OH NOES! Southern Cross Soldiers go to war
210 Comments Published November 23rd, 2008 in Anti-fascism, Media, Student movement- Update : See also Southern Cross Soldiers’ first casualty, December 12, 2008, on the police shooting of Tyler Cassidy, 15-year-old Southern Cross Soldier.
Crazy kids and their intarwebs!
The Southern Cross Soldiers (SCS) finally make it into the papers.
(See below.)
They’re just like real soldiers (only not quite as well paid).
“Friends, today was an historic day, the day Australians stood up against state-imposed multiculturalism,” Darrin Hodges wrote on the night of the Cronulla riots. Accompanying his posting is a series of photographs he took at Cronulla that day, including one of a T-shirt emblazoned with the words “wog free zone” and another of a sign offering free sausages to the crowd, with “no tabouli”. Darrin also speaks of footage he filmed on the day which [FightDemBack!] believes was used in a video released over the weekend that glorifies a mob of rioters bashing various non-whites at Cronulla.
In his article (Victorian police vow crackdown to stop ‘another Cronulla’) Liam makes reference to a Cronulla vid (Videos on [SCS] websites glorify the Cronulla riots to a neo-Nazi soundtrack promising “race war”), which is presumably a reference to the vid Australian Protectionist Party (APP) members Darrin Hodges and Martin Fletcher helped to produce and distribute on Stormfront in the riot’s immediate aftermath. Hodges & Co. maintain that the ‘riot’ was in fact a ‘White Civil Uprising’, an opening shot fired in a civil war in which their side seeks to return Australia to its natural status as a 100% White outpost in Asia. While Hodges & Co. are based in Sydney, at the same time, in Melbourne, another APP member, Luke Connors, in his then capacity as spokesperson for the now-defunct ‘Patriotik Yoof League’:
…predicted further outbreaks.
“‘When you have areas which are majority Muslim, because they don’t tend to adapt that well, or majority African or Middle Eastern extraction, and right next door you have an area which is 90 per cent Anglo-Saxon, or Anglo-Celtic, there is going to be friction,” he said.
“West Heidelberg is a big one because you have a very large black working-class community next to a white middle-working-class community. That would be my best guess actually if it was going to start up in Melbourne.
“Also, out past Springvale, along the train line, there is that same sort of segregation going on, in working-class areas where they are competing for the same jobs and there is a high unemployment rate.”
~ Ewin Hannan and Richard Baker, Nationalists boast of their role on the beach, The Age, December 13, 2005
In the meantime, the silly boys manly Aryan worriers of the APP are currently trying to arrange for BNP Fuhrer Nick Griffin to pop over for a cup of tea and a chat about strategies for making Australia a wog-free zone averting the demographic genocide that is threatening his Fatherland and the Mother Country (“caused by the large-scale immigration of people from the Third World”). As things stand, however, and especially given what appears to be widespread opposition on the part of VIPs, it appears that Gub’mint authorities are unlikely to approve Nick’s visa application.
Above: one of numerous racist images available on APP member Martin Fletcher’s webshite, ‘Downunder News Links’. The imgs were originally produced by the US-based neo-Nazi organisation ‘White Aryan Resistance’.
Earlier this year, spokesperson for the NSW APP, Darrin Hodges, described Third World immigrants as sub-human: “Australia was a beautiful place once, before it was flooded with third-world sewerage from African [sic] and Asia.” Adds, a Major-General in the Southern Cross Soldier Army, echoes this sentiment: “All these people that are coming over to our country that aren’t Aussies are trying to take it over,” Adds said.
Anyway, here’s an article about angry white teens.
Victorian police vow crackdown to stop ‘another Cronulla’
Sunday Herald Sun
Liam Houlihan
November 23, 2008POLICE will use roadblocks, mounted coast patrols and fines for swearing to protect Melbourne beaches from a Cronulla-style anti-immigrant gang.
The crackdown follows boasts by the 200-strong Melbourne chapter of the Southern Cross Soldiers, who admit having criminals and neo-Nazis in their ranks, that they will converge on bayside beaches this summer.
Police in bayside suburbs will implement Operation Beachsafe, which shares the name given to NSW police’s post-Cronulla riots crackdown.
Inspector Neil Patterson, of Moorabbin police, said: “There’s one group in particular that has indicated they intend to hold parties on beach locations.
“The message is if you’re coming to the beach areas . . . to drink or cause problems, we’re going to be there ready to target you.”
Melbourne SCS co-leader Adds said members included criminals and self-described neo-Nazi skinheads, and some had relatives in the Hell’s Angels.
“All these people that are coming over to our country that aren’t Aussies are trying to take it over,” Adds said.
“We’re just trying to put the word out that we don’t like it.”
The radical police plan to protect beaches from December to March includes:
ROADBLOCKS and car checks to stop troublemakers heading to the beach.
A ZERO-TOLERANCE blitz, including on-the-spot $130 fines for swearing on the beach, to stop trouble before it starts.
MOUNTED horse patrols in troublespots and undercover beach officers.
PHONING parents of drunk and violent youths to pick up their children from police stations.
POSSIBLE referral to the Department of Human Services if parents of young offenders cannot be contacted.
Masked soldiers in the posse call themselves “SCS defenders” and “SCS enforcers” and pose in front of patriotic paraphernalia wearing matching hoodies and wielding weapons including a machete, jemmy and spanner.
Videos on their websites glorify the Cronulla riots to a neo-Nazi soundtrack promising “race war”.
Insp Patterson said the police blitz aimed to keep beaches safe for families.
“If we can stop anti-social behaviour in its starting forms, then it won’t increase into forms of violence,” he said.
Search
Southern Cross Soldiers – We are not a gang, hoodlums ['u' not 'e'] or racist, just patriots. Out to set it straight. There is only one ethnicity in Australia, AUSTRALIAN. We are not racist, we want to unite this nation, not divide it.
scs member,
gang :
1) an organised group of criminals or disorderly young people
2) (informal) a group of people who regularly meet and do things together
In general usage, the term ‘gang’ has negative connotations — which you reject. Nevertheless, on the face of it, SCS does appear to be a ‘gang’. This is reinforced by the adoption of a uniform (colours).
“There is only one ethnicity in Australia, AUSTRALIAN.”
Not true. You’re confusing ‘ethnicity’ with ‘nationality’. To be Australian is to be of a particular nationality. Ethnicity refers to a person’s origin by birth rather than by present nationality. Thus the Australian nation consists of people of diverse ethnicities. I think it would be more correct to state that the members of SCS want to obliterate the notion of ethnicity. Thus:
“We are not racist, we want to unite this nation, not divide it.”
Leaving aside the question of whether or not this is a worthy endeavour, this claim would be more credible if SCS members were not all of White (principally Anglo-) descent. Further, in amongst images of Australian and Eureka flags, slogans (‘Australia : Love It Or Leave It’) and so on, http://www.myspace.com/scssoldiers also contains stills from the Cronulla riot. This places SCS in the context of the actions of racists who attacked dozens on the beach in December 2005.
The way I see it, there’s probably a diversity of attitudes towards race on the part of individuals who consider themselves to be SCS. One of the problems with Adam’s comments in the article above is the following: “members included criminals and self-described neo-Nazi skinheads, and some had relatives in the Hell’s Angels.”
Relatives in the Hell’s Angels? Fine. Whatever. Everyone’s got family — even bikies. ‘Criminals’ — apart from according with the more general definition of a ‘gang’ — doesn’t really concern me. People break the law. ‘neo-Nazi skinheads’, however, does concern me. If SCS are fair dinkum, they won’t tolerate the presence of neo-Nazis, whatever the length of their hair. I’m not a patriot, but I understand that many thousands of Australians died fighting the Nazi regime, and it’s a pretty poor way of paying tribute to their memory — if that’s what you want to do — by being chums with those who claim ideological descent from Nazism.
Further evidence of hatred for ‘lebs’.
From a Facebook account:
ethnicity |eθˈnisitē|
noun ( pl. -ties)
the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition.
According to you, “There is only one ethnicity in Australia, AUSTRALIAN”.
That would explain why you puerile morons have appropriated elements of American hip hop culture (including in your ridiculous theme song) to further your ’cause’. I guess Slim Dusty just doesn’t have enough street credibility.
Considering that Australian society is currently a multicultural society, being comprised of a diversity of coexisting ethnicities (as has always been the case, even before European invasion), to state that there is only ‘one ethnicity’ which you label ‘AUSTRALIAN’ is to call for the exclusion of other ethnic groups and to call for the ‘divi[sion]‘ of society.
Furthermore, your mangled attempts at communicating in the English language as demonstrated by the endless grammar and spelling mistakes on your websites would tend to suggest that you are not particularly versed in the linguistic traditions of your supposed ethnic group anyway. It seems that you’re having a particularly hard time keeping up to your mantra of ‘This is Australia: We eat meat, drink beer and speak English’. But that shouldn’t surprise anyone. You probably couldn’t even pass one of Howard’s citizenship tests yourself.
I also find it quite humorous that you incorporate the Eureka flag into your symbology, and then state that you aim to ‘unite this nation’ and to ‘get rid of the immigrants and ethnics’. The miners at the Eureka stockade were marked by their especial ethnic diversity:
But then again, you probably wouldn’t be ready to come to terms with the incoherency of your stupid arguments. The way that you meatheads are acting is tantamount to the behaviour of immature primary school children. Your thinly-veiled racism isn’t fooling anybody.
The fact that one of your websites until recently contained a video glorifying the Cronulla disgrace to a soundtrack of Skrewdriver, and that another still contains a video excusing and attempting to justify such race riots would tend to suggest that your are in fact (or at least that you aspire to be) a violent anti-immigrant gang, and not a bunch of well-meaning ‘patriots’.
You’re all a fucking joke.
“When we have undermined the patriotic lie, we shall have cleared the path for the great structure where all shall be united into a universal brotherhood — a truly free society.” – Emma Goldman, 1908
A party to celebrate the Cronulla bullshit… and SCS is not racist?
Australia: Police report reveals real instigators of Cronulla race riots
Part 1
By Fergus Michaels
30 November 2006
Below we are publishing part one of a three-part series on the December 2005 race riots at Sydney’s Cronulla beach. Part 2 was published on December 1 and part 3 will be published on December 2.
A five-volume New South Wales police report released last month sheds light on the dangerous and reactionary forces that instigated, and were involved in, Sydney’s “Cronulla Riots” of December 11, 2005. On that day, approximately 5,000 people, mostly young, gathered on Cronulla beach, many draped in the Australian flag. They launched a nationalistic, alcohol- and drug-fuelled pogrom against anyone of Middle Eastern appearance, injuring more than 20 people, two of whom were stabbed.
Retaliatory attacks and violent clashes followed in some beach-side suburbs that evening and continued the next day. The state Labor government immediately invoked extraordinary police powers and “locked down” entire suburbs, placing them under a virtual state of police siege.
As the WSWS commented at the time, there was nothing spontaneous or accidental about the riots. A Socialist Equality Party statement pointed out that for an entire week, “right-wing radio and newspaper outlets whipped up a racialist campaign to ‘reclaim our beaches’ from ‘Lebanese gangs’”. The fomenting of anti-Muslim and anti-Arab sentiment was aimed at cutting directly across deepening opposition to the Iraq war, the Howard government’s industrial relations laws and declining working class living standards. The enormous class tensions and social unrest in Australian society were directed into a diseased and dangerous channel.
An examination of the report drawn up by retired NSW assistant police commissioner Norm Hazzard further confirms this analysis. The report investigates some of the factors that led to the riots, as well as the response of the NSW police. It also reveals some of the preparations that are now being made by police to suppress future social upheavals.
The release of the report
In the aftermath of the release of the report, media attention was focussed on calls for the state’s police minister, Carl Scully, to resign. Scully initially denied knowledge of the document’s contents in the NSW parliament. It subsequently emerged that Hazzard had personally briefed Scully on the contents in September, and that copies had already been leaked to some NSW police officers.
The immediate response of NSW premier Morris Iemma was to defend Scully, claiming “it’s indisputable he wasn’t trying to be dishonest or mislead”.
After repeated accusations from the opposition Liberal Party that the Labor government was covering up the report, Scully further obfuscated, claiming it was only a “draft”, and then that it was not “final”. Hazzard told the Sydney Morning Herald this was another lie. Finally, Iemma ordered the report’s release, and Scully was sacked.
The furore over Scully’s blatant deception and eventual resignation constituted a massive diversion from the report itself. The entire matter has since been dropped in the press. To this day, the media has barely mentioned the contents, and no copy is publicly available online.
So what does the report say, and why did it claim the scalp of a police minister?
The initial altercation at Cronulla beach
On December 4, 2005 a relatively unexceptional altercation occurred on Cronulla beach involving a group of young men of Middle Eastern appearance and some lifeguards. A verbal exchange took place in which one of the Middle Eastern men responded to accusations that he was “staring” at a lifesaver by saying, “I’m allowed to, now f**k off and leave our beach”. The lifesaver responded with, “I come down here out of my own spare time to save you dumb c**ts from drowning, now piss off you scum.” A fight ensued, in which one of the lifesavers was badly hurt.
The incident became the launching pad for a hysterical campaign, primarily on talk-back radio, over the next week. As the Hazzard report notes, it was “described as being an attack on an Australian institution” in which “life savers were … heroes and likened to Anzacs.”
The radio reports of the event were outright fabrications. They described an unprovoked assault, with Middle Eastern “reinforcements” called to the beach by mobile phone, after which the enlarged group punched and kicked the lifesavers unconscious, and then fled.
None of this actually happened. The Hazzard report finds “evidence of provocation from both sides”. Furthermore, “mobile telephones were not used to call in reinforcements” and “the Middle Eastern group did not increase in number from those who were in the immediate vicinity at the time”.
Talkback radio’s role in instigating the riots
Volume 4, Item 3 of the Hazzard report, entitled, “2GB Broadcast Synopsis: 4th December 2005 to 9th December 2005: Alan Jones, Ray Hadley, Jason Morrison,” devotes 108 pages to broadcasts from Sydney radio station 2GB in the lead up to the Cronulla riots. Whilst not “strictly verbatim”, it is a “verified and accurate” record.
On these radio programs, listeners call in, correspondents read out letters, and the hosts constantly volunteer their opinions and interpretations of events and issues.
Alan Jones is one of Australia’s most promoted personalities, and enjoys the closest of relationships with Prime Minister John Howard, as well as with the Labor government in NSW. He is a former speechwriter for the Liberal Party, and a recipient of the Order of Australia.
It is impossible to reproduce the volume of filth and backwardness spewed forth by these radio commentators and their talk show guests in the space available for this article. But to give a sense of the racialist climate they created at the time, it is crucial to revisit at least some of what they said.
Day after day, hysterical exchanges such as the following occurred on morning radio:
Caller: “What kind of grubs do we have here?”
(Alan) Jones: “What kind of grubs? This lot were Middle Eastern, we’re not allowed to say it, but I am saying it.”
The following “correspondence” was read on air by Jones:
* “Unfortunately this happens regularly at Cronulla—gangs of Lebanese youth just swarm over the beach, stealing from and assaulting beach goers; they pick on the youngest.”
* “Alan it’s not just a few Middle Eastern bastards at the weekend, it’s thousands. Cronulla is a very long beach and it’s been taken over by this scum; it’s not a few causing problems, it’s all of them.”
* “Police are too afraid to act … if we were allowed to act the way we want to, we could solve a lot of problems … these Middle Eastern people must be treated with a big stick—it’s the only thing they fear.”
Jones openly advocated and encouraged violent reprisals and vigilante behaviour against young men of Middle Eastern appearance.
For instance a caller, John, said: “These people, half of them may be home grown; they have infected minds; they don’t live the Australian way … if the police can’t do the job the next tier is to us.” Jones replied: “Yeah, good on ya, John.” When John said: “Shoot one, the rest will run … when you’re outnumbered 20 to 1 you don’t put your hand up and play by Queensbury rules,” Jones replied with laughter and added: “You don’t play by Queensbury rules; good on ya, John.”
Ray Hadley, another “shock-jock” on 2GB, unleashed equally disgusting comments, and also incited violence. Asked whether surf lifesavers should allow people of Middle Eastern appearance to drown when in distress in the water, Hadley commented: “That’s good because there is one less to bash them [the lifesavers]. I don’t care, I’m sick of it; I’m not in the mood today to pander to minorities.” He continued: “It’s about time we reclaimed our beaches.”
Hadley also commented:
* “At the moment we have a core of young people who will not accept; they are Australians, but won’t accept our way of life and we need to do something about it.”
* “We have been too easy … and we need to get tough.”
Jason Morrison, filling in for Hadley, endorsed an email from a listener who claimed: “We are experiencing circumstances that have caused leaders of other countries through history to declare war on people not assimilating in their country.”
These hosts endeavoured to create the impression of a city and a society under siege by dangerous, distinctly “un-Australian” and barely human elements who needed to be swiftly and violently crushed.
On one occasion, Jones wailed: “We’ve got the pack mentality, we’ve got the Lebanese gangs and the disrespect; you’ve got the mind numbing rap music. They’ve got the weapons and the knives, and like the US, the gangs are drawn along ethnic lines.”
He also said:
* “Here are people hunting with gangs, hunting with knives, randomly threatening people’s lives.”
* “This is suburban this stuff and these people only know one thing: they hate us and they’re going to take over.”
With one caller, Yvonne, Jones claimed: “There is a standard that has to apply and you don’t meet that standard you should be rounded up.” She replied: “And if we don’t have enough police, what’s wrong with getting the army in?… [G]ive these blokes a bit of rifle butt in the face and they’ll back off; they’re cowards.” Jones replied: “If it gets to that we might have to do that, do you follow what I am saying?”
Jones repeatedly read out an alleged text message sent out by local “youngsters” in the Cronulla area encouraging others to go to the beach on the following Sunday, “to support Leb and Wog bashing day”.
On another occasion, Jones called for, “A rally, a street march, call it what you will. A community show of force.”
