Responding to DreamHost and Redwatch

I received the following comment inre DreamHost’s hosting of Redwatch from a bloke called Brad, and decided that I may as well post my reply here.

I saw a comment that you posted on Direland about the Polish redwatch site being hosted by DreamHost. I am currently hosted by them and was wondering if you had any more information about what action I might take to try to change this situation. If you could be of any assistance, I would like to discuss it on my site and let other people that use DreamHost know what we can do.

Thank you.

Brad

Hi Brad,

Thanks for getting in touch.

At present, DreamHost is indeed the host for redwatch.info — the Polish version of Redwatch. Thus far, DreamHost’s position has been that the company supports ‘free speech’, that (as far as they’re concerned anyway) the content of the site breaks no US law and, as such, Polish neo-Nazis can continue to enjoy the services DreamHost provides them.

I would suggest, to begin with, that you write to DreamHost and inform them of your concerns.

DreamHost may be reached via:

DreamHost Offices
DreamHost
PMB #257
417 Associated Rd.
Brea, CA 92821
USA
FAX: 714-990-2600

Business Development : [email protected]
Spam / Abuse : [email protected]
DMCA Issues : [email protected]

They also have a forum in which this topic has been discussed and to which you may like to add your own two cents worth.

Writing to DreamHost will most likely generate a response along the following lines:

DreamHost strongly believes in the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, which guarantees its citizens freedom of speech and freedom of the press, among other things (both of which can apply to websites). We made a business decision long ago to value freedom of speech above any potential offense someone might take over the content of a site hosted by us.

In other words, DreamHost believes (or pretends to believe) that redwatch.info is merely a forum for ‘offensive’ views, rather than an instrument that has been used to provide personal information regarding individuals who have later been targetted for assault and/or murder by members of the local neo-Nazi milieu. Polish authorities have stated that, as the site is hosted in the US, they require the co-operation of US authorities in order to take any further action.

The position DreamHost has taken is, from my perspective, unethical. From a legal perspective, it is, at the least, questionable, as DreamHost may be in violation of Californian laws inre ‘hate speech’ and ‘hate crimes’. Specifically, DreamHost could be prosecuted as an associated party to a crime under Sections 422.6 and 422.55 of the California penal code against hate crimes.

In relation to DreamHost’s alleged criminality, one person has commented on the forum listed above:

…DreamHost’s clients (of the redwatch.info site) are committing a crime under Section 422.6 of the Californian Penal Code since they are making “speech which itself threatens violence against specific persons”. They risk 12 months prison or a $5000 fine.

DreamHost has a clause about not allowing content which is illegal.

If DreamHost management acts in “good faith” to prevent the continued crime, then they would presumably be able to defend themselves from being convicted as a supporting partner in crime and avoid… having to manage the DreamHost service from inside a prison cell.

For further commentary on DreamHost, redwatch, and related issues, please also see the following posts (which appear in chronological order, from earliest to latest):

“We are such stuff… As dreams are made on”
“Free Speech”
Poland’s chief rabbi attacked on Warsaw street
DreamHost’s undiplomatic love of fascist violence at a diplomatic crossroads
[Polish] Government demands closure of [DreamHost’s] far-right website
Cowardly neo-Nazi THUGs on di attack? Balls to that!
DreamHosting a White Europe
Fascists arrested over redwatch
Polish police arrest man suspected of co-authoring [Redwatch Poland]
Redwatch UK not OK with MP; DreamHost still hearts neo-Nazism
Redwatch UK
More on Redwatch Poland arrests
Opposition to DreamHost’s redwatch gathers momentum…
Nationalism versus Culture; Life Against Death; Anti-fascism contra DreamHost
British MPs talk Redwatch

Polish anarchists have also made an international appeal for funds to help offset the medical costs incurred by Maciek, the Polish antifa attacked on May 16th this year after having been targetted by neo-Nazis via Redwatch.

Maciek does not have medical insurance, so he may be forced to pay up to 20.000 PLN (5.000 Euro) for treatment.

Here are the details:

We are collecting money to help [Maciek] pay for his treatment. We kindly ask for your help. Please, send money to this account with a note “For Maciek”:

mBank PL81 1140 2004 0000 3202 3517 7247
katarzyna jankowska
BRE Bank S.A. Retail Banking, al. Mickiewicza 10, 90-050 Łódˇ
BIC/SWIFT BRE Bank: BREXPLPWMUL
SORT CODE- 11402004

PS. A Liberal Democrat in the UK wishes to spark some debate inre ‘free speech’ (and its limitations, if any).

