support it when it serves only to oppress. In regards to being a lefty, better than being a brain dead racist bourgeois pig.
Actually, Kadet, it is racist to classify any people by the colour of their skin.
Doesn’t matter what colour you are.
I like your hypocracy. You should write articles for the herald sun.
Cheers!
Actually, ‘wizardofoz’, it is racist to [grant] a person certain unearned privileges, to disadvantage them or to makes assumptions about their character based on the colour of their skin or some other irrelevant characteristic. It is not racist to recognise that white privilege does exist in this society – it is simply a statement of fact. To deny the existence of racism, institutional or otherwise, whilst racism clearly continues to exist is a racist action in itself.
The point was simply made that most, if not all of the members of SCS are white, and therefore, as the characteristic of whiteness is assigned privilege in contemporary Australian society, the sentiments of SCS are reactionary and racist.
To acknowledge the existence of racism is not to be racist. It is quite clear that although race as a biological concept has been debunked, racism still continues to exist.
But with that said, you’re a fucking moron, so you probably won’t understand the difference.
Furthermore, if nobody gave a shit about the content of this blog as you contend, 1) you wouldn’t be posting on it and 2) it would not receive the many thousands of hits and comments that it continues to.
And ‘Gazza’, as far as the actions of the small minority of protesters violently confronting the cops at the G20 convergence – I think there should be more of it, although a lot of thought and consideration does need to happen in regard to which tactics are most appropriate in the context of the absence of a mass anti-capitalist movement in Oceania.
That said, maybe you should take the time to analyse the real reasons why the police force exists. Maybe you should take the time to question why we need armed defenders of the state and the status quo patrolling our streets in military vehicles and bashing civilians when they choose to voice their opposition to such an oppressive system. I think you will find it has a lot more to do with protecting power and profits than with upholding the law and fighting ‘crime’.
But then again, thinking doesn’t appear to be your strong point.
And ‘aussie boy’, again you are getting confused between the concepts of nationality and ethnicity. If you live in Australia, then your legal nationality is most likely (unless you have dual-citizenship or some other arrangement) Australian. Living in Australia does not mean you are by definition part of one particular ethnic group. Australian is a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural society.
As for being proud of the fact that you live within the confines of some arbitrary border inscribed on a map by some colonialist, that doesn’t make too much sense. Most Australians didn’t even choose to live here. They were just born here by pure chance, as has been noted.
As for me, I’m not particularly proud of the fact that I live here. Why should I be? If it means being associated with some of the dickheads who have been commenting on this blog, then it’s nothing to be proud of.
Find something real to believe in.
WizardofOz: You’re a moron that sounds like you’re auditioning for the local chapter of the KKK. If you really think that straight Caucasian males don’t have a monopoly over the global institutions of power then you’re an idiot. Let’s use an example close to home: How many Australian politicians do you know that are indigenous? Yeah precisely…
Uni twat (though evidently you don’t sound like one): here here! My thoughts exactly.
— In solidarity…
Ahhh, unitwat. It’s so clear now. Thankyou.
There are no poor white people. All white people with wealth are racist!
I have just had a moment of clarity after reading your wise words.
But we seem to be at multi-purposes. As you clearly seem to think i denied racism existed. Which i didn’t, that is a figment of your imagination you invented to make yourself feel better about your tiny one dimensional mind.
White people cannot help what family they are born into any more than a starving child in the DRC can. By assuming all white people with wealth are racist is the most bigoted statement ever made by anyone posting on this article.
Yes, i did say nobody gives a shit about this blog. You know why BECAUSE NOBODY DOES. How often do you speak to work colleagues, classmates etc. about some silly internet blog? If the answer is often, put an end to your life now.
@kadet
I’m racist now, why? I do not agree with your small minded opinion therefore i MUST be racist. Did i say anything racist whatsoever? No. Did i deny white institutions run this world in any of my previous comments? No. Are you stupid Kadet? Yes.
Your entire comment is null and void because you are attempting to throw me off topic and force me to talk about a big white conspiracy to control the globe. As for the lack of indigenous people in politics, maybe it’s racism, probably not.
The population of Australia is fast approaching 21 million people. Indigenous Australians number only 500 thousand of that. Not only that but the majority of Aboriginals in Australia today have european characteristics as they have interbreeded as a result of time/past policies (such as the stolen generation). Ergo, it would be difficult to get a full blooded Aboriginal into parliament as very few now exist.