It did not take long to prove that these considerable efforts were not in vain.
Referring directly to the role of the shock-jocks, the Hazzard report states, “comment made by the broader community relating to the incidents was at times racist, exaggerated, inaccurate and advocated vigilante behaviour.”
But in the aftermath of the riots—unprecedented in Australian history—no official investigation was launched into their causes. Media attention continued to focus exclusively on how many Middle Eastern youth had or had not been rounded up, and the need for a massive police presence throughout the summer on Sydney’s beaches.
The only explanation for Scully’s behaviour was that he, too, was trying to protect the culprits. Adam Walters drew the conclusion in an article on ninemsn.com.au that Scully’s actions were, indeed, aimed at suppressing the police report in order to protect Jones. Apparently, on September 19, when Hazzard initially briefed the police minister on the report, Scully questioned him as to whether the role of the media fell under its terms of reference.
According to Walters, Hazzard’s notes of the meeting reveal that the police minister’s only concerns “related to the criticism of Alan Jones and other influential media commentators”. It appears that the primary motivation of the state Labor government was to avoid, at all costs, a falling out with the highly influential Jones so close to the March 2007 state election.
It is quite clear that these unintelligible fools are a pack of racist scumbags.
To quote from some of the material posted on the MySpace page (lovingly adorned with images of Cronulla Riot violence and Australian flags) of ‘ASH’ of Boronia, a self-proclaimed ‘S.C.S ENFORCER’, fan of Muay Thai, lover of books containing ‘murder, rape, tourture [sic] and serial killers’:
“SPECIAL THANKS TO CRONULLA BOYS AND GIRLS
FUCK YOU TO THE GREASY WOG CUNTS YOU DESERVED IT
AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE OI OI OI”
And…
“We Grew Here…
You Flew Here…
Don’t Like It…
Fuck Off!!!”
Clearly these loving words could only come from a fair-dinkum, 100% non-racist, all-round top bloke.
What an upstanding citizen.
He is not part of a gang, or a hoodlum or racist, just patriotic. Out to set it straight. There is only one ethnicity in Australia, AUSTRALIAN. He is not racist, he just wants to unite this nation, not divide it. (And smash greasy wog cunts.)
I looked at the website, from what i can tell its just a bunch of internet gangsta’s. Most of them are adolescent or close to it.
Let the little boys act big, who are they hurting? It’s just bullshit thats been drummed into them by the media.
In no way shape or form do i support any racism, but i admire those who can let their voices be heard. Much like i admire Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela. Its called free speech, if we were to say, outlaw racism and any thought of it would be synonymous to totalitarialism and oppression. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, you must confer that no matter how personally revulsed you may be by their sentiments.
They merely represent the common problem with modern western society. The inability to think past their television screens.
Now whilst they certainly behave like a gang in most facets of the word. I highly doubt any of them actually do anything they talk about. I suppose they think it makes them cool, or will get them all the girls. But it wont.
Its the internet ladies and gentlemen, nothing here is taken seriously.
Wow, its funny to see you all sitting behind your keyboards labeling us internet gangsters and the like when you have no idea who any of us are.
The write up was a load of bullshit, your all stupid enough to believe it, especially you wizardofoz who quoted “It’s just bullshit thats been drummed into them by the media.”
Funny thing is, your all sitting on here debating the SCS without any real knowledge of what we are really about, sure you scoped out some myspace pages with a couple of the lads that have
We Grew Here…
You Flew Here…
Don’t Like It…
Fuck Off!!!”
And the likes, but did you bother to go threw the 600 members on the myspace and check them out, 95% are just proud to be Australian. Pity you think that were all racist huh? Why single out the selected few who have a racest comment here or there on there myspace?
The whole article was a spun-up bullshit story to make some no-name journo try and make a name for himself, and hey, if he wants to do that, then thats his choice.
But yous are truely pathetic for believing any word of it. So in short get off your high-horses and talking trash about SCS when you have no idea who we are or what were about.
Hey melbourne SCS leader
I don’t understand what makes a bunch of cartographical lines on a map so appealing to people, but you guys are equally as hilarious if not ridiculous as the national anarchists. If you guys enjoy your uniformity and paramilitary ego trips, be sure to wear one of those hoodies around town, that way it will be easier for the antifa to spot you and beat the crap out of you for being a bunch of brain dead morons. We’re watching you… and you’ve made it all too easy
PS. We know exactly who you are: middle class white boys with too much testosterone and not enough brain cells who think a draft is a type of beer and live off mummy and daddy’s paychecks whilst you go off partying every night hoping to score as many “roots” as possible.
Sounds like a cult of racist Corey Worthingtons minus the glasses.
G’day S.C.S Melb Leader,
Actually, I don’t sit behind a keyboard: I type while doing a handstand.
Pretty tough eh?
SOUTHERN CROSS SOLDIERS has 1353 friends. S.C.S Melb (Meeting on the 6th of Dec) has 677 friends.
That’s a lot of friends.
I don’t have the time, the energy, or the inclination to trawl through that many pages. But what I have found I’ve noted.
The relevant points:
Insofar as Adds — who appears to be a senior figure — is typical of the attitudes of SCS, this indicates a certain degree of racist hostility (to put it mildly).
The article in question also notes that ‘Videos on their websites glorify the Cronulla riots to a neo-Nazi soundtrack promising “race war”.’
Are you denying this?
The SCS theme song — which is included on most if not all SCS myspace pages — has an accompanying video, composed of stills. These appear to condone the racial violence at Cronulla (December 2005).
A few further examples.
GET YOUR ‘SLUT’ ON !!! left the following comment on the NSW chapter page:
CROFTY (Good Times) Y.E.W describes his interests as follows:
In Melbourne, ASH (S.C.S ENFORCER) makes it pretty clear that he supports the White Civil Uprising (as various neo-Nazis described it) at Cronulla. In fact, hostility to Lebanese-Australians (in particular) seems to be fairly uniform.
Let me put it another way: how many SCS members take note of the positive contribution people of Lebanese or other Middle Eastern descent have made to Australian society? Is this even considered possible?
So…
“…did you bother to go threw the 600 members on the myspace and check them out, 95% are just proud to be Australian. Pity you think that were all racist huh? Why single out the selected few who have a racest comment here or there on there myspace?”
No, I haven’t gone through 600 profiles, just the main chapters, and a few who appear on the front page as Friends. Here’s my impression: most members (and supporters) are:
a) young (teenagers and twenty-somethings);
b) white;
c) Australian;
d) obsessed with demonstrating their patriotism.
In and of themselves, these traits are fairly unremarkable: there’s literally millions of young White Australians, and many of them like to fly the flag. What appears to be distinctive about SCS is that it’s a fairly recent development, and its creation appears to have been triggered, in large part, by the events at Cronulla in December 2005. In other words, on the basis of racist antagonism towards Australians of Middle Eastern descent. Further, this hostile attitude is justified in terms of what is understood to be a lack of respect for, if not open contempt of, (White) Australia, its culture and traditions, on the part of this segment of the population.
Finally, being a member of or associated with SCS obviously involves the expression of patriotic feeling but, equally obviously, it’s about more than just this. Thus while there are many people who would describe themselves as ‘proud to be Australian’, only a tiny fraction of these feel compelled to express it via SCS. What SCS most closely approximates is a youth gang. I’ve already explained why I think this, but having looked over a few more member’s profiles since then, I can also add that there’s a preoccupation on the part of many with retributive forms of violence. That is, the defence of ‘Australia’ through the violent targeting of members of ethnic minorities — principally Lebanese — as a self-defence mechanism. This violence is celebrated as worthy and justified.
Cheers and beers,
Andy.
PS.
You asked:
“Pity you think that were all racist huh? Why single out the selected few who have a racest comment here or there on there myspace?”
You must have missed this:
“The way I see it, there’s probably a diversity of attitudes towards race on the part of individuals who consider themselves to be SCS.”
Kadet:
“We know exactly who you are: middle class white boys with too much testosterone and not enough brain cells who think a draft is a type of beer and live off mummy and daddy’s paychecks whilst you go off partying every night hoping to score as many “roots” as possible.”
Thats pretty racist and stereotypical in itself.
@ndy – The pro-Cronulla riot videos released onto youtube then added to our myspace had more than just racism about them, they showed a whole army of my fellow countrymen and women standing up for themselves, for something they believe in, and most importantly standing up for there country.
They were not put there to glorify the cronulla riots in any way, just merely a well compiled video of plenty of aussies and australian flags, that really caught my eye and made me feel good
Also, about your impressions:
a) so what if the age is young? whats age got to do with anything.
b) we add maybe 1/4 of our friends to the myspace, and majority are females, i’ve personally tried to add non-white “australians” but funny enough the requests have been rejected.
c) of course there going to be australian, are you fucking retarded? This is an proud to be australian myspace after all? Why would we want to add anybody else – fool
d) and as far as i know there is nothing wrong about being obsessed with demonstrating our patriotism, is there?
@ndy mate, also, you wrote
“What appears to be distinctive about SCS is that it’s a fairly recent development, and its creation appears to have been triggered, in large part, by the events at Cronulla in December 2005″
The SCS would have been created even if the cronulla riots never took place, since i was born i have been proud to be australian, just like many others, and what better way to be proud australian than to share my thoughts and views with every other proud aussie out there that wants to add us to there myspace
Im guna take a punt here, and say your either not a white-australian, or your really old. Because i can safely say, that growing up in my area, i have been targeted for no particular reason other than “being australian”. Its things like this that really test your patience growing up, and you and your friends/family can only tolerate so much before you get real pissed off and want to do something about it, so you see all this hostility and your asking yourself why? Its because how else do you expect people to react after being targeted so long and so much for the simple fact your australian, im not trying to applaud the violence of white-australian onto lebanese or non-white australians, im just trying to share some light why so of the boys may have slogans on there myspaces like
“Drinking,Racing,Burnouts,Boobs,the occasional brawl,moto ridin,4wd,and abit of leb bashing”
Kadet – your nothing but a lefty, i don’t see any point of threatening people you know nothing about, so your not even worth argueing to. We are no cult or Corey Worthingtons, just proud aussies. Catch
what he means by there is only 1 ethnicity in aus is that we are all australian if u live in aus it dosent matter where ur from ur still aussie and should be proud to be
Racist mindless thugs? HA! You’ve got to be kidding. I’m going into my final year of Grad-Entry Law next year and I’d hardly call myself racist let alone mindless. Sure we have a few younger members and some of the boys have said some stuff which I don’t necessarily agree with, but at the end of the day we are a group (not a gang) of men and women who are proud to call Australia home. Running to your dictionaries to try and label us as something we are not is pathetic. At the end of the day it’s all subjective – we know that and you know that.
You’re entitled to your opinions because that’s your right living in a free and democratic country. We are also entitled to ours. We aren’t flaming you for your ideals, political preferences and the like. We are seeking to harmonise the schism that is prevalent in today’s modern society. What’s wrong with being a nationalist? Why are you opposed to it? Are you not proud of the place you call home? We as citizens of a young nation, need to start developing a social, moral and political psyche that projects an image to the world that we are proud of our country. If you call that racist then I’m the Pope.
It takes a lot of courage for the likes of those opposed to the SCS to sit back and proffer their views after reading an unsubstantiated and poorly sought [thought?] out article. It doesn’t fathom [?] me if you’re left, right or whatnot, at the end of the day we are trying to unite people together – we’re trying to bridge the divide between ‘us’ and ‘them’. It saddens me to use terms like ‘us’ and ‘them’, but unfortunately that is how it has become today.
Have those here who’ve posted against the SCS, seen the websites of those of ‘ethic’ origin paying out on Australia? Have you had a crack at them for what they are saying? Or is it simply easier for you to have a dig at us because you take what the Herald Sun says as Gospel? Hmmmm food for thought.
I’m a proud Australian and always will be. If the SCS isn’t your thing then so be it. Adding fuel to the fire isn’t going to get you anywhere. It shows a heightened sense of immaturity and a deep seeded [seated?] lack of common sense.
S.C.S Melb Leader,
There’s lots of vids about the Cronulla riot on YouTube… You mean vids like this (the backing track is by local neo-Nazi band Fortress)?
What, exactly, do you think happened on December 11, 2005? Here’s one summary:
“On that day, approximately 5,000 people, mostly young, gathered on Cronulla beach, many draped in the Australian flag. They launched a nationalistic, alcohol- and drug-fuelled pogrom against anyone of Middle Eastern appearance, injuring more than 20 people, two of whom were stabbed.”
What, exactly, is there to celebrate about this? Are you aware that the car seen driving away in the above footage contained two students from Bangladesh? Read Liz Jackson’s report:
Again: what’s there to celebrate about the Cronulla riot?
And I don’t accept for a moment that the Cronulla vids were chosen simply because they’ve got imgs of Aussie flags… that’s bullshit (and I think you know it). If you wanted patriotic vids, there’s others you can choose from. Here’s a few suggestions:
Alternatively, have you thought about stopping having a whinge or a sook about Lebs and hardening the fuck up?
Hahaha mate that is the most biast load of bullshit i have ever seen LOL.
why not post up the whole report from Liz, but nah you decided to leave out the rest and just post the some-what racist bits, your pathetic Andy.
And who are you to question me why i put up the videos? Its a free country (so far) so i can put up whatever videos wherever i want.
Personally i couldnt give 2 shits about whether or not you believe me, but keep ranting on about how racist i am because i like a video portraying proud aussies and aussie flags, if it makes you feel so special.
I don’t care any more.
And wheres the rest of your retalliation to my other comments? I replied to some of yours the least you could do was reply to some of mine, unless you have nothing to say because you were found out to be more stupid than you like to think you are?
sincere apologies @ndy. i’m sorry i don’t have the luxury of being able to edit my posts and put fancy italics in. perhaps giving people who post on here that option would be something you could implement?
honestly, is that the best you could come up with? picking up on a few grammatical errors? lol. you really need to go out and get some fresh air. you’ll end up having a stroke if you’re not careful old chap.
Gazza and S.C.S Melb Leader,
My replies are posted when I find the time to compose them. Simply because I don’t respond immediately or in full doesn’t mean I won’t.
More later tonight.
andy: i look forward to it. you’re an intelligent fellow but at the end of the day you’re still a twit. see it isn’t nice labelling people is it? didn’t they teach you that in your sociology classes whilst you undertook an arts degree? haha.
S.C.S Melb Leader,
Last things first.
why not post up the whole report from Liz…
For very obvious reasons:
1) The quote illustrated my point.
2) The transcript is very long.
3) Anyone who wanted to could click on the link and read the whole thing themselves. (It’s this whole new thing called the Intertubes. It’s amaaazing!)
but nah you decided to leave out the rest and just post the some-what racist bits, your pathetic Andy.
“Some-what racist bits”: ooh, that’s good. I’ll pay that.
And who are you to question me why i put up the videos? Its a free country (so far) so i can put up whatever videos wherever i want.
My name’s Andy.
You’re free to post videos (or not), comment on my blog (or not), and/or even try and stick your foot up your arse (if you want).
You’ve commented on my blog, and I’ve responded. Part of this response has consisted of me asking why you celebrate the Cronulla riot. In this context, I made the very — very — obvious point that it’s possible to express patriotic feeling without extolling the virtues of the Cronulla riot. Millions of Australians, in fact, do exactly that — and regularly. Rather than justify your choice, you’ve decided to wail about ‘free speech’.
That is not a mature or a serious response.
I suspect that this may be because you’re neither mature nor serious.
Personally i couldnt give 2 shits about whether or not you believe me, but keep ranting on about how racist i am because i like a video portraying proud aussies and aussie flags, if it makes you feel so special.
Again, this is an infantile response to some perfectly reasonable questions: questions which you are patently incapable of answering. I haven’t ranted at you: you’re projecting.
If this is leadership, SCS is an army with a fool for a general.
And wheres the rest of your retalliation to my other comments? I replied to some of yours the least you could do was reply to some of mine, unless you have nothing to say because you were found out to be more stupid than you like to think you are?
I’ve taken considerable time and effort to reply to you.
I’ve explained to you that I don’t have the time, the energy or the inclination to trawl “threw” hundreds of myspace profiles. Instead, I’ve simply reiterated the sentiments expressed by Adds; examined the contents of some of the central SCS pages and those of some of the more prominent members of the group; posted what I’ve discovered and tried to explain how this evidence has shaped my thinking on the subject of SCS. As a result, I dispute your claim that SCS is simply expressing ‘patriotic feeling’, and argued that the kind of patriotic feeling typically, if not invariably, being expressed by SCS is racialist and xenophobic. Members regularly express varying degrees of hostility to racial and ethnic others, especially those of Lebanese descent, and the bulk of thinking on the subject of the nation is reduced to simplistic sloganeering (‘Australia: Love It Or Fuck Off’) and adolescent posturing. That this is regularly performed in the name of some rather lame interpretation of the ANZAC tradition is just plain pathetic, in my opinion. And despite making extremely loud proclamations of faith in the Australian people and nation, there’s bugger-all understanding of the country’s history or traditions.
On “impressions”:
a) so what if the age is young? whats age got to do with anything.
That the membership of SCS is very young does not, in and of itself, mean that SCS is ‘bad’ or ‘wrong’. This helps to explain why I’ve never claimed otherwise. Rather, it’s a question of understanding 1) what SCS is (what kinds of people support it and form its membership) and 2) why simplistic appeals to ‘Australian-ness’ find particular resonance among young people, and why it is expressed in this fashion and at this time. In this context, I think the issue is, in part, the role of nationalism in the formation of young people’s identities.
b) we add maybe 1/4 of our friends to the myspace, and majority are females, i’ve personally tried to add non-white “australians” but funny enough the requests have been rejected.
I’m not sure what the first part of your statement means, but I think the reasons why non-White Australians may not wish to be members of SCS is obvious.
c) of course there going to be australian, are you fucking retarded? This is an proud to be australian myspace after all? Why would we want to add anybody else – fool
You really do sound like a wounded teenager.
Whatever.