About @ndy

I live in Melbourne, Australia. I like anarchy. I don't like nazis. I enjoy eating pizza and drinking beer. I barrack for the greatest football team on Earth: Collingwood Magpies. The 2020 premiership's a cakewalk for the good old Collingwood.
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10 Responses to Responding to DreamHost and Redwatch

  1. Darrin Hodges says:

    This is hypocrisy at its highest. Complaining about an American hosting company allowing a website to publish the names and addresses [of antifa]. What\’s the difference between redwatch and OPP, which also publish the names and addresses of people? And is also hosted in the US? You can\’t have it both ways.

  2. @ndy says:

    Mr. Hodges.

    Darrin.

    Dazza.

    You dazzle me with your erudition and you stun me with your insight.

    Still…

    According to Joe Hildebrand, ‘White supremacists [are] casting a black cloud’ (The Daily Terror, December 20, 2005) :

    ‘…The internet on its own is also a hotbed for white supremacist activity, giving them instant access to their paltry and disparate fellow travellers across the country and overseas, offering the anonymity they crave.

    One active local member, who goes by the moniker “Proud to be an Infidel”, has been a regular contributor to international white supremacist organisation Stormfront.

    Via a series of electronic footprints, anti-Nazi campaigner Mat Henderson-Hau has linked “Infidel” to Engadine local Darrin Hodges.

    Hodges, who runs a website for a sex toy distributor, yesterday admitted to being a member of the racist Australia First Party but denied being a member of any white nationalist groups or a contributor to Stormfront.”‘

    Pants-on-fire!

    ‘His alleged alter ego is not so shy.

    “Friends, today was an historic day, the day Australians stood up against state-imposed multiculturalism,” he wrote on the night of the Cronulla riots.

    Accompanying his posting is a series of photographs he took at Cronulla that day, including one of a T-shirt emblazoned with the words “wog free zone” and another of a sign offering free sausages to the crowd, with “no tabouli”.

    Infidel also speaks of footage he filmed on the day which Henderson-Hau believes was used in a video released over the weekend that glorifies a mob of rioters bashing various non-whites at Cronulla.

    Posted on Saturday, it had been downloaded around 400 times by yesterday afternoon.

    It follows an earlier video credited to “White Nationalist TV” [that is, James Newman] and dubbed “The Battle For Cronulla”, which was released on the Stormfront website on the night of the riots and has since been downloaded 1700 times.

    After several minutes of footage showing [boneheads] emblazoned with the iron cross and three-bladed swastika taking part in the Cronulla “gathering”, the video finishes with the words “Not white, not welcome in Cronulla”.

    If there was any doubt as to what Infidel and his ilk stand for, consider one of his earlier posts on Stormfront in which he states: “I’m more interested in the purer form of fascism… and while I don’t subscribe to the whole ‘worship Hitler’ thing, his comments on multiculturalism and politics in general are still just as relevant today as they were 70-odd years ago.”’

    [Hitler : “Was there any excrement, any shamelessness in any form, above all in cultural life, in which at least one Jew would not have been involved? As soon as one even carefully cut into such an abscess, one found, like maggots in a decaying body, often blinded by the sudden light, a kike.”]

    …and further…

    ‘…On December 19, just one day prior to the publication of the above [article], Hodges made the following announcement on Stormfront:

    Due to personal circumstances I will be no longer [be] posting/visiting stormfront. I have also resigned my membership of Australia First. I apologise to anybody who may have been offended by my posts on stormfront.

    I would appreciate it if a mod could disable/delete this account, thankyou.”‘

    Pants-on-fire!

    http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=39
    http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=48
    http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=62

    Inre redwatch and OPP:

    What exactly is “hypocrisy at its highest”? You draw a comparison between redwatch on the one hand and OPP on the other, presumably the Rogue’s Gallery in particular:

    http://www.onepeoplesproject.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=2&Itemid=27

    redwatch may be distinguished from OPP’s gallery on the basis that OPP does not call for, and no physical assaults have accompanied, its presence online. Those profiled on redwatch, on the other hand, have been assaulted. Most recently, Alec McFadden (England) and Maciek D. (Poland). Further, redwatch supports such assaults, being a project of Combat 18 and Blood and Honour. And, unlike OPP, Combat 18 and Blood and Honour are *unlawful associations* in Poland. Germany too:

    ’29/10/2003- German police arrested ringleaders of the neo-Nazi Combat 18 organisation during a series of dawn raids on more than 50 premises yesterday as part of a drive to clamp down on far right violence. More than 300 police searched properties Kiel and Flensburg and confiscated weapons and banned Nazi insignia from the group. Meeting places used by the organisation were the chief targets. Police said 10 members of Combat 18, a British-founded neo-Nazi organisation which takes its name from the position of Adolf Hitler’s initials in the alphabet, were arrested. “They made up the hard core of group and were the ringleaders,” said Matthias Hennig, a police spokesman for Schleswig-Holstein. The raids reflected the nervousness of the German authorities about the threat of far right violence in the run up to the November 9 anniversary of the Nazi “Kristallnacht” of 1938. Dozens of Jews were murdered and hundreds of synagogues were burned down during the pogrom.

    Last month police arrested 10 German neo-Nazis on suspicion of plotting to blow up a Jewish centre on November 9. Johannes Rau, the German President and Paul Spiegel, the head of the German Jewish community were among the dignitaries due to attend a ceremony at the Munich-based centre. The arrests deeply shocked German Jewish leaders and prompted Otto Schily, the German Interior Minister to declare: “There have been hints that far right extremists are really a potential danger for our society. Now this has been dramatically confirmed.” Police seized 1.7 kilos of TNT and various weapons in connection with the Munich bomb plot. Their find included a hit list of other targets including mosques, a Greek school and an Italian restaurant. Attempts by the Government to ban Germany’s neo-Nazi, National Democratic Party (NPD) at the country’s constitutional court failed earlier this year. Judges rejected a ban after establishing that the party was riddled with Government-paid informers who had acted as agents provocateurs when they collected evidence to incriminate the organisation.

    The Government has also been accused of playing down levels of neo-Nazi violence. While official statistics state that 39 people died as a result of far right attacks since German reunification in 1990, independent research has suggested that it is about 100. The victims of far right groups have been mainly vagrants, asylum seekers and handicapped people. Last week three German neo-Nazis were sentenced to prison terms of up to 15 years for one of the most horrific murders since 1990. The three young men, aged between 18 and 24, were convicted of torturing and kicking to death a 16-year-old white German schoolboy because he “looked like a Jew.” The boy died after his tormentors crushed his skull by jumping on his head with steel-tipped boots. His body was later dumped in a farm silage pit and lay undiscovered for almost a year. Yesterday German state prosecutors announced they would appeal to a higher court to increase the sentences imposed on the three neo-Nazis because they considered their punishment too lenient.’

    Etc..

    http://www.icare.to/archiveoctober2003.html

    Further information on redwatch poland may be found here:

    http://www.icare.to/article.php?id=3792&lang=en

    ’27/5/2006- *Reporters Without Borders* wrote to Polish justice minister Zbigniew Ziobro today to alert him to serious threats being made against Polish journalists by Redwatch, an extreme right-wing group that advocates violence. Redwatch-Poland has posted a list of 15 left-wing and far-left journalists *and directly threatened them with reprisals for their anti-fascist views*. Redwatch is an international organisation that has its headquarters in Britain. Its website encourages its members to attack human rights activists, politicians, journalists and students by posting their names, photographs and addresses. A human rights activist who was No. 2 on the list of “enemies” on the Redwatch-Poland site narrowly escaped a murder attempt on a Warsaw street on 16 May. His assailants hit him, used a pepper spray on him and stabbed him before making off. The knife came within a few centimetres of his heart.’

    All that said — and I’ve actually tried to keep it *short* — if you believe that OPP is breaking US hate crime laws, you are free to complain to US authorities.

    Cuddles,

    @ndy.

  3. @ndy says:

    Dear Dazza,

    Your inability to respond to criticism is quite remarkable. Or would be, if it wasn’t a trait so typical of racist apologists such as yourself.

    Yes, redwatch poland is hosted by DreamHost, a US company which operates under US law. I don’t know who hosts OPP, but for the sake of argument, let’s assume that it’s located in the US.

    Your point?

    OPP state:

    “Finally we must make this point clear. None of this information should ever be used to engage in any criminal activity against [the person profiled]. There is no reason to be like the scum you will see. Keep yourself on the higher ground, and take in this information responsibly.”

    to the best of my knowledge, nobody who has been featured on OPP’s “Rogues’ Gallery” has been assaulted as a result. a number of people featured on redwatch poland and redwatch uk, on the other hand, have been. further, a number of people in poland (sources vary as to the exact number) have actually been *arrested* for their involvement in redwatch poland / blood and honour / combat 18. this is because a) poland has its own laws, laws which (apparently) make it a criminal offence to publish the kinds of material that have appeared on the site and b) in poland, like germany, blood and honour / combat 18 is a proscribed (criminal) organisation.

    finally, i believe that the maintenance of a public source of information re the activities of militant racists and fascists is a public service. the provision of similiar forms of information re those who fight against bigotry, on the other hand, is not. DreamHost fails to understand this, but i’m confident that, as their support for fascist violence becomes more widely known, and their popularity as a service provider declines, they will.

    no pasaran.