It could be a number of any things, don’t just assume its racism. That’s for the simple people.
The funny thing is, you think it makes you sound intelligent when you call other people morons. But trust me, it doesn’t.
Cheers!
smash da altar of patriarchy
Kadet why don’t [you] suck WizardofOz’s schlong? 🙂
wizardofoz (December 4):
wizardofoz (December 6):
D00d,
Thus far you’ve argued that your comments demonstrate that you’re an expression of the most pathetic side of human nature and that you should be put to death. As the great man said: the very idea that you are unique and everyone wants to listen to your moronic rants is laughable at best; nobody actually gives a shit what you think. Realise that changing someone’s opinion requires logic and evidence, of which you have neither.
In summary: dig UP, st00pid.
Firstly, ‘wizardofoz’, you are intent on convincing everybody here that engaging in argument on the internet is for “fuckwits”, that these “fuckwits” all apparently deserve to be “put to death”, and that “nothing [on the internet] is taken seriously”. You have demonstrated, with your persistent commenting and your obvious annoyance at being shown to be incorrect more than once that you are indeed taking the comments on this blog seriously (despite your pathetic posturing). Furthermore, you have shown yourself to be, by your own standards, a “fuckwit” who “deserves to be put to death”. I am willing to wholly agree with you on the former description.
Secondly, I never wrote that “all white people with wealth are racist”; you are putting words into my mouth. That statement was never made. Also, I never wrote that you “denied the existence of racism” – in fact, you seem to be wrongly accusing some of the people commenting on this blog of it, so in your mind it must exist. Stop trying to childishly distort my words.
Thirdly, your inability to grasp the concept of institutional racism (in relation to the discussion of white privilege) is alarming. People with white skin do not have to be racists themselves in order to be granted certain privileges within a society which is institutionally racist. It is quite clear that within this society, whiteness is often presented as the norm, and people of colour are often characterised as ‘the other’. People of colour are discriminated against in this society, both by individuals and institutionally. For example, mass media in Australia continue on a regular basis to present stereotyped and fallacious images of people of colour. One of many examples would be the recent stories about the alleged problem with ‘Sudanese gangs’ which have been printed in the Herald Sun and broadcast on the commercial news networks. These stories were based upon racist fear-mongering and xenophobic sentiments, quite often misrepresenting the facts or relying on complete fabrications. Another example would be the Howard government’s campaign against asylum seekers and refugees. And another example: in the Australian prison system, around 20 percent of the incarcerated people are indigenous, yet indigenous people make up only around 2.6% or the Australian population (in part, due to an ongoing genocide). These are just some of many examples of institutional racism against people of colour in Australia. It’s in the words, policies and the laws of our rulers; in the messages on our television sets; in the words printed in the newspapers; in the actions of the police in indigenous communities; and ultimately, it’s in the minds and the actions of the dupes to this racist system.
If you don’t understand what I mean by ‘white privilege’, here’s some elementary reading:
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Sometimes, obviously, it might be the case that a poor white person might be more disadvantaged than a wealthier person of colour. In a case like that, the class privilege of the wealthier person is affording them more benefits than the white privilege of the poor person. This doesn’t negate the existence of white privilege. I also never stated that “there are no poor white people” – there quite obviously are.
Capitalism is a system in which we are divided into classes, and in which the ruling classes succeed in keeping us down by engendering false ideas like that of race, and subsequently, racism, which only serve to divide us and to fool us into thinking that we have more in common with our rulers than we do with our brothers and sisters of colour.
Lastly, in relation to nobody giving a shit about this blog, I think you should take a look at @ndy’s recent post. I for one think that this blog is great.
This is the last time I will be posting on this thread. I know that you’ll want to childishly get your last word in, but that won’t change the fact that you are an idiot and an ill-informed troll. Go and read a book, you fucking ignoramus.
Sorry, the links in the previous comment didn’t work:
Mediawatch on mass media coverage of ‘Sudanese gangs’: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNfTQf7CRZw
Elementary reading on white privilege and institutional racism for ‘wizardofoz’: http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/required-reading/
Evidence that people in fact do give a shit about this blog: http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=1483
Cheers
Sorry, i just dont have time or patience for an online pissing competition.
Too busy trying to put yourself to death eh?