I could try to explain why your logic is circular, or why taking note of the characteristics of a group to then compare these to the group’s self-definition is standard practice when making any kind of analysis, but I’m guessing there’s little point.
As for ‘fool’… pffft. I know you are — but am I?
d) and as far as i know there is nothing wrong about being obsessed with demonstrating our patriotism, is there?
Er… only someone capable of subjecting their beliefs to some kinda critical scrutiny would be capable of answering that question and I’m guessing — again — that you’re really not the type.
The SCS would have been created even if the cronulla riots never took place, since i was born i have been proud to be australian, just like many others, and what better way to be proud australian than to share my thoughts and views with every other proud aussie out there that wants to add us to there myspace
I’ve no idea if SCS would have been created in the absence of something like the Cronulla events. I know you don’t like the word, but gangs of one sort or another have been around for many years, and youth gangs (of one sort or another) will in all likelihood continue to be around for some time to come. The reasons for this you’re only likely to understand to the extent that you can do some serious research. Given that understanding anything is not your first priority, this may not occur for quite a long time.
That said: being born Australian is exactly like being born an Abkhazian, Afghani, Albanian, Algerian, Andorran, Angolan, Argentinian, Armenian, Austrian or Azerbaijani:
An accident.
This may come as something of a shock to you but — nobody chooses when or to whom they’re born. One moment you’re lolling about in some warm liquid, and the next: “waaah!”
So go ahead: be proud.
(You might also like to consider being proud of your achievements, should you have any other than being the leader of a yoof gang.)
Im guna take a punt here, and say your either not a white-australian, or your really old.
The boundary umpire has indicated that the ball has gone out on the full and that I’ve been awarded a free kick.
Because i can safely say, that growing up in my area, i have been targeted for no particular reason other than “being australian”. Its things like this that really test your patience growing up, and you and your friends/family can only tolerate so much before you get real pissed off and want to do something about it, so you see all this hostility and your asking yourself why? Its because how else do you expect people to react after being targeted so long and so much for the simple fact your australian, im not trying to applaud the violence of white-australian onto lebanese or non-white australians, im just trying to share some light why so of the boys may have slogans on there myspaces like…
Right. So: while growing up, you were subjected to racist abuse? OK. That sux, obviously. But it’s the experience of many, from all different sorts of backgrounds. The real question, as you put it, is: how to respond?
Generally speaking, in such circumstances, I conclude that the speaker is probably a bit of an idiot and/or has a chip on their shoulder. Either way, it’s their problem. I’ve also come to the conclusion that dickheads come in all shapes, sizes and colours, but that just because a dickhead is of a particular shape, size or colour, that doesn’t mean that all people of that shape, size or colour are also dickheads.
Pretty elementary stuff.
Your experiences are common, and do not ‘explain’ why one racist psychotic enjoys ‘a bit of Leb bashing’, any more than it explains why others choose other targets for their anger. Cronulla is a case in point. Wtf were the 20 or so people bashed on December 11 guilty of? As far as I can tell, walking around in brown skin. Certainly, none of them had bashed a surf lifesaver. If you condemn the actions of the gangs of Middle-Eastern yoof who assaulted others that night, you must also, by the same logic, condemn the actions of the hundreds who bravely attacked people on the beach that day.
So, in my opinion, the reason you and many others celebrate ‘Cronulla’ has very little to do with ‘love of country’, and quite a lot to do with gaining a vicarious thrill at subjecting racialised others to abuse, humiliation and violence. Wrap it in the flag if you like — hey! it’s a fee country! — but I think it’s bullshit.
PS. Harden the fuck up.
@ndy – get a life LOL
fuck cant believe i just read all that LMFAO
fun times mate fun times, enjoy your self-rightous non-racist life
Crazy kids and their intarwebs!
you’re an intelligent fellow but at the end of the day you’re still a twit. see it isn’t nice labelling people is it? didn’t they teach you that in your sociology classes whilst you undertook an arts degree? haha.
Ouchies! Chris Crocker responds (for ‘Britney’ read ‘Andy’):
Congratulations on having almost completed a law degree.
Running to your dictionaries to try and label us as something we are not is pathetic. At the end of the day it’s all subjective – we know that and you know that.
Nonsense. I jog to my dictionaries.
On subjectivity: yeah, so you say.
You’re entitled to your opinions because that’s your right living in a free and democratic country. We are also entitled to ours.
Doing a double major in philosophy I see.
We aren’t flaming you for your ideals, political preferences and the like.
Um, quite. This may help to explain why I’ve never claimed otherwise.
We are seeking to harmonise the schism that is prevalent in today’s modern society.
That’s the problem. If you were seeking to harmonise the schism that was prevalent in yesterday’s modern society we’d have no quarrel.
What’s wrong with being a nationalist?
It’s stoopid?
Why are you opposed to it?
Because I’m not stoopid?
Are you not proud of the place you call home?
No. (It’s a rental and the roof leaks.)
We as citizens of a young nation, need to start developing a social, moral and political psyche that projects an image to the world that we are proud of our country.
Can you translate that into English for me?
If you call that racist then I’m the Pope.
And if your aunty had balls she’d be your uncle.
It takes a lot of courage for the likes of those opposed to the SCS to sit back and proffer their views after reading an unsubstantiated and poorly sought [thought?] out article.
Are you being sarcastic?
It doesn’t fathom [?] me if you’re left, right or whatnot, at the end of the day we are trying to unite people together – we’re trying to bridge the divide between ‘us’ and ‘them’. It saddens me to use terms like ‘us’ and ‘them’, but unfortunately that is how it has become today.
Again: speakee English!
Have those here who’ve posted against the SCS, seen the websites of those of ‘ethic’ origin paying out on Australia?
Oh, I’ve been to Georgia and California and anywhere I could run
I took the hand of a preacher man and we made love in the sun
But I ran out of places and friendly faces because I had to be free
I’ve been to paradise but I’ve never been to me
Oh, I’ve been to Nice and the Isle of Greece while I’ve sipped champagne on a yacht
I’ve moved like Harlow in Monte Carlo and showed ‘em what I’ve got
I’ve been undressed by kings and I’ve seen some things that a woman ain’t supposed to see
I’ve been to paradise, but I’ve never been to me
Have you had a crack at them for what they are saying?
Have you heard? The coast of Maine just got caught in a hurricane?
Well, did you ever? What a swell party this is!
Have you heard that poor dear Blanche got run down by an avalanche?
Well, did you ever? What a swell party this is!
What daiquiris! What sherry, please! What burgundy! What pommery!
Have you heard? Professor Munch ate his wife and divorced his lunch?
Well, did you ever? What a swell party this is!
Missus Smith in her new Hup crossed the bridge when the bridge was up?
Well, did you ever? What a swell party this is!
What brandy, wow! What whiskey, here’s how!
What gin and what beer, will you sober up, dear?
Or is it simply easier for you to have a dig at us because you take what the Herald Sun says as Gospel? Hmmmm food for thought.
Hmmmm I prefer a falafel (for starters).
I’m a proud Australian and always will be. If the SCS isn’t your thing then so be it. Adding fuel to the fire isn’t going to get you anywhere. It shows a heightened sense of immaturity and a deep seeded [seated?] lack of common sense.
Here endeth the lesson.
Btw, SCS stars in a major new motion picture:
hahaha. thanks for providing me with my first laugh for the day. you’re a joke. do something constructive with your life rather than advocating for anarchy. what’s next? you’ll be stating that what the g20 protesters did to the police was a good thing? do me a favour, wash your hair with olive oil and go and worship the rainbow warrior you bloody hippie.
yes, i’m still laughing.
Hello, the wizard back again!
I would just like to say you’re all fuckwits.
Internet fights are possibly the most pathetic part of human nature. You need to realise that you can only change a person’s point of view face to face, with real facts and good arguments.
Arguing over a youtube video achieves nothing. Everyone who has argued on this page needs to be put to death.
Grow some balls ladies and gents, if you like arguing so much join the debating team at your primary school.
Thankyou, wizard out.
PS. I would like to add that internet blogging requires a great deal of stupidity also. The very idea that you are unique and everyone wants to listen to your moronic rants is laughable at best. Like I have outlined before, nobody actually gives a shit what happens on the internet. The media is just peddling stereotypes and prejudice.
So far Gazza is a lawyer who loves cops, gets bashed and has one of those mini Australian flags on his car, harden the fuck up mate!!
Funny stuff.
John, first: It’s not racist to point out white male privilege especially if you are white (which i am).
Second: Can i ask why you love Australia so much? Explain what’s so good about it?
I agree that the flora and fauna of Australia is indeed beautiful as is the environment of a number of different countries but surely that’s not the basis of your patriotism (if anything it would probably make you the hippie you so despise). Seems to me your embedded patriotism comes from a mixture of sports fanaticism, racist upbringing and US gangster culture (ironically enough). What I don’t understand is your support for the military and the state which is the most ironic thing because the state is the very institution which sends “Aussie” soldiers off to die and those stupid enough to join it can’t even see that. How about you ask an indigenous Australian if they’re proud to be an Aussie. I bet you’ll find that none will agree with your nationalist tendencies or your definition of what it is to be a “proud Australian”.
“you’ll be stating that what the g20 protesters did to the police was a good thing?”
To make such a statement without being informed of the facts is complete stupidity.
You’re right, what the protesters did was a good thing, they fought police repression, the police are the guard dogs of the rich. Get it through your fucking skulls: the government doesn’t give a shit about you and there’s no reason why you should support it when it serves only to oppress. In regards to being a lefty, better than being a brain dead racist bourgeois pig.
Actually, Kadet, it is racist to classify any people by the colour of their skin.
Doesn’t matter what colour you are.
I like your hypocracy. You should write articles for the herald sun.
Cheers!
Actually, ‘wizardofoz’, it is racist to [grant] a person certain unearned privileges, to disadvantage them or to makes assumptions about their character based on the colour of their skin or some other irrelevant characteristic. It is not racist to recognise that white privilege does exist in this society – it is simply a statement of fact. To deny the existence of racism, institutional or otherwise, whilst racism clearly continues to exist is a racist action in itself.
The point was simply made that most, if not all of the members of SCS are white, and therefore, as the characteristic of whiteness is assigned privilege in contemporary Australian society, the sentiments of SCS are reactionary and racist.
To acknowledge the existence of racism is not to be racist. It is quite clear that although race as a biological concept has been debunked, racism still continues to exist.
But with that said, you’re a fucking moron, so you probably won’t understand the difference.
Furthermore, if nobody gave a shit about the content of this blog as you contend, 1) you wouldn’t be posting on it and 2) it would not receive the many thousands of hits and comments that it continues to.
And ‘Gazza’, as far as the actions of the small minority of protesters violently confronting the cops at the G20 convergence – I think there should be more of it, although a lot of thought and consideration does need to happen in regard to which tactics are most appropriate in the context of the absence of a mass anti-capitalist movement in Oceania.
That said, maybe you should take the time to analyse the real reasons why the police force exists. Maybe you should take the time to question why we need armed defenders of the state and the status quo patrolling our streets in military vehicles and bashing civilians when they choose to voice their opposition to such an oppressive system. I think you will find it has a lot more to do with protecting power and profits than with upholding the law and fighting ‘crime’.
But then again, thinking doesn’t appear to be your strong point.
And ‘aussie boy’, again you are getting confused between the concepts of nationality and ethnicity. If you live in Australia, then your legal nationality is most likely (unless you have dual-citizenship or some other arrangement) Australian. Living in Australia does not mean you are by definition part of one particular ethnic group. Australian is a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural society.
As for being proud of the fact that you live within the confines of some arbitrary border inscribed on a map by some colonialist, that doesn’t make too much sense. Most Australians didn’t even choose to live here. They were just born here by pure chance, as has been noted.
As for me, I’m not particularly proud of the fact that I live here. Why should I be? If it means being associated with some of the dickheads who have been commenting on this blog, then it’s nothing to be proud of.
Find something real to believe in.
WizardofOz: You’re a moron that sounds like you’re auditioning for the local chapter of the KKK. If you really think that straight Caucasian males don’t have a monopoly over the global institutions of power then you’re an idiot. Let’s use an example close to home: How many Australian politicians do you know that are indigenous? Yeah precisely…
Uni twat (though evidently you don’t sound like one): here here! My thoughts exactly.
– In solidarity…
Ahhh, unitwat. It’s so clear now. Thankyou.
There are no poor white people. All white people with wealth are racist!
I have just had a moment of clarity after reading your wise words.
But we seem to be at multi-purposes. As you clearly seem to think i denied racism existed. Which i didn’t, that is a figment of your imagination you invented to make yourself feel better about your tiny one dimensional mind.
White people cannot help what family they are born into any more than a starving child in the DRC can. By assuming all white people with wealth are racist is the most bigoted statement ever made by anyone posting on this article.
Yes, i did say nobody gives a shit about this blog. You know why BECAUSE NOBODY DOES. How often do you speak to work colleagues, classmates etc. about some silly internet blog? If the answer is often, put an end to your life now.
@kadet
I’m racist now, why? I do not agree with your small minded opinion therefore i MUST be racist. Did i say anything racist whatsoever? No. Did i deny white institutions run this world in any of my previous comments? No. Are you stupid Kadet? Yes.
Your entire comment is null and void because you are attempting to throw me off topic and force me to talk about a big white conspiracy to control the globe. As for the lack of indigenous people in politics, maybe it’s racism, probably not.
The population of Australia is fast approaching 21 million people. Indigenous Australians number only 500 thousand of that. Not only that but the majority of Aboriginals in Australia today have european characteristics as they have interbreeded as a result of time/past policies (such as the stolen generation). Ergo, it would be difficult to get a full blooded Aboriginal into parliament as very few now exist.
It could be a number of any things, don’t just assume its racism. That’s for the simple people.
The funny thing is, you think it makes you sound intelligent when you call other people morons. But trust me, it doesn’t.
Cheers!
smash da altar of patriarchy
Kadet why don’t [you] suck WizardofOz’s schlong?
wizardofoz (December 4):
wizardofoz (December 6):
D00d,
Thus far you’ve argued that your comments demonstrate that you’re an expression of the most pathetic side of human nature and that you should be put to death. As the great man said: the very idea that you are unique and everyone wants to listen to your moronic rants is laughable at best; nobody actually gives a shit what you think. Realise that changing someone’s opinion requires logic and evidence, of which you have neither.
In summary: dig UP, st00pid.
Firstly, ‘wizardofoz’, you are intent on convincing everybody here that engaging in argument on the internet is for “fuckwits”, that these “fuckwits” all apparently deserve to be “put to death”, and that “nothing [on the internet] is taken seriously”. You have demonstrated, with your persistent commenting and your obvious annoyance at being shown to be incorrect more than once that you are indeed taking the comments on this blog seriously (despite your pathetic posturing). Furthermore, you have shown yourself to be, by your own standards, a “fuckwit” who “deserves to be put to death”. I am willing to wholly agree with you on the former description.
Secondly, I never wrote that “all white people with wealth are racist”; you are putting words into my mouth. That statement was never made. Also, I never wrote that you “denied the existence of racism” – in fact, you seem to be wrongly accusing some of the people commenting on this blog of it, so in your mind it must exist. Stop trying to childishly distort my words.
Thirdly, your inability to grasp the concept of institutional racism (in relation to the discussion of white privilege) is alarming. People with white skin do not have to be racists themselves in order to be granted certain privileges within a society which is institutionally racist. It is quite clear that within this society, whiteness is often presented as the norm, and people of colour are often characterised as ‘the other’. People of colour are discriminated against in this society, both by individuals and institutionally. For example, mass media in Australia continue on a regular basis to present stereotyped and fallacious images of people of colour. One of many examples would be the recent stories about the alleged problem with ‘Sudanese gangs’ which have been printed in the Herald Sun and broadcast on the commercial news networks. These stories were based upon racist fear-mongering and xenophobic sentiments, quite often misrepresenting the facts or relying on complete fabrications. Another example would be the Howard government’s campaign against asylum seekers and refugees. And another example: in the Australian prison system, around 20 percent of the incarcerated people are indigenous, yet indigenous people make up only around 2.6% or the Australian population (in part, due to an ongoing genocide). These are just some of many examples of institutional racism against people of colour in Australia. It’s in the words, policies and the laws of our rulers; in the messages on our television sets; in the words printed in the newspapers; in the actions of the police in indigenous communities; and ultimately, it’s in the minds and the actions of the dupes to this racist system.
If you don’t understand what I mean by ‘white privilege’, here’s some elementary reading:
[?]
Sometimes, obviously, it might be the case that a poor white person might be more disadvantaged than a wealthier person of colour. In a case like that, the class privilege of the wealthier person is affording them more benefits than the white privilege of the poor person. This doesn’t negate the existence of white privilege. I also never stated that “there are no poor white people” – there quite obviously are.
Capitalism is a system in which we are divided into classes, and in which the ruling classes succeed in keeping us down by engendering false ideas like that of race, and subsequently, racism, which only serve to divide us and to fool us into thinking that we have more in common with our rulers than we do with our brothers and sisters of colour.
Lastly, in relation to nobody giving a shit about this blog, I think you should take a look at @ndy’s recent post. I for one think that this blog is great.
This is the last time I will be posting on this thread. I know that you’ll want to childishly get your last word in, but that won’t change the fact that you are an idiot and an ill-informed troll. Go and read a book, you fucking ignoramus.
Sorry, the links in the previous comment didn’t work:
Mediawatch on mass media coverage of ‘Sudanese gangs’: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNfTQf7CRZw
Elementary reading on white privilege and institutional racism for ‘wizardofoz’: http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/required-reading/
Evidence that people in fact do give a shit about this blog: http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=1483
Cheers
Sorry, i just dont have time or patience for an online pissing competition.
Too busy trying to put yourself to death eh?
Congratulations to the SCS morons – you have claimed your first victim. Tyler Cassidy was shot dead after running around with knives, threatening and attacking innocent people and screaming his fool head off. Tyler is one of your poster boys, he glorified violence and racism and loved the SCS and the whole “Australia for Australians” bullshit.