  4. Andrew S. says:

    «i believe that the maintenance of a public source of information re the activities of militant racists and fascists is a public service. the provision of similiar forms of information re those who fight against bigotry, on the other hand, is not.»

    The key word here is «[I]believe». You may believe in a holy golden cow for all I care, but does that make it true?

    Belief is subjective, not objective. You see, we believe in the opposite of what you believe, and who\’s to say that your belief is more rightful than ours? We believe that it is in fact the activities of the «racists and fascists» that is a public service, fighting the liberal disease that destroys our society. In a similar manner, providing the information of those who fight against «bigotry» (read: preservation of the White race) is the least one can do to help his people.

    So, who is to say which side is right? That is impossible to determine with words alone. The victor writes history, as well as determines what is right and what is wrong. Therefore, the side that is right is the side that will emerge victorious in this struggle.

  5. @ndy says:

    g’day andrew.

    who’s to say?

    me. you. anybody everybody.

    “Belief is subjective, not objective.”

    yeah, in YOUR opinion…

    to begin with, claims may be subjected to analysis. thus yr non-belief in a ‘holy golden cow’ / ‘unholy silver chicken’ / ‘big bronze pig’ in the sky would presumably be altered were you to actually witness its/their grandeur for yrself.

    i know it changed my mind.

    by the same token, claims about the function purpose of redwatch may also be subjected to scrutiny, viz: what is this horrible ‘liberal disease’? what are its symptoms? what r/ship does it have to the concept of (racial) equality? and what the f is the ‘white race’ anyway?

    i’m white, i despise neo-nazism, i reject ‘white nationalism’ i’m happy to do so: sorry, i got more important things to attend to.

    but even from a political perspective that is unashamedly white supremacist, there is room for debate: after all, it could be that redwatch is doing more harm to the cause of white supremacy than it is good.

    the point is: acknowledging differences of opinion perspective is no excuse for incoherency.

    further, the notion that ‘might makes right’ is one often invoked by authoritarians, who believe that appeals to it somehow resolve contradictions absolve them of responsibility for any form of moral contemplation. if you DEFINE ‘what is right’ as being ‘that which is’, then of course there’s no room for debate… about anything.

    this is bs.

    ‘wherever you go, there you are’ as the renowned philosopher mike brady said.

    meaning: we simply cannot avoid making claims about ourselves and our world / we cannot avoid engaging in discourse.

    further, struggle will continue as long as there is life: there IS no ‘end’ at which point a ‘victor’ may be declared. ( let’s face it: despite his millenial vision, hitler’s turd reich lasted barely over a decade.)

    NO PASARAN.

  6. Andrew S. says:

    I do not see what makes Redwatch.info so horrible. I visited the site, and all they provide are the photos, names, and in some cases addresses and phones, of certain individuals, as well as description of their activities. They don’t say «go kill/attack this person», just provide the info, like that OPP site. Furthermore, Redwatch.info states on their site that «Redwatch.info does not condone violence in any type of way. This web site is strictly an informational database to help the public keep informed about the destructive tendencies of persons engaged in anti-fascist, anti-racist, and left-wing activities as well as the degenerate sympathizers and activists of the homosexual and pedophile lobby.»

    So you see, it is not so much different than OPP. You may say that more individuals were targeted on Redwach.info’s list than on OPP, but that does not say anything about the site, just about the audience. It is quite known that a large number of ‘antifascists’ are pacifists or adhere to principals of pacifism, while nationalists tend to be more militant. Is it the site’s fault? No, they just provide information, and information is neutral in itself. How one uses that information is the individual’s responsibility. There are sites on the internet that provide instructions on building weapons, bombs, you name it, and none the less, most if not all of them are legal, because of the same principal. Also, even if the «fascists» on your list were to be attacked, such incidents would receive much less attention from the biased media than the «poor fighters for freedom attacked by evil Nazi monsters».