Congratulations to the SCS morons – you have claimed your first victim. Tyler Cassidy was shot dead after running around with knives, threatening and attacking innocent people and screaming his fool head off. Tyler is one of your poster boys, he glorified violence and racism and loved the SCS and the whole “Australia for Australians” bullshit.
His devastated mother is now railing and whining about the police who were forced to shoot him after all other efforts to stop him being a threat to the public failed. Well, perhaps she should be looking at herself and then at the idiots who influenced her son and turned him into a raving lunatic who attacked and threatened members of the public on several occasions. Tyler was lost the moment he joined all you skin-heads, criminals and racists at SCS – BTW nothing could be more opposed to your vicious narrow-minded attitudes than the symbolism of the Southern Cross and the Eureka Flag, you are an insult to these symbols and to the Australian flag itself. How dare you hide behind it.
I’m not a boy and I’m a deadset proud Aussie and I love my country and hate seeing trash ruin it. If us young Aussies don’t stand up for our country then who will.
Aussie pride till I die!!!!!!!!
Hello, all
My name is Scott, I’m 22 and I was born in South Australia. My mother’s parents are immigrants from Holland. They came over to Australia after WW2, she was also born in SA. My father was born in SA and his family originally were Scottish and German.
I am also a very proud Aussie and would like to join SCS at some stage. I’ve just been reading this entire conversation and think all ppl here have good points…However noone is going to change anyone’s opinion here.
I currently live in Germany with my wife (she is German) and there are the same sort of problems here, Germany is full of ppl of Middle Eastern descent. I don’t think this is bad. I do think that we have to be careful though as showing pride and being patriotic can be interpreted as racist behaviour and I in no way consider myself a racist.
With Australia’s history we a long list of racist behaviour, we killed the Aborigines, we attacked the Chinese when they were here for the gold rush, we attacked the Irish, we attacked the Vietnamese when they came over, we attacked the Lebanese etc etc.
I don’t agree that this behaviour is acceptable in any way shape or form, however we must still be proud. Immigrants from whatever country have the right to live in peace and i am proud to have them in my country. I do not expect them to change their beliefs and cultures because they have been doing these things for ever. I do think they should respect Aussie beliefs and culture.
My father always taught me to respect people no matter what colour, race or creed.
When I was younger I had problems with Aborigines, they would bash me and take my money and whatever else I had. So I hated them. Then when I was in Adelaide the Asians attacked me as well. So I hated them too. I thought I had the right to hate them because they attacked me. However I went backpacking around Australia for 2 years and stayed in hostels all over Australia and met many ppl from different countries, especially Asians. I found these ppl to be some of the most friendly and caring ppl i have known. This changed my opinion. I also met lots of Aborigines in my travels and some of them are like brothers and sisters to me. So I can’t [hate] them either.
What I did learn is that there are assholes everywhere no matter colour. Every race colour and creed have assholes. That’s life. Something that we do have to watch is how we are interpreted, here in Germany it’s interesting. Since WW2 and the Nazi problems that came with Hitler, Germans CAN NOT openly display pride without have someone point a finger and yelling “Nazi!!!” I think this is bullshit. However it’s a natural progression of events. The punks and rockers and almost all the young people here display anti-nazi badges and shirts in the streets. If you claim to be a neo-nazi you will not survive 10 minutes in the street. I think this is a war that needs to be fought.
WW2 may be over, but the war of the streets is not. This war. I. Will. Fight. I don’t want it to happen to Australia, if we show a bit of Aussie pride I DO NOT WANT TO SEE PEOPLE POINTING FINGERS AT ME SAYING I’M RACIST coz I’ll break those fingers off and shove them up that person’s arse.
SCS are doing a good thing, I think it’s about time somebody did, SCS are not racist and are not promoters of violence and anyone that says otherwise is simple-minded.
Technically how many of us are Australian? My family are from all over the world and I call myself Aussie. Know what I mean. I think Aborigines have maybe more right than I to say that they are Australian after all it was their country, but to call us racist still today is not right. I think that it’s been long enough for us and them to get along, but this is another story. Everyone on this world has the same colour blood. Or? Yes, yes we do.
Anyway keep the pride up! I’m gonna order a hoody at some stage.
Scotty
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PS. I think this argument here has gone long enough is it isn’t solving anything. I think its better if we agree to disagree…or?
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