His devastated mother is now railing and whining about the police who were forced to shoot him after all other efforts to stop him being a threat to the public failed. Well, perhaps she should be looking at herself and then at the idiots who influenced her son and turned him into a raving lunatic who attacked and threatened members of the public on several occasions. Tyler was lost the moment he joined all you skin-heads, criminals and racists at SCS – BTW nothing could be more opposed to your vicious narrow-minded attitudes than the symbolism of the Southern Cross and the Eureka Flag, you are an insult to these symbols and to the Australian flag itself. How dare you hide behind it.
I’m not a boy and I’m a deadset proud Aussie and I love my country and hate seeing trash ruin it. If us young Aussies don’t stand up for our country then who will.
Aussie pride till I die!!!!!!!!
Hello, all
My name is Scott, I’m 22 and I was born in South Australia. My mother’s parents are immigrants from Holland. They came over to Australia after WW2, she was also born in SA. My father was born in SA and his family originally were Scottish and German.
I am also a very proud Aussie and would like to join SCS at some stage. I’ve just been reading this entire conversation and think all ppl here have good points…However noone is going to change anyone’s opinion here.
I currently live in Germany with my wife (she is German) and there are the same sort of problems here, Germany is full of ppl of Middle Eastern descent. I don’t think this is bad. I do think that we have to be careful though as showing pride and being patriotic can be interpreted as racist behaviour and I in no way consider myself a racist.
With Australia’s history we a long list of racist behaviour, we killed the Aborigines, we attacked the Chinese when they were here for the gold rush, we attacked the Irish, we attacked the Vietnamese when they came over, we attacked the Lebanese etc etc.
I don’t agree that this behaviour is acceptable in any way shape or form, however we must still be proud. Immigrants from whatever country have the right to live in peace and i am proud to have them in my country. I do not expect them to change their beliefs and cultures because they have been doing these things for ever. I do think they should respect Aussie beliefs and culture.
My father always taught me to respect people no matter what colour, race or creed.
When I was younger I had problems with Aborigines, they would bash me and take my money and whatever else I had. So I hated them. Then when I was in Adelaide the Asians attacked me as well. So I hated them too. I thought I had the right to hate them because they attacked me. However I went backpacking around Australia for 2 years and stayed in hostels all over Australia and met many ppl from different countries, especially Asians. I found these ppl to be some of the most friendly and caring ppl i have known. This changed my opinion. I also met lots of Aborigines in my travels and some of them are like brothers and sisters to me. So I can’t [hate] them either.
What I did learn is that there are assholes everywhere no matter colour. Every race colour and creed have assholes. That’s life. Something that we do have to watch is how we are interpreted, here in Germany it’s interesting. Since WW2 and the Nazi problems that came with Hitler, Germans CAN NOT openly display pride without have someone point a finger and yelling “Nazi!!!” I think this is bullshit. However it’s a natural progression of events. The punks and rockers and almost all the young people here display anti-nazi badges and shirts in the streets. If you claim to be a neo-nazi you will not survive 10 minutes in the street. I think this is a war that needs to be fought.
WW2 may be over, but the war of the streets is not. This war. I. Will. Fight. I don’t want it to happen to Australia, if we show a bit of Aussie pride I DO NOT WANT TO SEE PEOPLE POINTING FINGERS AT ME SAYING I’M RACIST coz I’ll break those fingers off and shove them up that person’s arse.
SCS are doing a good thing, I think it’s about time somebody did, SCS are not racist and are not promoters of violence and anyone that says otherwise is simple-minded.
Technically how many of us are Australian? My family are from all over the world and I call myself Aussie. Know what I mean. I think Aborigines have maybe more right than I to say that they are Australian after all it was their country, but to call us racist still today is not right. I think that it’s been long enough for us and them to get along, but this is another story. Everyone on this world has the same colour blood. Or? Yes, yes we do.
Anyway keep the pride up! I’m gonna order a hoody at some stage.
Scotty
email me @
scottallen1986@yahoo.com.au
PS. I think this argument here has gone long enough is it isn’t solving anything. I think its better if we agree to disagree…or?
Southern Cross Soldiers = Cowards.
No guts, no glory, no name, no faces, no history, no brains, just the influence of stupid parents.
Teresa:
The exact circumstances surrounding Tyler’s death have yet to be established, and are the subject of a coronial investigation. According to published accounts, however, he was not literally “running around with knives, threatening and attacking innocent people and screaming his fool head off”. As far as I’m aware, he attacked nobody — police claim he attempted to attack them, which is why they shot him dead.
The reaction of Tyler’s family to his death may be found in the statement they released to the public. They claim police were heavy-handed and that Tyler’s death could have been avoided had they adopted another approach. This argument has also been put forward by Father Peter Norden of the the Victorian Criminal Justice Coalition, “which represents more than 50 legal, academic and community service groups, [and] has called for an independent investigation”:
Guys im looking at starting a SCS crew in WA i have 12 good mates all bouncers in perth and are keen to start a chapter over here i want to put a stop to our Sovereignty getting diluted any further someone contact me asap scottdryland@hotmail.com
There’s nothing wrong with the SCS.. I wanna join
SCS all the way!!!!!1
To where?
I reckon the SCS contains a lot of losers, underachievers and lazy do-nothing layabouts who value little but themselves, their beer drinking and their cowardly gang bashing of non-whites. They Rah RAh RAH but achieve nothing but notoriety. Problems now surfacing from single mothers dragging up kids with a succession of fuck partners, lack of discipline at home and in school, and no real self respect.
And the courts are a joke as far as suitable sentencing is concerned.
I reckon that if kids have trouble with the cops twice they should go in for a month of real boot camp army workover, and the do-gooders should shut up if some little shit or shitess gets the crap knocked of them in a police cell. And if they have drugs on or in them, then it should be army boot camp for two months, second time six months real shit tropics boot camp army in a very isolated area so if they piss off they cark it through starvation and thirst. And they have to grow some of their food to exist; work hard in the garden, eat well. Slack arse and go hungry.
“patriots” – because you wrap yourselves in a couple of flags you obviously don’t understand the significance or history of? Because you confuse symbols with what they stand for?
“patriots” – because you have been suckered to act in the interests of exactly those people who would be happy to see you deprived of your freedoms and banged up for insurrection/terrorism the moment you have served their needs? (The Hun is going to have a field day jumping up and down on you lot, calling for tougher laws, banning SCS as terrorists, more police, and better guns)
“patriots” – because one of your number goes mental in my local shopping center and park against police (agents of the State you claim to be “patriotic” to)?
“patriots” – who can’t see that the G-20 and “globalisation” is a real cause of worldwide “Sovereignty getting diluted” (@Scotty)?
“patriots” – because you seem to think that mindless street thuggery is going to somehow “unite” Australians?
What this tragic incident with Tyler shows is that the so-called Southern Cross Soldiers are simply a bunch of totally clueless and easily manipulated drongos who are more of a danger to themselves than anything else.
The only difference between Tyler Cassidy and Julian Knight is that Tyler was stopped before he could kill a bunch of innocent bystanders.
Rebels without a cause. Thick as two short planks. While real Aussie patriots will be out fighting bushfires this summer, putting their lives on the line with no expectation of reward to save the homes of people they haven’t even met, you guys will be too busy playing video war games and tagging the local station.
It takes a lot more than getting pissed, wrapping yourself in a flag, and yelling “oi, oi, oi” to be a real Aussie patriot.
As @ndy says, “harden the fuck up” – and grow a brain and get a life while you’re at it.
Tyler Cassidy is six foot under. Worms eating his now green shriveled body, Eyes and brain melting out of his head.
OBEY THE LAW you stupid pricks and quit this bullshit White pride contest. Or you to can expect 45. bullets punching holes through your lungs.
PS. We know exactly who you are: middle class white boys with too much testosterone and not enough brain cells who think a draft is a type of beer and live off mummy and daddy’s paychecks whilst you go off partying every night hoping to score as many “roots” as possible.
Sounds like a cult of racist Corey Worthingtons minus the glasses.
A cursory look at TC’s MySpace page suggests that his circle were mainly under-achievers. The Gazzas are more dangerous, since they don’t have the extreme difficulties with the english language that TC’s commenters appear to have (and isn’t that ironic, since “speak English can’t yer” is one of the ideas dear to the racist heart.) The Tylers crash and burn and do damage in a small circle. Gazzas propagate the ideology further before their frothing wingnuttery brings their career down.
Hey.
The majority of you have no idea, And of those trying to correspond with us SCS, You come across as twits with no clue.
If there is no real meaning to Australia, “uni twat”, if this place is just some lines on a map (even though the coast does constitute a natural border), abitrarily drawn by “some colonialist” (ie, the people who discovered, and built, this country). then why are so many people falling over themselves to come here?
No-one is migrating to Somalia, no-one is migrating to India, precious few are migrating to China.
And no-one is migrating here to live in a humpy with Aboriginals and go hunting wallabies either.
They are pouring in to a country, built throughout it’s most crucial time since foundation, and throughout the vital struggle of the first century and a half by British people…by Celts – Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Cornish, and the English.
Though there were foreigners here going back quite some time…the Chinese, for example, they were always ultra-minorities, who were a part of Australian society.
Australia was from the start a British colony, was throughout the better part of it’s history, and still is!
No-one who has since come here built the country, and in the absence of these migrants, and/or refugees, the true character of Australia would not change one jot.
And for the few trite benefits brought by foreigners, the vast amount of problems outweigh any advantages brought about by a tidal wave of smug, inconsiderate, greedy people into our country…the country that our forefathers ACTUALLY BUILT.
It’s very easy for trendy, trouble-making, university “educated” types…devoid of any actual ideas, creativity, or integrity…to piss around calling anyone who speaks up for Australia “racist”, while kowtowing to all these foreigners, who…perish the thought…could never actually do anything bad to anyone.
Go hang around Footscray, or many other spoiled neighbourhoods, and see just how bad these people can be…and they make no bones about it.
“Funny” as well, that all these self deprecating, traitorous, “politically correct” “liberals” go to great pains to hold up these shining, can’t do a thing wrong, foreigners…on the internet…which was invented and developed by white men.
Australia has become, or to be more truly correct, been forced to become, “multi-cultural”…when for the greater, and better, part of it’s history it was NOT.
And anyway, the true issue is race (even though that is now a taboo subject), not culture, or ethnicity. All culture is essentially identical…it is what unites the bulk of humanity.
I’ve heard people say through barely comprehensible accents…”doesn’t matter now, Australia…all the same”.
Well…NO…not “all the same”…some people actually BUILT this country.
Go catch a train on the Sydenham line (or any other line for that matter)…and try and actually spot a white face, try and actually find a true Australian.
Herein is the awful harbinger of this nation’s future destruction.
Every other race/nationality who comes here…are coming here to live with the white Australians…in the old Australia…they are NOT coming here with the intention of competing with other races or nationalites (who they unabashedly hate!) in a messy “multi-cultural” “melting pot”…yet, with each boat and plane load, and with each generation who grow up here, and fill up the private schools…they actually destroy the country they intended to come and be a part of/use up…and if, or when, one of these nationalities gets the upper hand…watch out!
Australia was, and should still be…a white, British, country.
That is who BUILT this country…that is who MADE this country.
That cannot be forgotten.
SKOT
Don’t listen to their politics or employ their bullshit laws
You never ask why
Don’t get caught up in the civil war which your rulers hope to cause
Don’t listen to these bastards, don’t listen to their lies
Take your fucking race war and shove it up your ass
It’s fucking propaganda dispensed by the ruling class
Don’t listen to these bastards, don’t listen to their lies
In spite of everything you know, you’re still playing their game
When you support these fucking bastards the results remain the same
The starving are still hungry
The suffering in pain
The poor still have no money
While the rich drink their champagne
‘When you support these fucking bastards’ by Aus-Rotten
SCS = scared. using race as a cover for all their little insecurities and fears.
Australian flag = nothing to be proud of, just a cloth forced upon us by a racist empire.
I’m white… I’m Australian… and I’m sure as hell not proud to be associated with you morons.
Aussie fucken pride that is what [it] is all about. Every time you hear the national anthem you choke up and swell with pride, every time you look at the flag hanging in your garage or bar, fuck yeah. i support you boys all the way, fuck the lebo shit or anyone who doesnt want to be an aussie. we didnt invite you, you came here. if you dont like it … FUCK OFF!!!
[SKOT : thanx v much for yr superlative contributions on the hot-button topic of the virtues of empire loyalism c.1900. i suggest that you now join one of the many other internet forums dedicated to discussing this intriguing and highly relevant subject. xthanxbye]
Racist Empire?
And the first ‘race’ to suffer under this Empire was the Celtic people of Britain.
We suffered, and can’t get out of it…why should all these selfish, obnoxious masses get out of it, and make what they can out of Australia, sand [ie, sans] any effort, or actual right to?!
The Celtic Britons then became many of the prime movers, the explorers, the thinkers, the meat and potatoes, and the crack troops, of this Empire.
The British Empire then brought much to the world.
Most of the ‘modern’ world[']s education, political and legal system is based upon the British model, and the former colonies of the Empire are ALL still in the Commonwealth.
If you don’t like the fruits of this “racist” Empire “tomx”…then leave, go to a less racist nation, like India, China, Sudan, or Japan, for instance…see if you get past the front door…and if so, how long you last.
Great Britain actually should re-take direct control of her former Empire, it would solve a lot of the strife troubling the world today.
How could the Australian flag be “foistered” on us BY the British Empire???
Australia was STARTED by the British Empire, was an integral part of the Empire, and settled by Imperial British people!
Our insecurities and fears are NOT “little”…and let’s talk about the weaknesses of those little “liberals”, who lack intellect, emotion, integrity and purpose…and cover it with the monotonal parrotting of “liberal” “PC” diatribe…
Things were much better when Britain ruled the world.
The British Empire will rise again!
SKOT
hey rolls and everyone else who doesn’t agree with any of us supporting our flag. i don’t have a southern cross tattoo or any tattoo for that matter, i just love the country i live in and my grandfather and my father didn’t put their lives on the line (and i’m waiting for my turn) for a minority to silence us just because of OUR beliefs. they have their turn, but as soon as we have ours, we get shut down. think about it…
One of the most amusing things about these comments is the way the SCS boys have claimed that @ndy’s blogging is a waste of time, that no-one wants to read his work, yet for two weeks they’ve been coming back to talk to him.
I’ve had some dealings with the SCS boys in the past. Mostly it involved them telling me to “Go back to your own country” and getting pissed off and throwing beer bottles at me when I point out that all but two of the non-Koori members of my family have been citizens of Australia since the 1850s.
Union Jack? Thall’s Cac!
I see the colours – red, white and blue
I’m not proud of them – I’m fuckin’ ashamed
Imperialism and racism – that’s what they symbolise
The Butcher’s Apron – I’m gonna puke
I see this flag and I’m filled with anger
There’s only one flag we need – the black and red flag!
The only flag we need is black and red
The black and red flag! The black and red flag!
Union Jack? What a load of fucking shite!
Union Jack? Get to fuck!
The London government keeping us under control
With laws and regulations choking us like asthma
The bastards in Westminster treating us like shit
Freedom for Scotland! Freedom for Iraq!
Let’s pour Santorum over the Union Jack
The Butcher’s Apron covered in shite
Let’s pour Santorum all over the Union Jack
Let’s pour Santorum – let’s pour Santorum all over the -
Union Jack? What a load of fucking shite!
Union Jack? Get to fuck!
Union Jack? What a load of fucking shite!
Union Jack? Get to fuck!
Oi Polloi…
‘S e còmhlan-ciùil punc a th’ annain, stèidhichte ann an Dùn Eideann ann an Alba. Tha an ceathrar againn a tha a’ cluich anns a’ chòmhlan an-dràsta air a bhith còmhla airson barrachd na ceithir bliadha a-nis ach thòisich an còmhlan ann an 1981. Tha sinn air iomadh clàr’s turas a dhèanamh bhon uair sin agus tha sinn fhathast a’ rocadh gu cruaidh – cùm sùil a-mach air ar son san sgìre agad fhèin agus thig gar faicinn aig na cuirmean-ciùil. Sìth’s saorsa!
Australian flag = nothing to be proud of, just a cloth forced upon us by a racist empire.
I’m white… I’m Australian… and I’m sure as hell not proud to be associated with you morons.
You’re the people I want to ship off. White liberal guilt has wrought all the wrongs. As far as I’m concerned the ethnics can stay but you gotta go.
OK, so I said I wouldn’t comment on this post again but seriously, ‘SKOT’, you are batshit insane. Your ideas about Australian society are stuck back in the 18th century. I’m not even going to address most of your claims, because the sheer ignorance and bigotry of your words speak for themselves. The ‘British Empire’ will not ‘rise again’. You are seriously delusional.
And your comment about the border – sure, the coast of the mainland of Australia does “constitute a natural border”, but what about Tasmania and the other 8221 islands that fall within Australia’s maritime borders? Clearly the territory which is labeled as Australia has borders which were arbitrarily inscribed on a map by British colonialists. They didn’t just appear out of thin air. And furthermore, I don’t really agree with your whole narrative of “discovery”. Firstly, how can you be the first to ‘discover’ a region which is already inhabited by humans? Secondly, if you are referring to European ‘discovery’, it was the Dutch and not the British who were the first Europeans to ‘discover’ Australia, so you are wrong anyway.
Furthermore, to characterise non-white immigrants as “a tidal wave of smug, inconsiderate, greedy people” is just disgusting.
And to claim that “All culture is essentially identical” – what the fuck are you on about?
The history of European imperialism is a history of the systematic destruction of numerous cultures, the enslavement of millions, violence, genocide and arrogance. It is nothing to be celebrated.
Seriously, I don’t even know why I am engaging in dialogue with you.
Your chauvinism and xenophobic bigotry makes me feel physically ill, and is devoid of all logic or reason. Fuck off.
Jamie R: “As far as I’m concerned the ethnics can stay but you gotta go.”