    As for «might is right», isn’t this the principal that was present for millennia? In fact, since the beginning of time, this was the only way things took place. Why should we just take ageless traditions of our ancestors and throw them out of the window? Why not go all the way then, start walking on our hands instead of our feet, and eating our own excrement? Why should we exchange the order of things that was present for countless millennia for some bs idea of ‘humanism’ that is only a couple of centuries old?

    As for the stuggle, it will end quite soon. In fact, I speculate that by the end of this century the victor will be determined. The strugle between the nationalists and the leftists will not go on forever, either you are destroyed through annihilation, or we are destroyed through assimilation. There is no third option. Either the white masses open their eyes and take control, annihilating the liberal swine and the non-white hordes, or we will be further blinded by liberal propaganda, assimilated through miscegenation, and thus our race will cease to exist.

    Which brings us to the beginning of your post. It is quite foolish to ask what is the White race, unless you’re one of those who don’t believe in the concept of race at all, in which case I have nothing to say to you. However, there are some confused as to who is White and who isn’t, so I’ll just tell you my view, I consider anyone White who has no negro blood whatsoever, and 95% or more caucasoid blood. Again, if you are a proponent of Darwin’s theory, and believe that Whites originated from negroes, I have nothing to say to you.

    As for the liberal disease, it is the leftist propaganda your kind feeds the masses through the media. It is the destruction of our race through the promotion of miscegenation. The demoralization of our people through promotion of homosexuality and racial equality. That is the liberal disease.

    In either case, this is all off topic, as the main subject is redwatch.info. If you are intrested in arguing about nationalist ideology, go to a nationalist forum and argue with them, for I have nothing to prove to you puppets of the Jews, ones like you were far too brainwashed by their destructive liberal ideology for any hope of opening your eyes, it would just be a waste of time, precious time that could be used for more productive things.

  7. @ndy says:

    Andrew.

    Mate.

    I think I’m gonna have to dumb it down a bit for you…

    1) On History

    You make a number of assertions:

    “As for «might is right», isn’t this the [principle] that was present for millennia?”

    Er, NO.

    “In fact, since the beginning of time, this was the only way things took place.”

    Sheesh. ‘History’ from a fascist perspective ain’t exactly a rocket science is it?

    “Why should we just take [the] ageless traditions of our ancestors and throw them out of the window?”

    “Our ancestors”? Homo sapiens’ been ’round for about… 100,000 years or so? But it’s only in the last 10,000 or so that modern civilzation — defined as consisting of permanent, as opposed to nomadic, forms of human community — was established.

    And you reckon that our history can be encapsulated in an incredibly daft statement like that? And that this is the basis of yr philosophy?

    If so, it would certainly help explain why you “do not see what makes Redwatch.info so horrible”.

    The reason being — yr an idiot.

    “Our traditions”?

    What are ‘our’ traditions, paleface? Fascism is a twentieth-century phenomenon, erected on the graves of the Italian, German and Spanish working classes. Its mythological account of its origins, function and meaning is just that… and I’m merely one prole among many who understands this fact, and draws the appropriate conclusions.

    “Why not go all the way then, start walking on our hands instead of our feet, and eating our own excrement? Why should we exchange the order of things that was present for countless millennia for some bs idea of ‘humanism’ that is only a couple of centuries old?”

    Indeed… Tho’ this doesn’t explain why, given that yr dead leader Hitler was a scat-muncher of some renown, you aren’t following his example… or are you? (Do you dream of yr very own Eva Braun bending over yr face to evacuate her bowels?)

    I expect better from a Hitler groupie!

    Seriously tho’, the only people attracted to a philosophy as contradictory, incoherent and just plain false as the one you embrace — and which you laughingly claim bestows some degree of legitimacy to what is a transparent attempt to threaten and intimidate antifa — are fucking simpletons who can barely understand how to tie their shoelaces, let alone understand ‘the order of things’.

    2) On Redwatch

    Well, it does appear that, at this stage, the Polish and US governments disagree.

    Further, while it’s not (yet) a crime to be anti-fascist, anti-racist, left-wing or homosexual, Redwatch declares these groups to be “traitors” to their own, quite special brand of political insanity, “traitors” who will “pay for their crimes”.

    On the other hand, Blood & Honour / C18 *have* been declared illegal, and it’s these two groups what are responsible for Redwatch.