Pfft. ‘ave a go ya mug.
Aussie chick
:
“…I love my country and hate seeing trash ruin it.”
You mean, like, you’re opposed to the new mill Gunns wanna build in Tassie? Or, like, you’re concerned about the lack of action on the part of the Government and corporate sector? Regarding reducing emissions of carbon dioxide? In order to avert the absolutely disastrous effects global warming? Will have? And is having? On the natural environment?
Yeah?
Pig’s arse.
Pfft. ‘ave a go ya mug.
If Carl Williams has taught us anything…. figure the rest of the quote out from the Godfather films yourself. Anyways, the media and the politicians would love to see ‘whites’ attacking ‘ethnics’ because it puts them right in the driver’s seat in the shitfight for the Moral High-Ground. But if you w[a]nt to bring back the biff on them… Time to change those underpants self-appointed elites.
And for further measure, modern racism was invented by none other than Charles Darwin for you science-loving Church haters. It’s curious they discarded the title of his landmark book that spurred forward the Richard Dawkins’ of this era: ‘The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life’. Hmm, and here I thought White Christian Males – particularly in America but here too – were the racists, all along it’s been the heathens!
And oh yeah, if you decide to read the bible for laughs I suggest checking out the story of the Tower of Babylon. It’s a good take on multi-culturalism methinks.
You’re about 100 years behind the times Jamie. Check Kropotkin’s Mutual Aid.
You’ve been listening to the rong radio.
And we will stop you. Because we are everywhere.
Where the fuck do you find these nutjobs, Andrew?
From the Department of Applied Stoopidity, Faculty of the Yartz, David Duke University, Out-the-Back-of-Don-Black’s-Place, Florida.
And we will stop you. Because we are everywhere.
It’s okay Indy, in this world the way it is I’m sure you will. You can be rest-assured that I don’t give a DAMN about your fate or the kingdom of Australia’s fate. Someone out there does but it’s not me. Like all kingdoms throughout history there is a strong likelihood that one day Australia, too, will disappear into history. The kingdom I chose to be a part of, is not of this world.
So now you can go back to building your tower of unity and love and stuff, in one part of the world. I’ll slink off into the night before you Romans decide it’s time to feed me to the lions.
Jamie is a recent graduate from the Religious Studies (Christianity) Department.
Jamie is a recent graduate from the Religious Studies (Christianity) Department.
Well if you’re going to try to do funny this wanker can stick around a bit longer – famous last words of…someone I dunno. So yeah, I’m the Taliban of the West, and you’ve got your George W Bush hat on, fire away! You know you guys wouldn’t be so bad if you didn’t think you weren’t behaving exactly like your enemies. What goes around comes around and that’s why life sucks sometimes, a better philosopher um, Jesus? Said picking up the sword will get you more sword action your way, but it’s funny cause you’re too stupid to know how stupid you are!
Jamie: Do not think that I came to send peace upon the blogosphere: I came not to send peace, but the sword.
I came not to send peace, but the sword.
You know he meant dividing his followers from the riff raff when he said that? Why I get to sit back and watch you lefties go at the righties munching the popcorn. Bit of a shame, we don’t get to hang out! You don’t CALL you don’t VISIT I got the BLUES. But! It’s pretty cool when I get folks quoting the bible, someone should have placed a bet with me I would have won $5, then I could have gave it to the Leave David Hicks Alone charity, hmm, I think I just got an idea for ripping off the Leave Britney Alone vid hope no one’s done it… (And I can call you Indy can’t I? I can’t be stuffed doing the shift thing to get the at thing going. You fancy internets kings with your fancy handles.)
Jamie R: “And for further measure, modern racism was invented by none other than Charles Darwin for you science-loving Church haters. ”
Hahahahaha! I was wondering when a nutter like you would appear! It’s always funny to see fundies spreading that old chestnut of “Darwin was racist!” Especially when you read his writings and notice that he was often ridiculed in his day for making the outlandish suggestion that black people the world over deserve freedom, that an end to slavery would be a great thing for Britain to achieve, and that (in his own words) “It may be doubted whether any character can be named which is distinctive of a race and is constant.” (The Descent of Man, 1871)
Especially when you read his writings
Um, like the title of his FREAKIN LANDMARK BOOK? How many ways can you slice ‘the preservation of the favoured races’ before you go well hey, the initial reaction is wrong, this is not about racism OBVIOUSLY.
It’s also funny how you’re quick to just call Christians what is it? ‘Fundies’ and ‘Loons’ and all manner of insults, and you know, if I dressed the Lebanese or Asians up as Christians, you’d be behaving exactly like those people you want to stop, you know the intolerant bigots!
Your mask can be seen through once you present some double standards for them to make fools of themselves with. It is no surprise that Race as a term and a movement begun growing exponentially after Darwin’s poisonous ideas became apparent to all and sundry in Europe, and allowed them to drop the bible and believe in Race and Evolution to save people(s) rather than God. Someone warned us that by their fruits you’ll know them, well you keep trying to polish up that rotten apple. I’ll go check myself into the mental hospital okay?
Hey Indy, I decided to play that song you put up, and I just have to say, you listen to some really shit music. But lucky for you like Rick James I have the remedy bitches.
Hello again,
And, expressly, hello again to “uni twat”.
[Goodbye!]
White Aussies are good. But when people ask me “what’s the difference between [a] white aussie and FUCKING WHITE TRASH” then I have a fairly different answer for them.
You SCS fuckwads trying to “unite” this nation by stripping away multiculturalism only unites your own WHITE TRASH COCKS.
Don’t forget that most P-platers, drink drivers, dumb fucks who wanna get themselves killed (and breed themselves out of existence) belong to the category of FUCKING WHITE TRASH (which is a separate category from the cool White Aussies).
Here’s the bottom line: Don’t bother calling yourself Australian (“Oh, look I’m a patriot coz I’m discriminating against other humans”) until you can accept all ethnic minorities as equal to you.
Why did Indy get to post his You Tube video and my New Jack Swing vid didn’t go through. I was starting to enjoy it here. And I’ve been doing plenty of reading, amazing what you find out when you go into the Aussie uni section of the internets, I mean how are you supposed to understand how every bastard is living? Well you Victorians continue to be esteemed as the Frenchmen of Australia with the bloody thousands of branches of culture going in every direction possible. I’m surprised the entire city hasn’t collapsed under its own weight of idiocy. And here I thought it was simply the sporting capital of Australia with a huge drug habit. I’ll have to check out this Melbourne Anarchist Club when I’m in town, makes me wonder what I should wear though? I mean you don’t wear a suit to a goth party so what the heck would I wear to an Anarchy club, nothing?
“Why did Indy get to post his You Tube video and my New Jack Swing vid didn’t go through.”
No vids get posted. It’s how the software works.
“…so what the heck would I wear to an Anarchy club, nothing?”
Nothing up your sleeve.
Nothing up your sleeve.
I jumped into the fray after TGI Friday beers, I didn’t know this joint was in the middle of a supposed anarchist/neo-nazi internets battle, which reminded me of the Wing Kong/Chang Sings battle from Big Trouble In Little China, except retarded. After further study I think both sides have demonstrated public displays of batshit crazy antics which are prone to sporadic bouts of violence and dirty tactics. But I think I get the foundations behind the Chaser crew now. I consider myself close to the anarcho-capitalist view of libertarianism, so anarchists intrigue me, even if anarcho-communism is arguably the most schizophrenic idea to attempt to put into economic practice of all things.
As David Letterman once said, “There is no off position on the genius switch.”
i don’t understand why these “southern cross soldiers” claim that they own australia just because they are fully ‘australian’.
i think they need to go through their family history because every person (except for the aborigines and those who have aboriginal blood in them) don’t have any TRUE australian blood.
Patriotism and Racism are two different things so let me explain.
Patriotism: I love Australia!
Racism: I Love Australia when I don’t see any other people that don’t speak my language or look different or have a sense of culture!
the only people that truly own the beautiful land we live on are the aborigines, and they didn’t speak english and they definitely aren’t white.
please re-educate yourselves and stop giving white aussies a bad name.
soon you’ll make the rest of the world think we are a bunch of Racist Bogans that all dropped out of school.
i wrote the same thing here before and on the facebook site, i dont however after reading this entire con[ver]sation for 2 hours disagree with them. i will join SCS, if the[y] will accept [me] and i will … become a soldier of my nation, supporting patriots. however the SCS must understand that i am supporting them because they are pat[r]iots not because they will be racist and/or push the borderlines between the nazi party and the “i[']m a pat[r]iot of australia” party. if they do not push this line … i will accept an email from anybody in their group… Scotty
Ah, Scotty? Mate? The arguments about the absolute stupidity of patriotism aside, the racist “border lines” have already been pushed, if you include racially-based assaults. TIP: Normal people consider picking fights and bashing someone because of their race as pretty racist – even if you’re wearing a flag like a cape at the time.
I wrote quite a long, detailed, and impassioned piece last night… yet I now find it drastically, to say the least, edited.
Seems there are in fact very stringent limits to “free” speech amongst the self appointed liberal “elite”?
Anything actually intelligently written, that doesn’t fit the current status quo, is very quickly swept under the rug.
Always “funny” that those who claim “nothing matters”, and that there is “no right and no wrong”…come up with some fabricated notions of what is “wrong”.
It would be really good if you could in fact post my most recent comments, for the sake of decent discussion, and so “uni twat”’s vulgar comments aren’t left to colour the interpretation, or misinterpretation, of mine.
Malcolm X said, “they take one little thing you say, blow it all out of proportion, ignore all the rest…to make you look like what you, in fact, are not…”
Australia IS Australia…there were people who started and built Australia, that is the truth.
The legacy to be inherited by those people’s, who went through many troubled times, descendents, cannot be allowed to be so easily spoilt.
The question must be asked…WHY do so many people now wish to come to Australia?…WHAT is the Australia that they actually intend to come to?
And the realisation arrived at…that those people coming here will actually destroy that Australia…and that’s already under way…but it is not yet too late to stem the tide.
SKOT
that Ana that posted that comment above is not me @ndy, reads like a pig
yep. same name, different person.
push the border lines between the nazi party and the “Im a patiot of australia” party
You can’t be a Modern Nazi and also be an Australian. It’s as simple as that. It’s a German nationalist and imperialist movement, it’s like Russians coming here and claiming the roots of Australia are theirs, it makes no sense, it ignores our military history, it’s simply, retarded. Also, my father fought Communists and my grandfather fought the Nazis, anyone who thinks we should be either of those two ideologies is unzipping their fly and pissing on the tens of thousands of diggers that died at their hands. So, if this SCS is ‘Patriotic’ it first needs to clarify and/or openly go to war with any Neo-Nazi elements inside it, dropping the ‘Soldier’ part might I suggest would also drop the eyebrows of those claiming you’re some sort of Aussie Blackshirts, and if you don’t know what calling you ‘blackshirts’ means, pick up a book before a weapon, please. You really need to be educated in our history and key events in world history to make a real difference. You don’t have to be a brain surgeon you just have to be passionate to want to learn on your own.
the racist “border lines” have already been pushed, if you include racially-based assaults.
I’m sure there are plenty of ‘Mental Giants’ doing it in the name of Race out there, but this isn’t actually about race, it is about culture and what foreign cultural elements are successfully merging with an Australian cultural identity to enrich it. If teenagers of different backgrounds are fighting over that shit do we really need to take rebellious teenage activities seriously, when the hell did that happen?
Aside from the fact that I highly doubt anyone in the neo-nazi movement has a degree in evolutionary biology, there are plenty of people who are not of Anglo background that have merged and therefore assimilated, and by assimilated I mean end result is culturally Australian – like, random examples, Nick Giannopoulos and Hung Le. Which means it’s possible for anyone. Although I argue harder and take much more time (sometimes too long for the patience of locals including mine, and a view held by some of our former leaders such as first Prime Minister Edmund Barton), because of highly disparate laws (or basically no laws), language, culture, and customs they are adjusting from.
There are definitely real and ongoing cultural clashes continuing out there, perceptions of being antagonistic – whichever side – is what can create issues. Obviously the example of the Lebanese in Sydney is at the forefront. Aussies need to realise that it’s not actually about a scientific racial genetic lineage of ‘Arab’ or the culture of ‘terrorists’, and young Lebanese need to learn that it’s not about ‘Aussie racism’ but rather how would they feel as a community back in Lebanon if they witnessed, or the media was reporting, about brash Aussie ethnics who beat up a kebab shop owner and told the locals to shove it while scheming on young Lebanese women.
Skot… I think you may need to have a Cornetto and harden the fuck up.
SKOT:
You may find your ideas about Empire Loyalism exciting, but I do not. I find them, quite frankly, bizarre. A more appropriate forum for discussion regarding How The British Can Get Their Empire Back is the Australian League of Rights, not a blog by an Australian anarchist.
Seems there are in fact very stringent limits to “free” speech amongst the self appointed liberal “elite”?
Yes, there are ‘limits’. In Australia, these are given by law, by custom, and by access. Other than the fact that I’m an not appointed by anyone to anything, a liberal, or a member of an elite, your description of myself as being part of a self-appointed liberal elite is entirely accurate.
Anything actually intelligently written, that doesn’t fit the current status quo, is very quickly swept under the rug.
Huh? I allow all sorts of comments to be published, including those made by self-described fascists, and containing all sorts of bizarre and often offensive claims. Prattling on about the virtues of empire — any empire — is not a sign of intelligence, but childish belief in historical myth. If you truly wish to Let the World Know Why Empire is Ace and Loyalism is Grouse, rock the status quo by publishing your views online. Like, say, in a blog.
Always “funny” that those who claim “nothing matters”, and that there is “no right and no wrong”…come up with some fabricated notions of what is “wrong”.
I’ll have the mushroom risotto. Thanks.
Sorry SKOT, what were you saying?
It would be really good if you could in fact post my most recent comments, for the sake of decent discussion, and so “uni twat”’s vulgar comments aren’t left to colour the interpretation, or misinterpretation, of mine.
No, it would be silly. The post is about the SCS, Australian nationalism, and race. Readers are free to interpret what they read as they wish, and according to their own prerogatives.
Malcolm X said, “they take one little thing you say, blow it all out of proportion, ignore all the rest…to make you look like what you, in fact, are not…”
Malcolm X said many interesting things. This is one of the many aspects of his life which distinguishes it from your contribution to this discussion.
Australia IS Australia…there were people who started and built Australia, that is the truth.
What are you? Fucking channeling Ayn Rand? ‘Australia’ is many things to many people. What it means to the teenage boys who find SCS attractive is what is most germane.
The legacy to be inherited by those people’s, who went through many troubled times, descendents, cannot be allowed to be so easily spoilt.
What? By illiterate teenagers?
The question must be asked…WHY do so many people now wish to come to Australia?…WHAT is the Australia that they actually intend to come to?
Yeah d00d. People study it and shit. Try reading a book. From White Australia to Woomera by James Jupp (Cambridge University Press, 2002) for a start.
And the realisation arrived at…that those people coming here will actually destroy that Australia…and that’s already under way…but it is not yet too late to stem the tide.
Alternatively, make like an Aussie, and grab a fucking surfboard.
Tiocfaidh ár Lá,
ANGLO-CELTIC @NDY.
Dr. Cam…Dr ?
Have a Cornetto?
Yes, I like Cornettos…
And harden, the f**k, up?
I’m “hard” enough…I keep fit, I work out, I work hard…but why should I harden up?
I don’t want to go along with this ever more cynical, sarcastic, harsh “society”.
I’ve got a thin skin, thankfully…and I’ll soften up, thank you very much.
The question could then be asked…why don’t those who come here, and who then may encounter some annoyance, and even resist[a]nce, to their conceit, harden up?
Why don’t people “harden up” in their own countries, before running off to Australia?
I’m hard, and I’m soft…kind of the way a man ought to be.
Now, @ndy.
Did I say that Empire loyalism was exciting?
No.
I did explain some of the complexities, and contradictions, that brought about the British Empire…and that via fair means and foul, right and wrong, in the great wash up, the peoples of Britain DID carve out an Empire.
And Australia was, and should still be, [a] shining example of such.
An Australian anarchist?
Anarchists really didn’t invent, or develop the internet, you know?
Though I am quite the fan of the Sufi-’anarchist’ Hakim Bey.
Originally, anarchism meant a “society without leaders”, and most original societies were along that line, a society of equals, in which people knew their responsibility, real anarchy actually requires real discipline! However, for too long now, “anarchism” has meant a lot of spitting, throwing stuff around, troublemaking…all until the “anarchists” grow up, sober up, and get a job at daddy’s firm.
And, so “funny”, so ironic, that an “anarchist”, so spiteful towards the British Empire, then draws upon laws, a legal system that are BASED UPON British Law!
As the legal systems of most former colonies are!
I never said the Empire was ‘ace’…but outright denial of it, as you so biasedly espouse, is horrendous.
Funny enough, I don’t mind Ayn Rand!
Neal Peart was labelled a “fascist” for being inspired by her.
And now you’ve got me thinking about the Ayn Rand childcare centre in an episode of The Simpsons!
I cannot stress this enough…Australia IS Australia…or, to be more precise, Australia WAS Australia…there was a real model, that only afterward could become “many things to many people”…and all too often the WRONG thing to too many people!
No.
Australia is meant to be inherited by the descendents of those who made it…if any are illiterate, then let’s get them back into literacy class!
I’m not sure what to make of your glib statement there…I do love the beach, I love swimming, and bodysurfing, and I am a budding surfer.
Please, don’t try and smugly fob off what you know I am saying.
Your last line, your “tag line”, is woefully misdirected, and terribly offensive.
Now, excepting if you actually are a child of an English-Irish/Welsh/Cornish or Scottish marriage…there is NO SUCH THING as “Anglo-Celtic”.
Asides from us both being derived from the Indo-European peoples [no apostrophe]…there is a major difference between us Celts, and the Germanic Anglo-Saxons!
SKOT
And why stop mid-way with that sarcastic risotto bit?
How are Malcolm X’s words that I quoted, now ‘distinguished’ from my contribution to this discussion?
And what would you know about Malcolm X, or his life, anyway?
Funny enough, I don’t mind Ayn Rand.
Neal Peart was labelled a “fascist” for being inspired by her.
Australia IS Auatralia…or, more precisely, Australia WAS Australia…before it became “many things to many people”…and usually the wrong thing!
I do love the beach, and I’m a bidding surfer.
There is NO SUCH thing as “Anglo-Celtic”!
Excepting if your parents are of either group.
Though we are both derived from the Indo-European peoples…there is a major difference between us Celts, and the Germanic Anglo-Saxons!
SKOT
“I’m hard, and I’m soft…kind of the way a man ought to be”
So gay.
FFS…
“I did explain some of the complexities, and contradictions, that brought about the British Empire…and that via fair means and foul, right and wrong, in the great wash up, the peoples of Britain DID carve out an Empire. And Australia was, and should still be, [a] shining example of such.”
No, you didn’t. You presented a fairly tale: history reduced to a truncated series of one-liners. Yeah, there was a British Empire. Yeah, Australia was established as a penal colony.
Three cheers and a loud huzzah.
Australia was shat out.
According to Rear Admiral Jules Sébastien César Dumont d’Urville I live in Oceania. Partly as a result of imperialist rivalry in Europe in the late eighteenth century, I live in ‘Australia’, the world’s smallest, and driest, continent, southeast of Asia between the Pacific and Indian oceans.
As Robert Hughes noted (The Fatal Shore, p.66):
p.160:
p.1:
As some body called Karl once wrote:
EUREKA!
Why do you grovel and lick their boots?
To put it another way: kiss my Anglo-Celtic arse.
END OF STORY
PS.
The Sick Bed of Cúchulaínn
(Shane MacGowan)
McCormack and Richard Tauber are singing by the bed
There’s a glass of punch below your feet and an angel at your head
There’s devils on each side of you with bottles in their hands
You need one more drop of poison and you’ll dream of foreign lands
When you pissed yourself in Frankfurt and got syph down in Cologne
And you heard the rattling death trains as you lay there all alone
Frank Ryan bought you whiskey in a brothel in Madrid
And you decked some fucking blackshirt who was cursing all the Yids
At the sick bed of Cúchulaínn we’ll kneel and say a prayer
And the ghosts are rattling at the door and the devil’s in the chair
And in the Euston Tavern you screamed it was your shout
But they wouldn’t give you service so you kicked the windows out
They took you out into the street and kicked you in the brains
So you walked back in through a bolted door and did it all again
At the sick bed of Cúchulaínn we’ll kneel and say a prayer
And the ghosts are rattling at the door and the devil’s in the chair
You remember that foul evening when you heard the banshees howl
There was lousy drunken bastards singing “Billy In The Bowl”
They took you up to midnight mass and left you in the lurch
So you dropped a button in the plate and spewed up in the church
Now you’ll sing a song of liberty for blacks and paks and jocks
And they’ll take you from this dump you’re in and stick you in a box
Then they’ll take you to Cloughprior and shove you in the ground
But you’ll stick your head back out and shout “We’ll have another round”
At the graveside of Cúchulaínn we’ll kneel around and pray
And God is in His heaven, and Billy’s down by the bay
Yeah, and what are the chances of that happening?
But Andy quoted (about Eureka):
It’s not that weird imho. From memory (of reading this stuff in high school), some of the participation in the rebellion was fueled by anti-Chinese sentiment, a sentiment that remained in the Union movement until, well, it’s still going in part. Victoria passed the Chinese Immigration Regulation Act not long after. One of the symbols of the Eureka rebellion (the flag) was appropriated and bastardised into the “anti-Chinese” flag used in NSW on the gold fields just a few years later. It kind of looks like the Confederate flag crossed with the Eureka flag and a circus poster.
My point being, SKOT, that the sad attempts at drawing a singular, linear narrative of nation building to makes you look like a moron. Why can’t you just barrack for a footy team like normal people?
Creepy.
SKOT is now combining the two worst abuses on the Internet: caps and unnecessary quotation marks. This shit will not stand.
Well to both anarchists and nationalists here, on immigration, some important things to consider:
Much like how they predicted the outcome of fascism and nazism before it actually happened, they also have predicted an end to the ’spend and consume’ ideology that has grown and grown in the West since the 1980s. These men are of the Austrian School of Economics. They advocate such crazy things as working and producing and saving rather than borrowing and spending and outsourcing. And the problem has been that a decadent Western elite has sold out the world to their pursuit of both greed and power. And Australia has been sold out to their worldwide scheme too.
Now here’s the good part, pro-business right wing nationalists in particular, but also left-wingers who think we do immigration out of a desire to show the world we can be one:
A significant amount of the immigration into this country has always been to serve the corporatists, who are aligned with government and both scratch each other’s backs at our expense. An example was in the media not so long ago, McDonald’s up in a Queensland town close to mines was saying no one wanted to work at McDonald’s, they said it’s a major issue because people are getting taken by the miners. So in come Phillipino immigrants assisted by the government to get those jobs filled! But what really happened? McDonald’s has set wages and they will not raise them to make those jobs more attractive in such a competitive jobs environment, this cuts into profits and/or their viability to continue operating there. Why should McDonald’s close up in this town because they can’t make a good profit from paying higher wages than elsewhere to workers? That hurts McDonald’s, they might get other wage claims! Macca’s is a multi-national corporation and it’s easy to lean on government to keep things the way they want them. So in come people who will work for the wages they set and won’t whinge and complain.
So when you hear the media tell us immigration helps grow the economy, that slogan in particular, then think about the alliance between business and government.
Companies want to continue undermining the existing labouring population’s rights and wages, for instance BHP and Rio Tinto don’t want to use their massive profits to fund education and skills-training of Aussies when they get shortages from new growth, that’s for taxpayers, we educate BHP’s best and brightest they don’t, and where we don’t, and there always seems to be a lot of ‘don’ts’ for those companies, well they get it elsewhere and at a much cheaper price, because they tell government to bend the law to help them.
Do you know where those big profits, instead, go? Corporate executives who dine around the world *for the business*, who holiday, who do drugs, who live it up with high-class hookers, who get drunk off their perceived importance, intelligence, and power. I recall the Coles CEO in 1997, who had a productive workforce that got out the work on time, good on them! Well the CEO just skimmed profits off the top and renovated his mansion. He got caught, but I ask, how many don’t?
So the shit-fighting between nationalists and anarchists continues, but really, you by principle should be looking at the same people and saying, hey….wait a minute?
PS None of you guys have a private plane where you can fly the Prime Minister out to your mines in Western Australia, pour him a glass of champagne, and tell him what you want…and then get it.
PPS Now you know why I sympathise with both anarchists and nationalists, but it’s because of a dislike for our government and the elites beyond our shores who they align with, not people like us regular folks including those immigrants who don’t see these games either, we’re all pawns baby!
PPPS Both anarchism and nationalism is on the rise around the world, because the fatcats have destroyed the current system with their greed and power-games. The Austrian School of Economics is, once again, getting it right.
PPPPS Dr. Cam is pretty funny, there is, typically, nothing to fear from people who have a sense of humour, think about that nationalists. See British mockery of Nazis in WWII, then see Nazis inability to understand, or have, a sense of humour at all.
The Austrian School of Economics: a bad joke. They advocate such crazy things as laissez-faire capitalism, in the most histrionic terms, and with predictably disastrous outcomes for all but the very rich.
Immigration to Australia has always been governed by Government policy; first British, then Australian, and had as its central concern the provision of labour. In other words, to suit the needs of capital. As the needs of capital changes, so too does Government policy.
On McDonald’s:
Filipino workers (and workers generally) have served in this capacity for many years: approximately 10 or 11 million are ‘Overseas Filipino Workers’, in permanent but largely temporary capacities, in countries all over the world.
This is not news.
You appear to assume that I’m an economic, historical, philosophical and political illiterate.
I am not.
If you think that I’m not aware of basic features of the world economy such as capitalist exploitation, the global division of labour, or inequalities of wealth, you’re wrong.
If anarchists are for anarchy, then Murray Rothbard is an important figure in its history at the least. There are certainly some in the Austrian School who should be over at the Chicago School with Milton Friedman. I mean Rothbard took the school’s teachings and led them to an Individualist Anarchist conclusion. This is not good?
capitalist exploitation
The correct term is corporatist exploitation, I mean America and Australia and other such economies are very much corporatist to the core, and corporatism is defined as the merging of big business and big government to exploit industries and workers for the profit and power of the few. Other small businesses form around this special clique but it remains a shell game and workers have little rights because of it.
A very good example was in the USA with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, they were set up to help the mortgage industry and people get cheap home loans, private players couldn’t compete with their taxpayer backing or their ability to offer low interest rate home loans or their ability to lobby politicians and get what they want, so what happened? The government essentially took over the mortgage market in the USA and the investment banks and Wall Street and foreign banks and investors just jumped on their backs, government and the corporatists running them concealed all the risks while they partied with the riches, and then… well now we see the outcome. We all pay for their crimes.
Just wondering what is Australian to the SCS? Do you have to be of white appearance? The Irish/English skin? Is that Australian?
What is Australian to me? The voice, and/or actions! Plain and simple.
I know people of Asian appearance, Italian, Greek, African (black and white) that talk with Australian accent and live the Australian way – that is getting on with things, giving everyone a go, have a go yourself, LAUGH, JOKE and enjoy bbqs sun bikinis sport… well it used to be!
I hate the Muslims or any outsiders who come here and stick there fuckin’ nose in the air and DON’T live the Australian way and keep to themselves – that I hate. That is frustrating when they use this land yet they look down on us and our lifestyle. I say to them F**K OFF!
BUT at the same time I LOVE outsiders who come here take on the Australian way, bring their children up to be Australian. Our economy, our way of life depends on this. Without Asians, Greeks, Italians etc we would be dead – financially in ruin.
My problem with the SCS is they have what it is to be Australian wrong! I understand there were Australians singled out when they were younger by Lebs or whatever because the outsiders tend to stick together more… However those groups do not speak for that nation they are IDIOTS! Probably fearful of being in a new country so took action. It’s all fear – just wish everyone could live in peace. Hard I know. Anyway are the SCS going to bash people on their appearance? Because if so THEY will half the time be bashing Australians that is THEIR OWN!!!
Also brings me to another point – will you bash white French, Irish or English people that come here, don’t live the Australian way and take jobs etc.?
All in all what is Australian in your eyes?
I don’t know how you manage to get so many fuckheads commenting on your blog @ndy, you’d think their time would be better spent drinking beer and wanking over the Australian flag.
TL;DR
I’m going to start the lebanese samoan tongan maori fijian aboriginal black and brown chapter of the Southern Cross Soldiers in brisbane AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE OI OI OI!
good luck mate because no one would join it
hey kadik-kadet ur obviously ur not any were near an aussie if ur thinking about wanking ova our flag that is dam right rude an for a matter of fack we dont call our self aussies cuz we drink beer were thongs an shorts an have bbqs its because we try an get people that graff an do drugs an just people that go thru a lot off rough times to change there type of m8s an change there bad habits because if u join the scs u r not aloud to graff take drugs or do all thoz criminal stuff so instead off trying to pik out all the bad things about us y dont uz find the good things
Fukin aussie till I die
Define the aussies us boyz represent:
1. Have a good time with mates who look after them and would die for them.
2. Don’t care about our political matters, but about who we are inside.
3. Don’t let other cultures change who we are, and hurt when we see other aussies changed by them.
This is what other cultures do to us (not generalising, setting examples):
1. Work heaps of hours for shit wages, take our employment and [w]reck our jobs.
2. Cause fights in our country, violence being “their way of life”.
3. Try to change us to their own ways, cheap and fukin nasty.
So fukin become an aussie or we kick ur head in.
———————*
-
-
-
———*———————-*——–UAP
-
————-*
-
-
-
——————–*
Well, if you find it humorous that people are targeted by gangs…
r u talking to me matt
I wonder if your penis is as big as your ego matt?
Australia has no culture apart from the Koori mob’s history; Australia is a product of Amerikkkanisation meets British Colonial rule. Last I checked, all non-indigenous Australians are immigrants of British penal colonies so essentially (if your family came here as ex convicts) or sometime later whether as an Irish/European refugees you yourself aren’t Australian. In fact the very concept of the southern cross which you appropriated no doubt from the dickheads of the Patriotic Youth League is a symbol of the working class rising above the money hungry capitalists (29 different nationalities swore an oath on this flag) and it was deliberately designed without the Union Jack as a mark of rebellion against British tyranny. That is hardly a nationalist symbol, in fact it’s embracing internationalism.
In regards to these claims Matt:
“This is what other cultures do to us (not generalising, setting examples):
1. Work heaps of hours for shit wages, take our employment and [w]reck our jobs.”
-Load of shit, you trust fund babies have probably never worked a day in your life. If you knew anything about working, you’d realise culture has nothing to do with job availability; you’d find that bosses that hand out employment to international students do so because foreign labour is cheaper, this isn’t the fault of the labourer but the fault of the boss because they will find any means to get their hands on the most profit. Based on your logic you could easily say we should deport all children because they work for slave wages and leave the rest of us [let's assume were all adults] without jobs. This is the fault of the bosses, not the workers.
2. Cause fights in our country, violence being “their way of life”.
-Violence is a factor irrespective of nationality, in fact even if it were; it would be whites that engage in the most violence. Look how many wars have been initiated by whites? Or the enslavement of people of colour by whites? You trying to tell me NWA is more violent than the KKK?
3. Try to change us to their own ways, cheap and fukin nasty.
-Says the group that’s influenced by African-American Gangster culture? Do you purchase everything “Made in Australia,” I highly doubt it. Seeing as you’re all predominantly White males I think this whole patriotic/nationalist trend you’re going through is some kind of excuse to start a white all male gang.
Just give it up already and go back to your bourgeois lifestyle of shit clothes and bad haircuts.
-Kadet
hahahaha u make me laugh i told u once an il tell u twice we r not a all wite group an yes my family came from whales but that waz along time ago an im an aussie i was born here raisd here an hopfuly il die here so there 4 i am an aussie so u can stik that rite up ur ass wel u brobly dnt have 2 cuz i think u have allready got ur bf dik up there an i dnt no about working do i i starded working wen i waz 12 an still am az a panel beater so like i said b4 dnt say shit that u no nothink about an if u realy think were so bad afta all the stuff we do 4 people that go thru shit life styles wat do u do 4 this country an people u dnt no brobly jak shit so shut ur mouth b4 we shut it 4 u
i beg to differ i already have 23 people with me since writing i was gonna start my own version of scs… 15 of them are hardline soldiers 6 out of those 15 are lebanese people sick of your shit 9 are aborigines indigenous to this country and the rest are polynesians who can kick all your asses we call ourselves southern cross soldiers with the blessing of the aboriginal elders who are the real australians whose ancestors didn’t commit crimes to come here… soooo if you wanna represent australia get your facts right
im pretty shure we have a lot mor members than 23 an i dnt think that 23 of urz wud b able 2 take on az menny az we had at cronulla wud they i dnt think so so dnt start a war u cant finish ok hahahahaha so suk a dik an ur crew cum afar me with all u got ay
oh an i didnt camit a crime to cum here did i an nether did any of my family thoz abos wudnt have been here if it wasnt 4 uz because the japs wud have taken over an then the new zealands came an helpt us defend with us so i think u shud get ur facks rite u wanka my grand pop my unkles an a lot of my family was in the war an i still have family in the navy an army so u can shuv that rite up ur fuking lose ass
“thoz abos wudnt have been here if it wasnt 4 uz because the japs wud have taken over an then the new zealands came an helpt us defend with us so i think u shud get ur facks rite u wanka”
It all makes so much sense now.
hahahaha u make me laugh i told u once an il tell u twice we r not a all wite group an yes my family came from whales but that waz along time ago!
[SA scs member has left the building.]
m8 the only building il b leaving is the 1 at ur funrel
Sho’ nuff.
Seriously tho’.
Suck on this.
hahahaha but wat the fuk dos that have to do with us so think again wanker
did i say you commited crimes fuckin imbred wanka…and the japs wouldnt have attacked if it was just abos here they would have gotten along just fine and australia would be far more advanced than how you fuckers have envisioned for this country…and what do you mean they wouldnt have been here the abos and maoris were on the frontline while your glory hunting faggots stood behind them like cowards who gives a shit about your uncle and pops…my brothers a high ranking SAS officer and he said the oz navy are a bunch of gay wankers who would piss their pants at the sight of action…as for 23 which is now 27 we dont need hundreds of people behind us to feel powerful just a nice 1 out will do us…it just shows how cowardly you are buddy you aint shit by yourself slap yourself
kthanxbye.
(serious this time.)
Wow, I haven’t been on slackbastard for a week and still my arguments haven’t been rebutted. Good work SCS, your credibility has hit an all time low.
Adios loserinos
-Kadet
[Blah blah blah...
For some reason I'm reminded of this song...]
[Blah blah blah. Grow up SA scs member.]
[Blah blah blah. Grow up SA scs member. And goodbye.]
because we try an get people that graff an do drugs an just people that go thru a lot off rough times to change there type of m8s an change there bad habits because if u join the scs u r not aloud to graff take drugs or do all thoz criminal stuff so instead off trying to pik out all the bad things about us y dont uz find the good things
Look mate, I believe in freedom of association and I think this is a good thing if you are actually saying don’t do drugs or break the laws of the land and study hard and get somewhere in life and I’m down with Aussie youngsters like that!
But here’s why I don’t believe you.
First, Grammar. Second, You sound like you’ve been doing drugs when you wrote that. Third, you sound like an immature fucking teenager text messaging the message. Fourth, I’m an Aussie Born Again Christian token right winger here whose father was in Vietnam and who’s Grandfather was in WWII, I’m Anglo-Celtic and I love my country, I’d sympathise but I am not convinced that SCS is more than just a teen angst movement. I saw plenty of ethnic conflict when I was in high school too, then people grew up and started caring about other things, about supporting themselves and their families, for instance, if you still care about this shit in 15 years, you’ll be smarter about it, methinks.