    Finally:

    — not all antifa are pacifist (Hitler only escaped Mussolini’s richly deserved fate ‘cos he was a coward who preferred to deposit a bullet in his diseased brain first);
    — all political ideologies have their ‘militants’;
    — ‘nationalism’ is not synonymous with fascism;
    — if the media expresses little sympathy when boneheads come unstuck, is it any wonder? Especially when one considers the nature of their crimes. For example:

    Germany, October, 2003 : “Last week three German neo-Nazis were sentenced to prison terms of up to 15 years for one of the most horrific murders since 1990. The three young men, aged between 18 and 24, were convicted of torturing and kicking to death a 16-year-old white German schoolboy because he “looked like a Jew.” The boy died after his tormentors crushed his skull by jumping on his head with steel-tipped boots. His body was later dumped in a farm silage pit and lay undiscovered for almost a year.”

    Brave men these neo-Nazis.

    — information is not ‘neutral’; any more than science or technology is (although the reasons why will completely escape you, natch);
    — yr speculations on the future are as relevant as yr political justification for fascism is convincing, but still very much in keeping with fascism’s apocalyptic vision (and I don’t suppose you know who or what Chicken Little is do you, dumbkopf?);
    — there’s no such thing as ‘negro’ or ‘caucasoid’ blood;
    — I have no access to and exercise no control over the corporate/state media;
    — I’m an anarchist, not a liberal. And yr obviously too ill-informed (to put it mildly — sociopathic is prolly more accurate) to even *begin* to critique the political economy of the mass media;
    — yeah, yr right. I confess: I work for ZOG.

    Wanna buy a bridge?

    Big fat wet sloppy antifa kisses,

    @ndy.

  8. Andrew S. says:

    Hmph, arguing with the likes of you is even more futile than with Jews. At least they do not stoop down to personal insults and incoherent babble. Good luck with your anarchy, I truly hope one day you will experience anarchy firsthand. I have nothing more to say to you, farewell.

  9. @ndy says:

    Andrew,

    Useful argument requires logical elaboration, evidence, and good faith.

    You provide none of the above.

    If I’ve called you names — incoherent, authoritarian, stupid, ignorant and naive, to be exact — it’s because you’ve deserved it.

    Welcome to reality.

    “1. War as Righteous Rape–Revenge Against the Terrifying Mommy: Enemy nations in wars are often pictured as women, witches, even placental beasts. When they are seen as women, enemies are there to be pushed around, not eliminated, since even when raging against a bad mommy the hurt child knows he needs her desperately. This is why Hitler kept hoping to manipulate Mother England into being friendly. And it is why he didn’t destroy Paris when he marched into La Belle France. Nations to the west of Germany were mainly seen as mommies to be revenged against, to be “knocked off their pedestals” but not to be eliminated. “France…was not marked for subjugation but rather for a secondary role in the Nazi scheme [and] Hitler was always keen on reaching some settlement with the British…[therefore] the German army fighting in the west was given strict orders to conduct itself according to the rules of war.” The same group-fantasy of war as righteous rape was voiced by Germans in 1914, when they imagined that “only if we are able to hurt England badly will she really leave us unmolested, perhaps even become a ‘friend.'”

    2. War as Purification–Killing Off the Bad Boy Self: Enemy nations are also imagined as Bad Boys, disobedient, disgusting, violent, sexual–everything one was accused of as a child by one’s caretakers. If the Bad Boy self can be killed off entirely, “finally mommy will love me.” This is why Hitler vowed to wipe out the “bad” nations to the east and settle “good Germans” in their place. Poles, Russians, Jews, every nation east of Germany were projected with Bad Boy imagery: “Slavs were considered subhumans, to be either murdered…or starved to death.” Moscow, Hitler promised, would be leveled and turned into a reservoir, and Jews would be totally eliminated. In addition, WWII would be a suicidal mission for millions of Germans, thus killing off the “Bad Boy” part of themselves, the most vital, growing, independent self. Then the “good German” self that remained would be purified and would finally be loved by mommy, the Motherland.”

    — extract, ‘Chapter 6: War as Righteous Rape and Purification’, from ‘The Emotional Life of Nations’ by Lloyd deMause

    http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/eln06_war.html

    Good night, white pride.

  10. ma. says:

    more (austrian, this time) neonazi websites hiding at dreamhost:

    alpen-donau.info
    alinfodo.com (forum for above mentioned)
    gerd-honsik.net
    jugend-echo.net
    patrioten-prozess.net
    widerstand-sued.info
    trümmerfrauen.info

    (see http://www.stopptdierechten.at/2010/07/11/88-fragen-decken-die-strukturen-von-alpen-donauinfo-auf/ in german, try google translate, warning: it’s long)

    there’s also other neo-nazi websites from all across europe hosted there, haven’t got those at hand right now tho’

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