I personally only have a problem with immigrants (not native ethnics) who come into this great country, don’t learn the English language because they refuse to (ignorance, arrogance) and constantly criticise everything in Australian society. It gives me the absolute SH$#@!!! And trust me, there are many of such types around. And don’t get me wrong, I’m not one of these so called ‘gang’ members, but I am an Australian citizen who cares for the fellow Australians around me that make Australia what it is. Shouldn’t we all hold this view. And by the way, down with democracy, support dictatorship! Nothing ever gets done with democracy, constant arguing and bickering amongst politicians, we need things to actually happen!!!
P.S No I’m not a skinhead.
Black. White. Brown. Yellow. All humans regardless of skin color are equally good and evil.
I thought the aussie spirit was about giving people a ‘Fair Go’.
All this hate and violence seems un-australian. I thought we are supposed to be the laid back country.
There is NO SUCH thing as “Anglo-Celtic”!
Excepting if your parents are of either group.
Yeah, and what are the chances of that happening?
Well there is no such thing as Anglo-Celtic. The Angles and Celts are both Caucasian, northern European peoples. To be either an Angle, Saxon, Jute or so called Celt is a matter of culture and language.
The culture of the Angles, Saxons and Jutes on one hand and the Celts on the other are of a completely different nature.
Australian culture is Anglo (not Anglo Celtic) as its the English flag in the corner of the Aussie flag not the flags of Breizh or Éireann, the head of state here is British, the language spoken is a form of English (’strain).
If you speak one of the Celtic languages along with English then you may claim to be Anglo-Celtic.
It’s simple –
“With the appearance of capitalism, the elimination of feudal division and the formation of national markets, nationalities developed into nations, and the languages of nationalities into national languages. History shows that national languages are not class, but common languages, common to all the members of each nation and constituting the single language of that nation.”
The whole story is here –
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1950/jun/20.htm
Paul Justo, forget race, it is a strawman, what this is about is immigration, pro-immigrationists and anti-immigrationists. Where anti-immigrationists go wrong is when they argue race in place of the definition of immigrant. Australia as we know it today was founded by the British, under British Law, and all those who came here from the British Isles found themselves here because they were subjected to those laws.
So, would you argue that Scots and Irish, sent here as convicts, under British Law, were not part of Britain? Of course they were a part of it! They were tried under its laws! That means they did not come to Australia as immigrants, an immigrant is a person who lawfully goes to another country and/or another monarchy, Australia was not another country or monarchy, it was under Crown rule, just as those who were convicted by its laws were. It was founded as another country in 1901 but still part of Britain and its laws.
The Scots and Irish did not have to apply for permanent residence.
Also, as an aside, when dealing with nationalists, even neo-nazis, have you learnt about their feelings towards the most publicly famous communist ever? Maybe not the best way to use an example, it’s like neo-nazis quoting Hitler, yeah you won’t pay much attention to it regardless of whether it appears to have some valid intellectualisms in it either.
SA scs member Dec 30th, 2008 at 10:45 am
“yes my family came from whales”
Interesting statement that one, might explain your illiteracy given that whales have brains the size of a peanut.
“so u can stik that rite up ur ass wel u brobly dnt have 2 cuz i think u have allready got ur bf dik”
The above statement reinforces everything that people have said in this blog about the SCS cadre.
When someone calls into question the sexual preference of another it generally shows an inability to develop a rational mature response to an argument, not unexpected though.
“up there an i dnt no about working do i i starded working wen i waz 12 an still am az a panel beater so like i said b4 dnt say shit that u no nothink about an if u realy think were so bad afta all the stuff we do 4 people that go thru shit life styles wat do u do 4 this country an people u dnt no brobly jak shit so shut ur mouth b4 we shut it 4 u”
The above just supports my earlier statements.
The rest of you SCS morons who have posted in this blog claiming to be “serving the country” you make me sick, I have served this country twice and still do.
I would not let you spit on my shoes to shine them, you are nothing short of a disgrace.
To hide behind the flag claiming you are standing up for Australia is an affront to all Australians alive or otherwise.
Anyone who thinks that wearing the flag is “Australian” and “patriotic” is an idiot who has no idea, it is an insult to the flag and country dipsticks.
Why do you think we drape the flag over the coffins of the Australian soldiers who die? We do it to show that the country respects the sacrifice they made and that they are presenting to God as an honourable and loyal “Australian” — something that you clearly have no idea what that is.
You drape the flag around your shoulders you disrespect it.
You allow the flag to touch the ground, disrespect.
You wear clothes with the flag design, disrespect.
You put sticker flags on your car window, disrespect.
You go on about how you stood up at Cronulla and fought the good fight, crap! You are no better than the gang of Arabs that raped those girls in Sydney.
You lowered yourself to the same level as them and continue to do so with your vitriol. Congratulations, losers.
True Aussies are better than that, they rise above the pathetic insults thrown at them by these minority groups, something that most of you are clearly incapable of.
Soldiers PFFFT! Pathetic, the lot of you.
Helen: excellent use of the English language. That is all I have to say. Danke!
Jamie, Jamie, Jamie, what are you on about?
I wrote – “To be either an Angle, Saxon, Jute or so called Celt is a matter of culture and language”
In other words these names “Anglo”, “Celt” etc only have meaning when they define a cultural/national/linguistic group. This has nothing to do with “race”.
The phrase Anglo/Celtic is an oxymoron (oxymoran – US spelling!) because both groups are culturally distinct in the area they’ve originated from.
In this country the culture is Anglo – consequently all peoples who come here end up adopting Anglo culture – unless they keep their own language. This is usually the case with all migrants by the second generation.
You write –
“Australia was not another country or monarchy, it was under Crown rule, just as those who were convicted by its laws were. It was founded as another country in 1901 but still part of Britain and its laws”
I agree with that and it is for these reasons you’ve outlined that the phrase Anglo-Celtic makes no sense.
You’ve lost me here –
“Also, as an aside, when dealing with nationalists, even neo-nazis, have you learnt about their feelings towards the most publicly famous communist ever? Maybe not the best way to use an example, it’s like neo-nazis quoting Hitler.”
It’s not a question of their feelings. Stalin was a Marxist expert in the area of linguistics and the national question. Have a read of the article I linked to as it deals with the question of language and nationality.
Steve wrote –
“SA scs member Dec 30th, 2008 at 10:45 am
“yes my family came from whales”
Interesting statement that one, might explain your illiteracy given that whales have brains the size of a peanut”
No getting off the canvas after that one!
“Stalin was a Marxist expert in the area of linguistics and the national question.”
No getting off the canvas after that one! ROFLMAO.
Well there isn’t a section in the Anarchist Cookbook on linguistics and nationalities policy.
LMHAO.
Paul, Paul Paul,
Knowing less about grammar and more about typography, I’ll still attempt to address your concerns about “anglo-celtic”.
Hyphens can mean many things. It can lead to clarity but can also lead to confusion, especially in the case of “noun-noun”. Some publishing houses don’t use compound modifiers (I think) in the case of “noun-noun”, some do.
The hyphen is being used to denote a relationship between “anglo” and “celtic”. Properly speaking an en-dash (–) should be used, as opposed to a short hyphen (-), to denote a ranged noun–noun compound modifier. I’m thinking of things like “Labour–Liberal politics”. You can be of “anglo-celtic stock” (compound modifier) or speak of “broad anglo-celtic cultural similarities” or “anglo–celtic culture” if you mean something that spans both (such as contemporary language, laws, genetics or chavs).
Also, the relationship between the two cultures doesn’t seem, to me at least, to have such a gulf that this hyphenation would seem strange at first, such as “afro–mongol culture.”
Like I said, my grammar isn’t the best and I’ll probably be corrected. I’m going to send you a referral to Dr Cam as he seems to be the expert in the field.
P.S. En dashes and hyphens aside, Southern Cross Soldiers are still as stupid and ugly as a bag of dick. For a bunch of hard-arses describing themselves as “soldiers”, they appear to be very good at racking up the casualties at least — and they haven’t even met their avowed enemies yet!
I’ll give you this one –
“You can be of “anglo-celtic stock” which is the way polite Australian/Anglo society refers to the fact that the majority of Caucasians in this country are Anglo-Irish.
“broad anglo-celtic cultural similarities” or “anglo–celtic culture” if you mean something that spans both (such as contemporary language, laws, genetics or chavs).
Contemporary language here in this outpost of the empire is English, not a Celtic language, the laws – English, the genetics – we’re all 1% away from Orang-utans anyway so this one doesn’t count, the chavs – half a % away from Orang-utans.
You write –
Also, the relationship between the two cultures doesn’t seem, to me at least, to have such a gulf that this hyphenation would seem strange at first, such as “afro–mongol culture.”
That’s only because you were not brought up speaking a Celtic language. There are no linguistic similarities between any of the Celtic languages and English.
If I was Australia, I’d be pissed to have a bunch of little retards like the SCS representing me. You little kids are literally an insult to whatever you think Australia is.
We’ve met your hoodie wearing little dogs down Espy way a couple times, instead of being proud to be racist you guys should be proud to be Olympic Sprinters. And fuck me can you boys run!
Learn to read and write in English too, because it’s ironic that half your members have the literacy of a 6 year old and you’re still proud to be an ‘Aussie’.
Go stand next to a brickie crew, tell ‘em you hate wogs and fobs, and see how many of the Aussies themselves will kick your head in before the others, who’d be shocked, decide to go you.
These guys are jokes. They shouldn’t call themselves soldiers if they’re not willing to join the Army. If they did that, they’d be real patriots, but they’re probably too weak and pathetic.
To all you wonderful upstanding patriots from SCS:
It must be exhausting maintaining all this rage, i’m glad you are all fit aussie boys ready to fight.
I just have 1 question for you all:
What is it like to have never satisfied a woman?
Cee: Actually, word on the street is that at least one or two of the Soldiers are soldiers. Maybe SCS is a case of the Australian armed forces thinking outside of the box?
4_Milk_Crates: Surely the only requirements for satisfying a woman are an inability to spell and the capacity to wave an Australian flag?
@ndy- Bhaaha! I can see em now in the bedroom draped in an aussie flag dribbling on a chick with a less-than-impressed-what-the-fuck-am-i-doing-with-this-wanker look on her face.
“Ethnic” Inventions:
Comedy: Greeks
Democracy: Greeks
Beer: Arabs (Egyptians & Mesopotamians)
Coffee: Ethiopians (Africans)
Distilled Alcohol: Iraqis (Mesopotamians)
Analog Computers: Iraqis (Mesopotamians)
Toothpaste: Persians (Iranians)
Surfing: Polynesians
Gunpowder: Chinese
Mathematics: Arabs (Egyptians)
So fellas, if you really wanna be “pure” Australians you shouldn’t really drink beer or spirits, brush your teeth, laugh at anything, vote in an election, drink coffee, go surfing, shoot a gun, perform an equation or use a computer.
Please take a note at that last one: DON’T USE A COMPUTER.
FUCK THE POLICE AN FUCK YOU I RUN DIS SHIT AN U AINT STOPN NO BASHINGS WE HATE OR ETHNICS AN ARABS LIKE LEBOZ ECT FUCK U MUDDA FUCKERS WAR IS ON 4 LIFE NEVER TO BE FINISHED OZI OZI OZI OI OI OI … HAVE A GOOD AUSSIE DAY ALL MY S.C.S MEMBERS DONT BASH TO MANY HA HA HA HA HA … URS SINCERLY BRUNOZ/WESTERN SYDNEY CHAPTER PENRITH ALL AREAS
Thugs ruled the streets, and the mob sang Waltzing Matilda
The Sydney Morning Herald
December 12, 2005
Damien Murphy describes what he saw in the middle of the Cronulla violence.
A BARE-CHESTED youth in Quiksilver boardshorts tore the headscarf off the girl’s head as she slithered down the Cronulla dune seeking safety on the beach from a thousand-strong baying mob.
Up on the road, Marcus “Carcass” Butcher, 28, a builder from Penrith, wearing workboots, war-camouflage shorts and black singlet bearing the words “Mahommid was a camel f—ing faggot” raised both arms to the sky. “F— off, Leb,” he cried victoriously.
It was one last act of cowardly violence on a sad and shameful day that began as a beach party celebrating a kind of perverted nationalism that was gatecrashed by racism.
A crowd of at least 5000 – overwhelmingly under 25 – took over Cronulla’s foreshore and beachside streets. Police were powerless as 200-odd ringleaders, many clutching bottles or cans of beer and smoking marijuana, led assaults on individuals and small groups of Lebanese Australians who risked an appearance during the six-hour protest.
The horde swirled after fleeing individuals, sometimes sweeping past police lines and horses, chasing a quarry who sought safety in restaurants, shops, toilet blocks and ambulances and police vehicles. Some were snatched by police, who stood against the swarm and repelled the most violent with capsicum spray.
After a local man, “Steely”, had led a chant of “F— off, Lebs”, a young man demanded the megaphone and told the crowd it was “racist”. A bottle arced in from the audience and shattered on his forehead. He fled “like a bleeding rabbit”, someone yelled after him.
Sometimes when a victim was cornered, the mob started singing Waltzing Matilda. Advance Australia Fair was similarly employed against obstructing police, and the usually good-natured “Aussie Aussie Aussie” chant in the mouths of the Cronulla crew assumed a menacing tone.
Cronulla was possibly Australia’s biggest racist protest since vigilante miners killed two Chinese at Lambing Flat in 1860.
Yesterday’s violence had been brewing for months. It came to a head last weekend when some Lebanese Australian men attacked members of the North Cronulla Surf Life Saving Club after they asked the visitors to stop playing soccer because it was disturbing other beach users.
LIZ JACKSON: The surfies at Cronulla were talking about it, too. The bare facts are these. Three volunteer lifesavers were leaving the beach, having finished their patrol. They were not in uniform. There was a verbal altercation with a group of what the locals call Lebs, with provocative insults from both sides. The lifesavers were bashed. But these are the rumours that were spreading around…
SCOTT: They were playing soccer, I think. And they kicked the ball at some girls and started harassing the girls. And the lifeguards asked them to stop. Standard thing – happens all the time down here. And, you know, they didn’t like it and a fight broke out.
“Steely” – who did not want to identify himself “for fear the Lebs will come and shoot up my joint during the week” – said his children had been scared by Lebanese Australians coming in from the western suburbs.
“I’ve got a four-year-old girl and a boy who’s 11, and they see these bastards come here and stand around the sea baths ‘cos their women have got to swim in clothes and stuff, or they see them saying filthy things to our girls,” he said. “That’s not Australian. My granddad fought the Japs to see Australia safe from this sort of shit, and that’s what I’m doing today.”
The word went out last week that the Shire boys would not take it lying down any more. Yesterday was shaping as a giant clash if Lebanese Australians came to run the gauntlet.
Cronulla has been an iconic surf suburb since the early 1960s, when the surfboard craze hit. It has a tribal surf culture shaped by violence and substance abuse.
Its first surfing hero, Bobby Brown, died after being sliced by a beer glass in a hotel in 1967.
Cronulla was the setting for Puberty Blues, the brutal book and film about girls growing up in the surf culture. Many of its surfing heroes have had difficult lives, not the least Mark Occhiluppo, who came back from virtual career oblivion to take the world surfing title in 1999.
Cronulla has long been the scene of battles with outsiders. The early 1960s saw pitched fights between “westies” and “surfies”. Then, the media portrayed them as wars between teenage subcultures, but they always had an economic if not class element to them. It was a time when the White Australia policy still existed and nobody thought it was based on racism.
Things have changed. So yesterday “Da Boys” – the Cronulla locals – turned up early, and by 10am a party atmosphere was already evident.
Two-storey apartments were bedecked in bizarre bunting ranging from Australian and Eureka flags to “Merry Christmas” signs and Bundaberg Rum polar bear cut-outs.
On the streets, Australian flags fluttered on most cars, Cold Chisel and Men At Work boomed out of stereo systems and there were patriotic T-shirts with kangaroos, swear words and puns. Beer soaked everything.
Todd Russell, a concrete pourer from one of the apartments up the road from the riot site, was among the first to arrive and was giving away sausages cooked on a barbecue on the back of his ute, “to get everyone in the mood to be a real Aussie”. He had put up a sign saying “No tabouli”.
He was enthusiastically handing out brochures headed “Immigration out of control” and “Your teachers are lying to you” to passers-by.”Don’t know what this shit is, mate. It’s just stuff. I agree with it, whatever it is,” Russell said. “Look, these Lebs are coming here and giving us shit and we’re not going to take it any more.”
Behind him, John Moffitt of the Australia First Party was smiling to himself. He had been handing out political pamphlets to some of the flag and beer can-bedecked teenagers most of the morning and they were merrily distributing them to the committed, the curious and the repulsed. “This is a great day. Australia is now seeing what the policies of the last 30 years are reaping,” Moffitt said.
Paul Wilson, a local accountant who wants to start a political movement he has called Sons of Anzacs, led the mob with a couple of megaphone chants but said he was disgusted at the abuse of Lebanese immigrants.
He said the protest was really just an extension of the sorts of things Pauline Hanson was warning about when she entered national life in 1996.
“Nobody listened to her really and look what’s happened. Mind you, it’s a shame that it came to this. I don’t agree with the racist stuff. It frightens a lot of people off but it still a true reflection of what being a real and proud Australian is to many of us. You deny that, you’re mad,” he said.
The crowd’s first likely target was sighted just after 11am. He copped a punch from a local before fleeing to the safety of the Northies hotel sports bar, where a police line stopped the hunters in their tracks and he was whisked from the building.
Over the next six hours there were sporadic outbreaks when the mob thought it spied a Lebanese Australian intruder.
Many in the melee took photographs on mobile phones as they contacted people to join the fray or just to check out the fun. “It’s a pisser,” said Michael Bedford, of Sylvania. “Shire forever.”
As police tramped in quick-time from flashpoint to flashpoint, many in the crowd ridiculed their efforts. “Hup, hup, hup. Left, right, left, right. Sound off – that’s right, dudes, go get ‘em,” a group yelled in unison, before showering police with beer.
At one point, thousands rushed up the hill to the Cronulla Mall and headed for the railway station, nearly a kilometre away, where two men were taken and beaten. Sated, the crowd returned to the beachfront.
While bedlam ruled, the North Cronulla SLSC did its best to ignore the unlovely spectacle, calmly continuing with the launching ceremony of a new surfboat, the Graham “Cashy” Cachia.
Meanwhile, down the beach, the Lebanese Australian girl’s three male friends were being chased through apartments as her headscarf was being born off as some sort of souvenir. At the boat ceremony, a 13-year-old boy, a nipper with the club, turned from the boat to the noise swelling from the crowd north of the clubhouse.
“Get her!” he yelled. On his bare back were the words in black felt pen: “We crew here. You flew here.”
SCS are just sad misguided morons, they’re not a movement and they’re not a gang, they’re just stupid kids who don’t understand the world.
Apparently reading the SCS related websites doesn’t give me an accurate depiction of what they are about. Well I was lucky enough to have my Australia Day enlightened with the presence of the SCS at the beach yesterday and got an understanding of what they are truly about. So here’s a short list:
- Underage drinking
- Drinking in a ‘no alcohol’ public area
- Having dogs in a ‘no dog’ area
- Littering the beach with cans and bottles
- Chanting songs including the word fuck and other profanities in front of families and young children
- Generally interrupting everyone else’s Australia Day celebrations
- Being a 15-17 year old looking for direction from some wanabee leader 20 year old who can’t find friends his own age
Last time I checked the Aussie thing to do on a 40 degree day at the beach is sitting on a towel in a pair of boardies and some sunscreen, not standing around in a black hoodie. You idiots. I’m from Bayside, and sunbaking, relaxing, cricket and swimming is what we do on my beach, so if you’re going to stand around drinking and yelling then maybe you should follow your own self made rules and fuck off back to the north where you came from.
I don’t even think these guys saw the irony in chanting Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, Oi, Oi, Oi, while wrapping them selves in Chinese made Australia Flags and bandanas.
These guys talk the talk but don’t seem to walk the walk. Maybe they should do a little travel before they make up such a strong opinion. I truly believe Australia is the greatest country on earth but there are plenty of other good ones out there too. It wasn’t until I travelled Asia, Europe, Africa, South America and North America that I could truly see how good Australians have it!
Just two more things kids, have a look at a lot of the pacific island flags and you’ll find a southern cross, in fact you can see it every night in the sky over much of Africa and the whole southern hemisphere so maybe look at a name change? And finally, if you’re going to try to sing the national anthem in public again, try to practice it at home first so you don’t fizzle out somewhere in the middle again… I’ve attached them below for you.
Australians all let us rejoice
For we are young and free
We’ve golden soil and wealth for toil,
Our home is girt by sea:
Our land abounds in nature’s gifts
Of beauty rich and rare,
In history’s page let every stage
Advance Australia fair,
In joyful strains then let us sing
Advance Australia fair.
Beneath our radiant Southern Cross,
We’ll toil with hearts and hands,
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands,
For those who’ve come across the seas
We’ve boundless plains to share,
With courage let us all combine
To advance Australia fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia fair.
Jeebus! The comments go on forever! Nice work, btw, @ndy.
Cheers. Be longer if I didnae stop publishing these silly billys:
scs member / SKOT
Otherwise these are SCS/SCS sympathisers…
S.C.S Melb Leader / aussie boy / Gazza / Aussie chick
/ shawno / Matt / BigBeautifulMan / Mickles
None too bright.
I hate Australia day. It’s the one day of the year that fuckheads who leave their stinking garbage around our beautiful parks, assault our police officers and take advantage of our welfare system feel empowered to tell me to “get the fuck out of my country.”
Hahaha that’s not true. I love Australia day. This year I spent all of Australia Day at the beach with my Croatian, Italian, Portuguese, Sri Lankan, Scottish, Ukrainian and Salvadorean friends.
When I looked on the internet for ideas of what to do for Australia day, I found some really good ideas. Like “visit a local historical site.” and “Learn the national anthem.”
That’s right. Learn the national anthem.
Personally I think that’s pathetic.
To all you SCS fucktards I just have one question for you…
Don’t you think Italian chicks are hot?
Nice site Andy.
good on u brunzo war is on so lets get up an fuk all dis lebos an the dik heads on this page that no nuffink aussie pride in my stride aussie pride till i die so lets get up an burn da lebos dry haha fuk all lebs
Such heartfelt poetry.
You’re truly a modern day Banjo Patterson.
It brings a tear to your eye, doesn’t it?
I don’t really see these riots as a total bad thing personally. But then I always liked a good brawl AND you always get like half a dozen bogans to a Leb. So naturally I take the Leb’s side as it’s more fun. Know that I’m probably very slightly masochistic though so I don’t mind taking a few hits. Also if I got caught I could invoke the self defense clause thing which does state somewhere you can defend yourself AND others. Not like I’m serious about it though. Like I probably wouldn’t smash their face too much unless some of them attacked a mate or something regardless of ethnicity.
I do however shake my head at the stupidity of ethnical reasons here. I mean seriously, even the Brit convicts have only been here a few generations, yeah? Australia ain’t exactly the longest standing nation. I see any organisation like SCS as a facade for people to engage in gang mentality fueled bullying and very little else. Why not just honestly admit why you do shit and your motivations for it?
What is absolutely hilarious is that I’m still more coherent than the vast majority of the SCS I have witnessed and according to the doc I’ve had more concussions than should have left me brain dead by now. I should also cut back on several things, but I align myself to the opinion that a great short life beats a mediocre long life. So, no dice.
I think what these kids need is an education moreso than anything else. I’m only 19, only did a security course and a few other bits and pieces over high school qualifications and I can clearly see the futility of some of the racist actions I’m seeing. The only thing being an active neo-nazi in this day and age will do is possibly get you killed. But then again, you mightn’t really mind so much.
Good entry @ndy, and I must admit to being strangely interested in many of the posted comments.
Oh and just in case anyone wants to know my ethnic backgrounds, affiliations or whatever, I consider myself an Australian as I do anyone born here regardless of past ethnicity, I’m at least 3/4 Dutch ethnicity-wise (all four grandparents were Dutch, but I believe I have an ancestor or two German and possibly English up the line), drink like a fish, do Security/Retail work and regularly hang out with mates of many different ethnicities. As I’ve never given a fuck I have many friends, and get to sample some really awesome food and even spirits you can’t find nowhere at various gatherings.
Australia is multicultural and if you have a problem with that, get the fuck out.
lol fuck you guys that say s.c.s is racist, and that we killed tyler and shit. you idiots dont know fuck all
s.c.s is a group of proud australias that get together in each state / chapter, have a bbq watch football, drink beer go partying with hot girls
just because half of you net fucks cant get laid, dont go outside and dont have a group of awesome mates, doesnt mean you can pigion hole us and say we are racist, for most of us are acutally not even 100% australian, yet we love our homeland, and people that move out here and say how shit it is and dissrespect it don’t deserve to be here
win ^
If someone applied to migrate to Australia with English skills like those you have displayed above, you would be complaining if they were accepted into this country.
shit, din’t know that this was a grammer section?
ive got skills in bed bro, something you may never know by the sounds of it, i mean im sure your hand is great but buddy itll get boring after a while.
Actually it doesn’t, you just need an imagination. I did it 15 times today. I just sit back and think of Australia and it makes me hard as!
You’re right, Hugh Jackman is pretty hot…
really? ditto but its with your mum does it for me.
what the fuk this shit is ball crap u go on about uss judging people on ther apierence an looks an wat they look like but hear uz go complaining on what scs is an what we do but realy if u dnt agree wid it u dnt have 2 b around uss all day or see uss in the street every day so y the fuk do uz keeping going on just because we have beta things 2 do then sit on the computer an jude people that u have never met b4 an yess i cant spell an i mite not b the best looking dude in scs i mite not b the fitest but atleast i can admit it un like uz u just keep draging this ball shit on an on fuken hell get ova it scs is hear an its hear 4 life so dnt try an break it or u mite get hurt
SA scs member i rekon u shud stop judeing people u no nuthin about uz r tha ones judeing people on ther apierence not uss y do u h8 falafel n tabouli they r good 4 u n yummy u dnt hav 2 eet it if u no wanna fuken hell get ova it stop tha h8 n grab a plate falafel n tabouli r hear 4 life so dnt try an break it or u mite get hurt
http://www.southerncrosssoldiers.net
R.I.P TYLER CASSIDY.
OFFICIAL S.C.S SITE.
IT’S FUNNY HOW YOU SAY THIS ISN’T AN ATTEMPT TO DIVIDE AUSTRALIA BUT TO UNITE IT! People like you deserve to be shot 13 times or more to come to your racist judgmental senses.
Australia is known for its multiracialism and everyone has the right to live here just as you do. And it wasn’t the Africans or Asians who came to this land and murdered and stole someone else’s country!
Sad cunts thinking theyve got scs sussed.
Get off the pc stop acting like a keyboard warrior and get a life.
Brae is so right…
Lol, re-think what you knobs think about Australia, before you start judging us.
We aren’t trying to divide our country, we just don’t apprecicate FUCKWITS coming to it, and disrespecting it.
Australia is a wonderful country with tranquil flora and fauna, so why not share it with everyone? You do not represent Australia, nor can anyone for that matter, and your group has become the epitome of idiocy. White supremacy has no place in a country that rightfully belongs to the indigenous population.
the aboriginals never owned this land anyways, they lived off it. fuck they didn’t even have civilisation, they were just a bunch of cavemen running around with spears.
History is obviously not a strength ^.
oy now ur tlking about abos ay they never fuking owned it they woudnt even bee hear if it wasnt 4 uss white fellas cuz the japs wud off killed all whites an blacks but we wer betta an beat the japs so they shud b thanking uss not uss apolagising cuz ther mum an dad was taking off of them well that was about a hundred years ago an none off them r alive 2day anyways its just a way 4 them 2 get money off the goverment its a load off shit they get the doll 4 sitting at home drinking alko an smoking ther shit an get paid 4 it while uss white fellas an japs an newzealands r out ther working our buts off how many abos do u see working at the shops an that jak shit cuz ther fuking lazy priks well most of them any ways
Communication is obviously not a strength ^.
nor is brain power
ScaredLittleBigot hits you with Wall of Teh Stoopid for 10k critical brain damage!!!!
So proud of Australia that you have no idea of its History. Your knowledge of Japanese military strategy in WWII is equally impressive.
Unfortunately for ScaredLittleBigot, my Monster Manual informs me that a Southern Cross Soldier is a failed cross between a xvart and a carrot; further, the damaging effects of Wall of Teh Stoopid — formed whenever 5,000 or more Soldiers gather anywhere on Teh Intertubes — may be defeated by imbibing a Potion of Reality. Unfortunately, its effects on the social fabric may only be countered by ridicule.
Endless Blockades For The Pussyfooter!!!!
After all this time, this thread is still running and attracting, ummm I’m not sure if you could call them posts, maybe “verbal dairreah” would better describe what is being spewed forth from these so called “Patriots”.
The literacy skills of these clowns never ceases to amaze me.
I will translate.
Yuz guyz oviouly faled ta lern inglish @ skool.
You would think that a proud Australian would take the time to show that pride by being able to communicate in the Australian language which happens to be English.
Last time I checked, it was English, not SMS.
I will translate again for the benefit of the SCS.
In Ostraya bro we speek Inglish, und uz guyz shuld unerstan dat, kay?
I hope the puncshuasun did not confuse you.
I envy the SCS, they can have a laugh at life and what it has dished up to them every single day, they just have to look in the mirror to see the joke.
Mate, you want someone with ex-military experience and someone who has guts, all you fuckers gotta do is look outside ya window.
But considering that 99.999999999% of the S.C.S. most likely can’t read I’ll probably never receive a reply.
I’m happily 6th generation australian, proud of the fucken fact, and don’t ya find it strange that the only fuckers that actually have a go back or that are smart are the cunts who have been living here for all of less than 10 years?
Mate, you wanna unite Aussies, and bring back the aussie pride? Easily solved.
Get all your members to go down the local country pubs and spread the news. Its not that difficult. Spread the news,and naturally, with all advertising, GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!
If they ask for tram services to be restored to working schedule in melbourne, do what you have to do to get the fucking things going again, or whatever the case may be!
I hope you understand what I meant. Would love a reply. I’m sure others agree.
– Smart Cunt, Melbourne.
What the fuck you wanna know for cunt?,
I hope your parents thought long and hard before naming you — I suspect not.
@ndy, i think this thread has been going on long enough. Every time one of these idiots comments it’s usually the same tripe. I’m sick of these morons filling your blog comments with stupidness
ps. GISM rocks
lol, it’s still going because you weak cunts can’t say anything besides your shit skills at life.
You think your hard, because you can try to finger point us, when we are proud Australians, and you blokes obviously arent, your the ones that we should be hitting, faggots that can’t say shit to our faces, you gotta have a go at us online. I’d love to see any of you blokes come and say shit to any S.C.S members face, we’d waste you. And if you think otherwise, arrange a meeting anywhere in Australia, and I’ll come down with a camera, and kick the living fuck out of you.
Then post it on this website, proving to any of these other fuckwits that mess with S.C.S, and say shit about our members, who are truly proud Aussies, and are just like family to me, ill prove what we do.
Peace.
I suggest you get someone new to manage your forums, spammed much?
Darcy, May 4th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Southern cross soldiers you say u are not racist but yet a south african mate of mine who is now a proud member of bra boys Melbourne got jumped by six of your so called southern cross soldiers u are not racist bull shit not racist is us we have 1 of the most multi race groups out there we have Italians, Greeks, Lebanese, Croatians, Serbians, Samoans, New Zealanders so b4 u say u are not a race fuelled group pull your head out of your ass!
Yours truly
Bra Boys Melbourne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The website is dead, because S.C.S has pretty much come to a complete stop. We are re-forming [under] a new name, and all of the “wannabes” that call themselves proud Australians, usually just want to fight everyone.
They are the kids that are giving us a bad name. So the forum is dead, and pretty much so is S.C.S, however myself and all chapter leaders are re-doing a proper site, name for us.
Brae, dont quit your day job.
You SCS guys dont have a tough bone in your overly pampered bodies.
Haha, tell me where to meet you then ferox, and we’ll see:)
hey brae shows how hard they are ay they wont reply an wont meet up
10 downing street. I’ll let you spend countless hours trying to figure out where that is
y dnt all u boyz just meat up an fight an u no who will win scs off course so yer dare uz to hahaha
don’t talk with food in your mouth ko master. it looks dreadful and nobody knows what you’re on about
Why do you fucking idiots respond to this crap??? leave these kiddie would be tough gang boys to rot in the toilet where they dwell. The SCS are nothing but trash… mindless fucking kids with a sad life and shit for parents… trying to play the tough american gangster… with pants so big they fall down around their ass and a hat on backwards so the sun shines in their faces… FUCKING MINDLESS SCUM… thats all they are… dont entertain them and they will vanish or with Gods help be locked away to rot where they belong. Put them one on one with ANYONE and they would go to shit and wet their pants… gutless, mindless fucking idiots. Any I see with be treated like the shit they are… lets see if they can really stand up for themselves… oh thats right… they dont wear a label PROUDLY… and they are too scared to walk around alone and can only fight in packs like the dogs they are… Maybe we should put you all on a boat and piss you off to Aphganistan so you can fight like real men??? shit we’d have to supply nappies and tissues for you little blubbering babies. TO THE SCS … FUCK OFF WE DONT WANT YOUR TYPE HERE IN THIS PROUD LAND … that our forefathers fought for and it wasnt to raise SHIT like you.
If you agree that it is what people do that matters more than what they say, then you have to accept that Southern Cross Soldiers are not what they claim to be.
The proof…
[...]
So, the Southern Cross Soldiers are protecting Australia from what?
Drug dealers?
They can wave the flag all they want, but the empirical facts indicate that SCS are criminals, criminal associates, traitors, frauds, hypocrites, liars and traitors.
Until SCS take a stand against drug dealers in their own ranks, they have not one single thing to say that any real Australian should pay attention to.
SCS is an organisation riddled with maggots like [....... ..........] and [..... .....] whose patriotism is an insult to those of us who have ancestry dating back to the First Fleet; a great uncle who died fighting the Japanese; great great uncles who went to Gallipoli and the Middle East; a cousin in the ADF; a nephew in the Air Force and 220 years of land ownership dating back to the 20th land grant in the colony.
Real Australians do patriotism.
Scum like SCS talk big and do nothing.
Reply to”?”.
What you’ve done is stereotyped us. I come from a fairly rich neighbourhood, my parents are not “shit” and i’m not trying to play the american gangster. Actually, i’m not trying to play any gangster, i’m helping to make this country beautiful again.
I do not wear baggy pants that fall down around my ass, and the reason I let the sun shine in my face is because I live by the quote ‘Tilt you head towards the sun.’ It might not mean alot to you, but that quote makes me think of our amazing landscape and summertime in this great and glorious nation.
I know there are alot of people out there giving us a bad reputation, but I assure you not all of us are like that. We are all different, just like our forefathers. Some when they went to war were extremely racist but there were others that weren’t. I’m so proud of my country that I have in fact applied for the army as a rifleman, to hopefully one day go overseas and fight for my country. So am I a coward ?
What have you done for this country that makes you so righteous ?
I would like to see you stand up to any one of us SCS in person, and I can tell you right now, it won’t be a group fight, I will gladly go a one-on-one with you, just for tarnishing our name and bagging out our cause.
I am not anything you have described, so before stereotyping us and then publically shaming us, GET YOUR FUCKING FACTS RIGHT MATE.